Ask HN: Another "Hacker News" with less AI and more human-focused hacking news?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48834961

92 55 14 days ago

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I am done with articles stating "I used this LLM to do that", or "Look, this agent did that in 2 minutes!". I want content more user-centric, less openai / anthropic, and more "human-in-the-loop" articles.

Any other website to recommend? I think lobste.rs was a good hacker news aggregator, but I don't know if it is still relevant today...

UPDATE:

Some recommendations, provided by the answers:

- https://hackaday.com/ - https://hcker.news/?ai=exclude - https://lobste.rs/

Related discussions

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48713041 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48567155

not_your_vase• 14 days ago

Maybe there could be an AI-generated HN mirror: the AI would monitor HN continuously, and filter out the AI related news. Fight fire with fire.

dullcrisp• 14 days ago

Ooh but then would the AI filter out discussion of itself?

coldpie2• 14 days ago

I thought about writing a Firefox extension that would just auto-click the Hide button for any story containing a keyword from a configurable list. Haven't gotten around to it.

coldpie2• 11 hours ago

I finally did this: https://github.com/ColdPie1/enough-ai-on-hn

cartucho1• 14 days ago

Sorry for the shameless plug, but I just did something similar for displaying only substacks: https://hnsubstacks.com/. I'm pretty sure something like this can be adapted to filtering out AI news, repo here: https://github.com/ariroffe/hnsubstacks/

throwaway_7678• 14 days ago

Try https://lobste.rs/, not completely without ai news but much better.

mixmastamyk• 14 days ago

I hoped so but there's a well-used "vibecoding" tag there and an admonishing/narrow focus that excludes many other interesting topics. A site needs some of that but they are strict to the point the place is kinda barren.

e.g. I recently submitted a page about new FOSS-oriented hardware and it was rejected as "business news - offtopic." Well, no wonder this place is a ghost town.

Cyberdog• 14 days ago

I like Lobsters' design and would love to switch over, but it's still invite-only… I guess it works for them but it feels elitist to an anti-social nerd like me.

uproarchat2• 14 days ago

I'll send you an invite, send me an email to the address in my bio.

jfim• 14 days ago

It's also kind of hard to know if you already know someone who could give you an invite, since I don't really know the online handles of people I know in meatspace. I've resigned myself to maybe someday getting something posted that gets picked up there and asking for an invite at that time.

The RSS feeds though are pretty neat, it's what I use to fetch articles for archiving so that I can get a curated set of things to read on the go.

inigyou2• 14 days ago

How do you get invited?

xqb64• 14 days ago

You can try hanging out on the Libera IRC network in their channel.

KenographerPrim4• 14 days ago

Good luck with that. If something is easily accessible, it will be accessed by easy people, and if it can flood a platform, it will. Easy people don't care. Easy people will never care.

PaulHoule4• 14 days ago

The answer to that is make it too hard for easy people.

KenographerPrim4• 14 days ago

You'd have to make LLM access harder, or make all platform harder to access, or both. And both will also penalize the not easy people. Like it always does.

KenographerPrim4• 14 days ago

I can see I've made the easy people angry ^_^ Go ahead and take those points off, it will not change my life the slightest.

willmeyers• 14 days ago

https://bubbles.town/ is fun.

theamk• 14 days ago

current front page: out of 6 posts viisble, 3 are about AI

weird_trousers6• 14 days ago

Hum, indeed! Thanks!

rdmuser• 14 days ago

I like a lot of things about bubbles but it seems to surface a lot of negative posts that are mainly just rants. A good chunk of articles in the daily/weekly briefings kind of feel like an indie blogging spin on the negative posts/articles you'd see a lot on microblogging sites.

It regularly surfaces some good stuff so it's working but it's also kind of depressing in ways that made me leave microblogging sites. There regularly is a lot of anti ai rants, USpol rants, the web is dead, defeatist/nihilistic posts etc in the weekly/daily digests. The entire culture section are these types of posts currently.

Makes me wonder if the use of microblogging accounts to log in is partially biasing the userbase towards that kind of writing? I don't have a solution for this though and limiting to fediverse accounts probably has some upsides too.

Ultimately bubbles still gets a big thumbs up from me but I'd love to see these kinds of posts deprioritized a bit. Outside maybe a few deeper more constructive ones that link out well I don't think they represent the best of indie blogging. Anyways if you made it this deep into my ramble I hope you have a nice week.

ben30• 14 days ago

https://hackaday.com/

weird_trousers6• 14 days ago

Oh nice, I didn't know this one. Thanks!

PaulHoule4• 14 days ago

I think the interesting thing is that if you look at /new, actually the community and moderation system is already holding back a fantastic volume of AI slop and “slop about AI”. It would be fair to say “HN has too much stuff about AI” and “the HN community is hostile/skeptical of AI”, in fact you hear both in the comments all the time.

weird_trousers6• 14 days ago

Thankfully we (as humans) don't have the same brain and the same interests :)

Some people are excited about all that stuff, and I can understand. But, personally, I am just getting bored of having an anthropic news per day, two from openai, and another one that claims "eeeh, developers are dead!".

Actually, Hackernews feels more anxious for me now, that's why I wanted to take a look elsewhere...

I remember the time when I did read "Ray-Tracing in One week-end", or discover some new cool websites and blogs like The Old New Thing, some interesting discussions about Android hacking and vulnerabilities, or hacking old idTech stuff from Fabien Sanglard.

I really miss that time when I was reading and learning at the same time.

Now, most of the articles published here do not have any fresh news to provide, and I don't learn anything. Except people think I will be obsolete in a few months. (Nice. /s)

PaulHoule4• 14 days ago

People have been saying this for the longest time, like I wrote this essay

https://ontology2.com/essays/HackerNewsForHackers/

funny thing is I don't even agree with it anymore, like most of the trends I didn't like have mainly blown over, and funny enough when I wrote the sequel

https://ontology2.com/essays/ClassifyingHackerNewsArticles/

articles I liked were "mostly about AI!"

Myself I find the AI thing exhausting because I was involved in three efforts to make a breakthrough in natural language understanding in the 2010s and even gave this talk which went from "trendy" to "cringe" to "prophetic" over the course of the last 10 years

https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/chatbots-in-2017-ithaca...

So when I see all these people standing on their tip toes and screaming "LOOK AT ME! I'M AN EARLY ADOPTER" I can't help think they're a bunch of laggards at best, NPCs at worst, as much as I know that's an unconstructive attitude. I'm looking for the "last mover advantage" as I use a good model now, and will use a better model in six months, but I don't rot my brain doomscrolling X to see what Andrej Karpathy wrote at 2:37am last night.

For years I've felt like HN is home because it embraces both technology and business, compare that to Progitt which is a bunch of communists [1] who will pounce on you if you admit that you are in it for the money, even just a little bit. Compared to something hardcore, HN is vulnerable to takeover from (for lack of a better term) posers.

It's what it is, I skip past it. If I really want to feel out-of-touch with current trends I go to LinkedIn which flooded by AI slop articles about "what AI all means" from people who don't know what they are talking about in the least. To their credit, if you smash "I'm not interested" consistently their recommender does eventually learn from that and you see less of it.

[1] ... y'all know I'm one of the leftists of HN!

dmitrygr• 14 days ago

Just wait a year. It will die down just like crypto and NFTs did. Hype goes in cycles.

EA-3167• 14 days ago

I agree with the hype argument, but the time-frame seems optimistic. We had to endure many years of crypto hype (nice way of saying lies and delusion really), and even now you have the shattered remnants pretending that everyone swoons they talk about "replacing fiat".

There will also be a next hype cycle, and they seem to be coming faster and faster, with similar people behind them. "Oh look, NVIDIA found a new way to turn the US economy into a paperclip factory, I can't wait to see what the brain trust thinks about this. Oh they dream of getting money as a result so they're all-in for the next half-decade... fabulous."

rpdillon• 14 days ago

The hype is a function of people trying things because no one knows quite where we're going to land. But this is two orders of magnitude more impactful then NFTs and crypto. There will always be grifters, but it's patently obvious AI is going to quietly (or maybe not-so-quietly) infiltrate everything.

One year? Not a chance.

OnionBlender2• 14 days ago

https://hcker.news has an optional AI filter. I don't know how accurate it is.

weird_trousers6• 14 days ago

Hm. The first link is about GPT-Live, from openai... I don't think it is accurate haha.

But thanks for the link, I did not know about it :)

OnionBlender2• 14 days ago

Did you enable to filter? Here is a link with AI excluded.

https://hcker.news/?ai=exclude

robotswantdata• 14 days ago

comp.lang.c

psvv• 14 days ago

You could try a browser extension that just filters all terms like LLM, AI, agent, agentic and removes those posts.

Or better yet, call back to a certain classic and replace those words with "butt" and keep them in.

Then your front page will simply be filled with things like:

"Show HN: Look what I did with my butt."

"This new butt harness will revolutionize butt coding."

weird_trousers6• 14 days ago

www.nobuttnews.net, reserved :)

KenographerPrim4• 14 days ago

I'm not into any of those butt stuff, but I'll definitely enjoy that butt idea. Wait, what were we talking about?

sublinear• 14 days ago

You might want to refine your question. The real problem is the author not having something interesting to say in their own voice. The lack of perspective and insight to share is disrespectful to the reader.

With this broader definition, you'll find there's a ton of other slop we've long since needed to clean up. It's one thing to at least share something mildly interesting, but there's still a lot of points farming and ragebait that has brought down the enjoyability of reading HN.

smokel• 14 days ago

There are very few sites such as Hacker News around. Looking for one that is similar in quality, but with a slightly different focus is going to be disappointing.

Perhaps it helps to consider why you'd exactly want this? You may be better off not visiting any such site, and instead focus on real human-in-the-loop activities with a group of local hackers.

CoastalCoder• 14 days ago

I don't do web stuff, but I wonder if one could easily create a browser extension that hides AI-centric submissions?

ChrisArchitect• 14 days ago

Related (with some suggestions within):

We need tech news sources which exclude AI

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48713041

Hacker News but for independent blogs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48567155

inigyou2• 14 days ago

maybe chaos.social mastodon server? You can follow it through relay.fedi.buzx if you can't actually join it.

miloignis• 14 days ago

Lobste.rs is very much still active, more than ever I think. They have a `vibecoding` tag that you can remove from your page, if you'd like.

runjake• 14 days ago

This doesn't really answer your questions, especially as AI is permeating the field, but:

https://engineeringblogs.xyz/

https://lobste.rs/

arvid-lind• 14 days ago

https://engineeringblogs.xyz/

This looks great! thanks for sharing, been looking for something like this for a while.

tyingq• 14 days ago

Might come off like a flippant joke, but it might give you what you're after.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210201005447/https://news.ycom...

summarybot• 14 days ago

You could always... vibecode your own :)

schmookeeg• 14 days ago

I've noticed myself and several colleagues have all taken to making little SaaS's for sport -- I'm not sure WHY we've all done that, but it's totally a thing.

Maybe if there was a monthly "Show us your (project/vibe/slop)" thread, it would provide a centralized spot for it all, then you could ignore it, once, at leisure, instead of the filters working overtime. :)

csa• 14 days ago

Try HN “classic” mode:

https://news.ycombinator.com/classic

Not completely free of AI, but it’s probably more of what you are looking for.

Cider9986• 14 days ago

I find it's very similar to regular frontpage.

syngrog66• 14 days ago

YC and related VC are all-in on AI. they're simply talking up their book. VC cash is fueling all of this bubble, directly or indirectly.

The pop and deflation may have already started...

PaiDxng• 14 days ago

The useful AI writing is usually about changed workflows, not “look what this agent did in 2 minutes”; I’d read more pieces that start from the user’s friction.

orbital-decay• 13 days ago

https://hcker.news/?ai=exclude

There's the "small web" filter too, if you want this.

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