Kimi Claw

https://www.kimi.com/bot

by pretext • 5 months ago

101 94 5 months ago

DalasNoin• 5 months ago

From what I understand this is a fully open-source bot that anyone can run with no restrictions. what a time to be alive, let's see what these bots will break first

embedding-shape• 5 months ago

From what I understand this is a fully open-source bot that anyone can run with no restrictions

How is that different OpenClaw/what-its-called-today? Isn't that also open-source and anyone can run without restrictions?

amelius• 5 months ago

OpenClown is what we call it nowadays.

lambda• 5 months ago

It looks to me like this is a hosted version of OpenClaw, so you don't need to figure out how to set it up yourself.

Kim_Bruning2• 5 months ago

Funny you should ask. One openclaw is now famous for escalating their PR to a somewhat nasty blog post. (and then apologizing)

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46987559

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009949

enraged_camel• 5 months ago

Twitter announcement has more info: https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2023029674549596301

thih9• 5 months ago

What is the pricing of Kimi.com?

Edit, self answer: https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing

Kim_Bruning2• 5 months ago

Super tempting.

Before you get one, do realize that Openclaws are a responsibility!

jrmg• 5 months ago

Am I not understanding something obvious, or does that not actually tell you what runtime you get for any of the plans?

8cvor6j844qw_d66• 5 months ago

The pricing looks great.

Significantly much better than ~ USD 50 per day on Anthropic API.

Any idea how good this model compares to Opus 4.6?

I tried Grok 4.1 Fast but the results are mild to put it kindly.

knollimar• 5 months ago

completely anecdote: vision seems > gemini 2.5 but less than 3.0

I haven't used it much for programming, but it feels like a model 6 months out of date for general use

thatcat• 5 months ago

I've been using kimi, though not kimiclaw, for research and it is good - comparable to phind, better than GLM 4.7 . Opus 4.6 wasn't as good for my particular domain of interest. I think the long term pricing asymptote for US vs china is essentially dependent on energy pricing and so china will continue to undercut US AI pricing.

quinncom2• 5 months ago

Did you scroll through the pricing options? The largest Kimi plan is $199/month. “Much better” depends on how much usage is included vs. Anthropic plans/API costs.

mekpro• 5 months ago

Opus is definitely in its own league. I use Kimi/Gemini-cli code regularly to save cost and from my experience, Kimi 2.5 is more solid than Gemini Flash 3.0 for coding. While Gemini Flash 3.0 is generally faster, it usually break the syntax and skip important prompt. Kimi 2.5 can write very good code and can plan very well.

kaycey20222• 5 months ago

Kimi 2.5 is a great model. Especially for writing, understanding many different text sources, reasoning etc. I haven't personally used it for coding.

Alifatisk2• 5 months ago

You can speak to Kimmmmy, their sales bot for discounts to as low as 1$ if you provide good reasons.

https://www.kimi.com/kimiplus/sale

xipho• 5 months ago

Anyone chime in on how they typically engage something like this? No way am I dropping my primary contact info into something so outwardly cryptic. Phone number? Hah! Do you scaffold a new identity/email (semi-automagically)?

tinyhouse• 5 months ago

This is great. AI is too revolutionary to be in control of three closed models / companies. The more the merrier.

(I know this is not a new model but it's not just about the model, it's about the entire ecosystem)

kilroy1233• 5 months ago

I use AI a LOT. OpenAI said I'm in the 1% of people using ChatGPT (bad thing imo). I use Claude and Codex all day long, building and shipping.

But just do not get the Clawbot / OpenClaw hype at all. What are people doing with this thing? I tried it out, and I found it a bit underwhelming.

What am I missing?

someguyiguess• 5 months ago

I feel the same way. I fail to see what is useful about it or what problem it solves.

8cvor6j844qw_d66• 5 months ago

It gets people to waste money on API costs.

checker6592• 5 months ago

I think they're people who have yet to come across virtual machines.

garciasn2• 5 months ago

I am not sure I understand this comment at all. I've been managing fleets of VMs for 15 years, both on-prem and cloud and, yet, I still use OpenClaw for funsies.

plagiarist• 5 months ago

All the use cases I have seen were seemed to be non-technical users excited to have it generate daily reports on competitors' websites.

8cvor6j844qw_d66• 5 months ago

Opus 4.6 seems to do fine for a "get an intern to write something to manager" style reports. I would say there's no need for OpenClaw in my opinion.

ssk422• 5 months ago

The biggest clue I’ve seen is someone using it to do cold calls on websites. Claw searches for shoddy-looking construction sites, makes a better version on Vercel, and sends out a pitch.

thisisit2• 5 months ago

Are we visiting the same sites/talking to same people? Because I heard about this “use case” couple of days ago.

wortelefant• 5 months ago

One use case I see for myself is to scan ccertain Obsidian folders for article drafts, add the cited literature to Zotero , even try to download them, and enhance the article draft with clear Zotero citation placehodlers while I am away. Also reminding me of stuff or doing research when I instruct it via telegram voice message is nice. Taking care of the boring stuff like updating a fitness tracker google spreadsheet, adding sources with my comments to Zotero and such. I hate data gardening.

yencabulator2• 5 months ago

This is something Claude Code can do just fine.

pigpop2• 5 months ago

The way I've heard people describe it, they seem to be impressed by being able to treat it as an assistant that they can tell to do something and it just figures out how to do it and delivers the result back to them. My guess is it's only really useful if you have a lot of services and data to integrate it into which it can then operate on at your command.

I should try it for myself but I don't have a lot of things to integrate it with so no idea if it'll be any improvement over just running claude in a directory of things I want to work on.

8cvor6j844qw_d66• 5 months ago

I find it useful for menial tasks and giving it instructions via chat apps.

Probably its greatest advantages are ease of setup and integration with chat applications.

ls612• 5 months ago

So it’s like what Apple promised with Siri but it actually works?

dist-epoch• 5 months ago

You are missing that instead of you prompting Claude/Codex you could have your OpenClaw manager prompt them.

Not saying it works perfectly, but it's where things are going.

cowpig2• 5 months ago

The companies running the algorithms that dictate the information you consume are the same companies that stand to economically benefit from users handing over agency over their decisions and all of their personal information to AI applications.

It's corporate propaganda

r0b052• 5 months ago

Are you saying that Anthropic might be the ones pushing this?

giancarlostoro• 5 months ago

Not sure but it feels like that setup (Claw) is more likely to get your files deleted or hacked. Ill still to Claude, out of curiosity which plans are you in with openai? I just do Claude Code Max (100 tier) and dont bother with any other AI.

siva72• 5 months ago

Those impressed by OpenClaw are non-technical people highly interested in trying to make sense out of Ai for their own profit. There is really no use case for OpenClaw if you got tech talent.

garciasn2• 5 months ago

I'm technical (e.g., I've been using Linux since 1995). I lead highly technical teams (Data Engineering, DevOps, and Data Science). I used to play ALL THE TIME with technical stuff; I loved to tinker. Over the years I fell out of love with this and just wanted things to work so I could do my job and relax outside of it.

OpenClaw is the first thing I've truly enjoyed tinkering with again. I can leverage both the technical side of things (working w/it to build automated grocery ordering for me on demand or setting up more home automation that's all integrated) as well as the non-technical (e.g., I love having it welcome me home when it detects I've not been at home for >1h or automatically adjust the thermostat up/down a few degrees based on the weather and my absence while knowing to move it back to the 'normal' when I'm returning).

To say that I don't have a use case for OpenClaw even though I can do all of the tech stuff is seriously demeaning and absurd.

Havoc3• 5 months ago

The main value seems to be connecting it directly to your coms - email, whatsapp etc.

Not something I'm keen on but could see myself using it for calendar / knowledgebase etc.

amitav14• 5 months ago

Personally, I use it to manage all of the stuff I don't want to. I give it my course content and it makes flashcards for me to review. I give it my tasks and it schedules them throughout the day. All of the menial stuff that is necessary but not productive. It also has a much better memory than I do on account of it's constant access to a filesystem and grep. It's like my personal assistant and tutor and guidance counsellor and sysadmin, all in one. I do think that a) you need to stick with it for a few days and b) use a good model. When I first started using it, it was just a worse version of ChatGPT, but after bringing in all of my data from ChatGPT it's a lot easier for it to search for stuff when it's confused. Now it can also do stuff like manage nginx or my sync serviceand whatnot, ~autonomously. Originally I was using locally running qwen models, but they were so timid as to be useless. Right now I'm using Kimi 2.5 as my model.

kilroy1233• 5 months ago

Oh wow, I never even thought about importing all my ChatGPT data.

I guess for me a lot of tasks on a daily to-do list aren't things that can be done on the computer... So no virtual thing will be much help.

gigatexal• 5 months ago

Could it be an office manager? I’ve a friend whose trying to start a business and while he’s technically very capable at long complex networking build outs and things he’s drowning in the paperwork of the office and revenues aren’t there yet enough to fund staff.

yencabulator2• 5 months ago

It also has a much better memory than I do on account of it's constant access to a filesystem and grep.

But that's just any current-day agentic thing, you don't need the insanity of Clawbot for that.

guld• 5 months ago

I totally get what you are feeling, I felt the same just 6 weeks ago.

It just did not click for you yet.

There is probably some key feature missing, that you deeply care about, but do not yet see it solved, or on the horizon of becoming solved by the application of a personal "Jarvis" yet.

Personal assistants fulfill different needs for everyone. I personally care a lot about having fun at coding again, that's what the OpenClaw craze made me feel for the first time in decades. I build my own OpenClaw assistant generator from scratch using a simple Markdown file because it is just so fun. Not so much using it for anything notably yet but starting to see their potential.

Just ponder what it is that you get out of using ChatGPT and imagine how it could be better, more personal to you. You may find some key feature missing from OpenClaw or have some completely orthogonal project idea that excites you.

maelito• 5 months ago

This comment looks like a company's PR :/

thisisit2• 5 months ago

Productivity - in all caps.

Most of the use cases I have found is people using it to automate the day to day stuff - as it comes with calendar, memory and heartbeat feature. You can do the same stuff using other tools but then you wouldn’t feel smart or the tool wouldn’t feel smart because it is not AI.

mvp• 5 months ago

For me :

1. Makes the input easy - use familiar tool of choice -> WhatsApp/Telegram/etc

2. Integrate with anything - for example gmail through gog

3. Save to memory without prompting

4. Has a Soul.md which you can customize.

5. Have a reason to use a VPS

All of these are possible with Claude Code etc, however it's the the whole package that makes it more useful.

jmacd2• 5 months ago

I went through the setup process for Openclaw. Near the end I felt like I had wrestled more with setting it up than I would have had to if I had just built it from the ground up. So I pointed Pi at Nanoclaw and asked it to review it and build me a minimal clone. It took a few minutes and I had the core of something that is easier to maintain (for me) than some unknown large and cumbersome system, or whatever Openclaw is.

To each their own.

Havoc3• 5 months ago

Yeah it does seem a little fragile. Still battling with working out why it pegs CPU at 100% permanently on a VPS I tried using. Literally just from installing the base

BloondAndDoom2• 5 months ago

Funny enough ooenclaw is based on Pi.

I’m kind of curious what you do with it. I feel like the real value is integrating it with everything but then even if it’s nanoclaw or simpler majority of the worthy things are on the unsafe side.

Would love to hear your experience as I’m planning to do the exactly same.

jmacd2• 5 months ago

The most interesting thing for me is that I built an extension for Pi that has it recognize when it does not know how to do something I am asking and it then attempts to make its own extension and/or skill to enable whatever that functionality is. Best example there is I just told it to make a todo list for me, and so it made a skill that uses a local file to track todos and follow up on them. I instructed it to make an LLM call to find the best suggested follow up timing to remind me.

So... the real value so far is I find it fun? It isn't the "life changing need to go make a tweet!!" level for me.

siva72• 5 months ago

Pi is great so it's sad to see that it only gained momentum because some trash tool like openclaw uses it.

8cvor6j844qw_d66• 5 months ago

One concern I have is API key management.

.env files or injecting secrets at startup via a secret manager still risks leaking keys.

I vaguely recall an implementation that substitutes secret placeholders with real secrets only during outgoing calls to approved domains which sounds better. However, you're still trusting an agent on your machine with command execution.

brysonreece• 5 months ago

I really don’t understand the widespread adoption of OpenClaw when a simple prompt injection in an email, chat message, or calendar event has the potential to leak the credentials/keys for every attached service.

pigpop2• 5 months ago

There are going to be some incredible blow ups due to this. From the sound of it people think they're safe by running it with local models and keeping it on their own network but seem to have zero concept of a malicious text prompt finding its way in and turning it into a double agent who figures out how to exfiltrate data.

fintechie• 5 months ago

This... OpenClaw is the best thing to happen to security and forensic firms since Windows XP. The amount of hacks, data/credential leaks, etc to come out of this will be of unfathomable proportions.

Havoc3• 5 months ago

Yeah still surprised how keen people are to connect it to their email etc.

nojito• 5 months ago

Building on OpenClaw is a mistake.

The real advantage is https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono

quinncom2• 5 months ago

OpenClaw is actually built on top of pi-mono (for its agent runtime, models, and tools):

https://docs.openclaw.ai/concepts/agent#pi-mono-integration

https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/blob/main/docs/pi.md

sergiotapia• 5 months ago

Has anyone used Kimi Claw? Is it good? Comparing to Manus for example?

r0b052• 5 months ago

I want to set this up but I'm concerned about the privacy and security risks. On the one hand, person data is flowing through cloud models. Then there's the risks of prompt injection and such.

I thought about running it locally but it gets expensive.

Those that have taken the plunge, how did you make peace with these trade offs?

dvfjsdhgfv4• 5 months ago

AFAICT there are two camps: (1) a sandboxed setup with minimal low-risk integrations only, (2) yolo and let's hope nothing bad happens.

killerstorm• 5 months ago

Hmm, you need $40/month plan just to try it out.

Not sure who's the target audience

0sdi• 5 months ago

Tempted to try, but the pricing is bit vague. The kimi bot itself was concerned if the minimum plan covers usage for more than a day, when asked.

lisamortler2• 5 months ago

Please show me how to use your app

lisamortler2• 5 months ago

Ease show me how to use the app

noumanbinsabir• 5 months ago

is there any way to make it safe? I mean since so many people are trying to make sense of it so I think in future they will come up with a solution really soon..

Alifatisk2• 5 months ago

It's impressive how many services the Moonshot team is pushing out. The agent swarm was already impressive enough. Kimi has become a whole ecosystem of tools.

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