Webcast: Windows 8 Launch (Live)

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/presskits/windows/liveevent.aspx

by vyrotek • 14 years ago

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walru2• 14 years ago

Where's Billy Mays?

Seriously though.. this only highlights how much better Apple's presentations are. At least they focus on keeping people on stage who know the ins and outs of the tech they are showing. This lady struggled with the term 1080p..

I'm beginning to warm up to Windows 8, though I still think usability is kind of a mess, and once you scale up to a 20"+ screen the launch pad looks 'confusing'.

That said, I'm very impressed with all the different devices they have ready at launch, but something tells me this is the part where they are missing the secret sauce that Apple posses. As a general consumer I'm simply befuddled at all the options - the paradox of choice - and I'm more likely to just go simplify things and go buy that Apple one instead.

moystard• 14 years ago

I don't know if we can still use the Apple keynotes as references as Tuesday one was really painful. It was slow, packed with marketing keywords, and Tim Cook was unable to ramp up the suspense through his speech...

PS: I am not watching the Microsoft one right now, so I have no idea if it can compare.

walru2• 14 years ago

I agree.. Tim Cook's presentation was borderline painful to listen to, but Phil Schiller was as toptastc as ever.

freehunter• 14 years ago

They sort of pushed a middle ground between Microsoft and Apple. They have their own tablet, highly engineered and well built. Might not be the best value for the money, but it's solid, looks nice, and isn't a bad option. Then for the Microsoft side of things, they have OEMs doing their own thing, pushing weird and obscure form factors and generally making everything they can to see what sticks.

Permit• 14 years ago

They really need to bring in some of their better product evangelists like Scott Hanselman for these kinds of major launches in my opinion. He's a guy who can speak well to an audience and is certainly technically capable enough to know the ins and outs of the product he's showing off.

JimmaDaRustla• 14 years ago

Who do I want running my presentations, socially awkward IT specialists, or a car salesman?

I'll deal with their lack of presentation skills.

dangrossman• 14 years ago

I'd like to pick up a Windows 8 (Pro, not RT) tablet right now. I wish Microsoft had more control over hardware. This webcast isn't going to end with "and you can buy it right now" since stores won't start selling stuff 'til tomorrow... and I'm not confident stores near me will have any tablets for sale tomorrow either. The nearest Microsoft Store is 4+ hours away.

mbrubeck• 14 years ago

x86 Windows 8 tablets from several manufacturers have been available for pre-order (e.g. on Amazon) for a couple of weeks now, for shipment tomorrow. (Of course, that doesn't help if you want to go into a store to play with different devices before buying one.)

PhrosTT• 14 years ago

I gotta say they really have a coherent message now.

simba-hiiipower• 14 years ago

absolutely; and i feel it’s because they’ve really pulled everything together nicely and built a very compelling ecosystem. people tend to define the merits of an ecosystem based largely on app counts, the real value (in my opinion) is in the range of services you get on a platform, and how much you can accomplish utilizing them..

connecting to my microsoft account today, i pretty much have access to services that cover nearly everything i need out of a computing device:

- email (outlook.com)

- messaging (skype)

- cloud storage (skydrive)

- productivity (office)

- collaboration (onenote)

- entertainment (xbox music / xbox video)

- gaming (xbox live)

- social media integration (facebook, twitter, linkedin, ... info pulled-in)

- roaming settings (windows, windows phone)

- roaming favourites (internet explorer)

that makes for a pretty compelling offering to me, and i honestly don’t see any of the others in the market coming close to this.

on the development side, while they’re not quite there yet, they also seem to be the closest in offering an ecosystem where a single application can be accessible on the widest variety of devices and form-factors; i'd say that’s pretty damn cool, and as a consumer i'm looking forward to the experiences that will bring..

kefs2• 14 years ago

..until you have to move internationally.

http://owened.co.nz/how-microsoft-might-sink-its-own-ecosyst...

sek2• 14 years ago

Ballmer recites hundreds of features, how long did he take to remember everything, how should a viewer?

Some stuff next year, some now... How should i know what are the important ones, he sounds kinda bored. The crazy Ballmer is 10 times better.

greyboy• 14 years ago

I'm not so sure he was recalling all those details from memory. You could see him looking at a prompt of some sort quite often (looking down/up, etc).

Of course, that might reinforce your position.

fumar3• 14 years ago

Watching Ballmer speak at the end was hard. I wish they simplified their keynotes a little bit.

Off-Topic Question...

I need to purchase my girlfriend a birthday gift. She "really" wants a tablet. I think a laptop would suit her needs the best. However, "must make g/f happy", is what my brain says. Do you guys think the Surface RT is a solid choice? I asked HN here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4697945

I ask, because I cant seem to pull the trigger on any tablet.

WayneDB2• 14 years ago

I think the general consensus is "do not buy" because there are no apps for it and it can't run Windows desktop apps. I would wait for the x86 version at the very least.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/23/microsoft-surface-rt-review...

http://gizmodo.com/5953866/microsoft-surface-rt-review-this-...

dpark3• 14 years ago

That's hardly the "general consensus".

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review/...

http://www.zdnet.com/hands-on-with-microsofts-surface-rt-can...

Disclosure: I'm pretty biased here, as a Microsoft employee.

kmfrk• 14 years ago

Depends on whether they worked with Instagram, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, Amazon (Kindle) to make some apps available on day one. If not, then probably not.

I don't like the idea of buying the first iteration of any hardware either, regardless of whether the manufacturer is Apple or Microsoft.

fumar3• 14 years ago

Right, investing in first gen. devices is not always the best idea. First hand experience, and yet, I do not learn my lesson.

maskedinvader2• 14 years ago

amazon just launched kindle for windows 8, so one of them is in, I am confident apps for the others should be out soon. Netflix , hulu apps look gorgeous on windows 8 pro desktop

dpark3• 14 years ago

> I think a laptop would suit her needs the best. However, "must make g/f happy", is what my brain says. Do you guys think the Surface RT is a solid choice?

You're in an awkward spot. She wants a tablet and you think she needs a laptop. What does she actually need the device for? What she needs will dictate what device would be best.

Does she just browse the web and send email? If so, get her a tablet. As a laptop replacement, I'd say go for a 10" tablet. (I'm recommending the Surface, of course.)

Alternatively, does she need to write/edit documents occasionally? Basically, does she need Word? If so, go for the Surface.

If she wants a traditional keyboard, either get her the Type Cover or a hybrid tablet.

If she needs other desktop software, either get her a hybrid like the ATIV Pro, or wait for Surface Pro.

sixothree• 14 years ago

Known unknowns vs. known knowns.

heyitsnick2• 14 years ago

My big question watching this webcast (and reading reviews of windows 8 online is), how does it all work when you step outside the ecosystem? I want to keep using chrome, not IE; dropbox not skydrive, gtalk not skype. VLC and a third-party media player, not the baked in tools.

Will these applications integrate well and can i switch off the defaults? For example, bookmarks on the homescreen, easily accessible play/pause controls etc. Or will i feel like i'm wrestling with the OS because i'm not using the Microsoft tools?

ConstantineXVI2• 14 years ago

Just like Windows always has, and then some. Chrome's already got a Metro-friendly build (though the UI is still identical to the desktop); and Dropbox et. al. can hook in via "Contracts" (similar to Android Intents) to other apps and Windows itself.

pat2man• 14 years ago

Its not quite identical, if you launch it via the desktop its the same but if you launch it via the "metro" launcher its more like a Chromebook.

runjake2• 14 years ago

Another thing to note: For some reason, Chrome uses a different user profile between the Metro and Desktop environments.

sek2• 14 years ago

I wonder if Apple and Microsoft will get that at some point, i bet on Google not because they are superior in every way but i can trust them not locking me out when i change the ecosystem.

Jamiecon2• 14 years ago

In fairness, if the parent was referring to online services you are absolutely correct - Google are streets ahead with their data liberation work. Microsoft and Apple are worryingly closed in that area.

mkenyon• 14 years ago

Since I have the preview on a VM, I figured I'd look into this for you. An installation of Chrome gives you a desktop and a metro version. Chrome doesn't give you the option of pinning a page to the Start screen. You can still use the Win8's Share feature to send a link via the People hub or Mail. The People hub lets me send via Facebook or Twitter. Mail works as you'd expect. Pages that were previously pinned with IE remain pinned after you change your default browser to Chrome, but you can only have one Metro browser, it seems. The pinned pages open in Desktop IE after that change.

I won't know until tomorrow (Friday) about Skype as that is when they release it for Windows 8. Other tools likely will require some effort on the part of the developers to support the native features. You're a good a judge as me as to whether open-source apps will make that effort.

Anything else I can look into for you?

heyitsnick2• 14 years ago

Thanks, I appreciate your and everyone else's responses; i think i'll take the plunge tomorrow.

shanselman• 14 years ago

I use DropBox, Chrome, GTalk, VLC and it all works fine so far.

Jamiecon2• 14 years ago

The huge number of hooks that Windows provides to third party developers is both its blessing and its curse. I highly recommend Raymond Chen's blog for a (often hilarious) description of this world.

AFAIK, Windows 8 takes interoperability further with new features like intents, while still offering the full Win32 API (on x86 builds).

Play / pause controls are a good example. Applications have been able to integrate via global hotkeys since.. Vista? Maybe XP. Either way, I am still able to control Spotify on my Win8 laptop using the hardware controls. As I would be able to with any application that chose to implement support.

Windows continues to be the only OS to provide this kind of deep out of the box support on a broad range of hardware from multiple suppliers.

Edit: grammar

xenen• 14 years ago

I'm really happy with what Microsoft has been doing lately, but this presentation is kind of failing. It's not really getting the audience that excited. This doesn't affect my opinion of the new products, but it's not helping Microsoft's competitive mission, and that makes me cringe a bit.

vyrotek• 14 years ago

He's absolutely nailing this Surface presentation right now. I think he's doing a great job selling it and I think the audience is finally warming up.

laacz• 14 years ago

Yes, Surface presentor was really good. That's what the presentation should look like.

neya• 14 years ago

Why isn't Techcrunch or Gizmodo streaming this on their websites like they did for Apple's event?

fumar3• 14 years ago

That is a good question. The Surface presentation was solid. Except for their pull quotes at the end..."The best screen ever..." ha

meaty• 14 years ago

It's not all about pixel count.

kyriakos• 14 years ago

Cause its not apple... they dont even try to hide their pro apple bias anymore. The worst though is silicon valley insider, they posted 5 anti win 8 articles already..

Webcast: Windows 8 Launch (Live)

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