Disco Elysium Explorer

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by kelseyfrog • 2 years ago

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adamnemecek• 2 years ago

If you haven’t played Disco Elysium, please do, there’s a reason people are so obsessed with it. It’s a novel really.

pesus• 2 years ago

Some of my all time favorite writing, regardless of medium.

jakevoytko• 2 years ago

I believe that this game is an artistic masterpiece.

On the first playthrough when I woke up with amnesia, I simply played a cop with amnesia in all of my responses. It was goofy, I annoyed Kim for fun, I beat the game, etc.

On the second playthrough, I chose all of the dialogue options that honestly explained how the character became an alcoholic. It changed the vibe of the whole game to somber, and I was fascinated that the relationship with Kim felt different. It also felt natural to explore all of the lore and sidequests of the game involving the pale in this mood.

And then I went on a completionist binge and found some great social commentary in the "high-net-worth individual" sections.

ajmurmann• 2 years ago

Very much agreed. When Harry met a certain creature I cried a little. The text and music were so moving.

pdpi2• 2 years ago

The writing is an exercise in how closely you can toe the line of turning into purple prose without ever crossing it. It's clearly written by somebody who likes words, for other people who like words.

pm3003• 2 years ago

I've seen people use it to learn colloquial French. I'll try othetr languages.

OnionBlender• 2 years ago

I don't know why I haven't played this yet. I absolutely loved Planescape: Torment and Fallout 1 & 2. I already own Disco Elysium. I've just never booted it up yet.

tapoxi• 2 years ago

It's such an incredible science fantasy universe, probably my favorite piece of fiction from the past decade.

The political history, nature of reality and shape of the world, even things about how computers ("radiocomputers") work are all fascinating to me. It's a shame what happened to the studio. There deserve to be more stories told in that universe.

armoredkitten• 2 years ago

I think, even though they are very different games, Disco Elysium has a lot of the same feel as Planescape: Torment. A lot of the same introspection of human nature, philosophy, moral judgment, and wry humour. If you like one, I think you'll like the other.

ahartmetz2• 2 years ago

I don't like anything about the game - writing, art style, characters, UX, voice acting, main storyline... so that opinion exists, too.

egeozcan• 2 years ago

I could play for 5 hours then gave up because similar reasons. In situations like this I usually think it should be an acquired taste, but in this case, I'm pretty much confident that I'd have never liked it. UX was the biggest pain point for me BTW.

esperent• 2 years ago

I definitely liked some things about the game. But what I didn't like is that it's incredibly depressing. There's not enough wry humor (even though it's good humor) to cover up the fact that it's a terribly sad story about a man who's alcoholism has destroyed his ability to comprehend reality. I made it about ten hours in, and deciding to stop there felt like opening a window onto a bright sunny day after being stuck in a menial office job.

Freak_NL• 2 years ago

You're not alone. From the description it should have been right up my alley — avid reader, including Philip K. Dick, can appreciate weird stuff — but something about the way the protagonist was interacting with other characters sat wrong with me. Perhaps it was the pretending everything was alright whilst suffering from (something induced) amnesia? I'm not sure what exactly irked me. I didn't feel like I wanted to dive into this world. The UX felt underwhelming too.

Perhaps I'll look into it again in a few years time, when I finally finish Factorio.

notahacker• 2 years ago

In the middle opinions also exist. I thought the worldbuilding and their spin on conversation mechanics was top tier and liked the art, but I also thought that it was oversold with the "open world... let you do almost anything" marketing when the reality is closer to "you're an alcoholic cop character with a defined backstory, who must solve a mystery with a defined ending by negotiating your way through defined checkpoints, but you can act differently towards the characters you need to pump for information and take on a couple of side quest options if you want"

vandahm• 2 years ago

I love the game, but I know a lot of people who don't, for a variety of reasons. They were very opinionated about what kind of game they were trying to make, so you'd expect it to resonate strongly with some people and not at all with others.

kelseyfrog• 2 years ago

Conversations 7, 8, 9, and 10 are a great place to start.

lelandfe• 2 years ago

495 for one of the rarest ones I've found in the game. Needs 9 Perception on Day 1 to do: https://youtu.be/w9aDmCuyU-4?t=10

A preposterously complex dialogue web for a weird throwaway conversation so few would ever come across. Love this game.

kevingadd• 2 years ago

Having played the game before and sincerely appreciated it (plowed through the whole 25 or so hours in 2 days), I had no idea the flowcharts for the conversations were quite so complex. It makes sense though, it's a very dynamic game.

braden-lk2• 2 years ago

This game is right up my alley but it’s so engrossing I always forget to save and lose hours of my progress.

frontalier• 2 years ago

it has auto-save?!

tuyiown• 2 years ago

yes

whazor• 2 years ago

Though there are dead ends, thus needing to save earlier to undo decisions.

braden-lk2• 2 years ago

Unless they've changed it recently, the auto-save seems to only bother firing off every few hours. All three attempts I've made at the game have ended with losing progress to the save system.

duskwuff2• 2 years ago

Another, differently formatted explorer for this data: https://fayde.co.uk/

geor9e• 2 years ago

Is something more supposed to show up? Am I supposed to figure out what to do? https://i.postimg.cc/3NWtz6HF/image.png

DanHulton• 2 years ago

Same thing happening here. I think it might not be all-browser friendly.

camtarn3• 2 years ago

It's not a great UI, especially on mobile.

Start by expanding the Search Dialogs section and type in a search term, then hit Search. Then click on one of the numeric results. Nothing will happen, but if you now expand the Build Conversation section, this will have filled a Conversation ID onto the appropriate box. Or you can input an arbitrary conversation ID into the Build Conversation / Conversation ID box (kelseyfrog posted some good ones).

Either way, if you now click Build Graph, you will get a conversation graph on the right. Red nodes are you speaking, or the voices in your head speaking to you. Yellow nodes are other people speaking (your non skill based voices, like Ancient Reptilian Brain, are also yellow). Blue and purple nodes are flow control (setting and reading variables, skill checks, jumping to other nodes). You can zoom into the graph and click the nodes - for red and yellow nodes, this displays the conversation text in the left sidebar, and lets you listen to the audio.

The graphs don't show actual skill check difficulties, just the results of them being read, and don't seem to show health/morale damage or items being gained/lost.

Quite a remarkable tool, despite the UI.

gazook892• 2 years ago

It doesn't seem to work on Firefox at all. Not sure if that is what you are bumping in to, but I had to switch to Chrome.

maxhasbeenused• 2 years ago

I entered some random stuff and a dialogue graph showed up for me in Firefox release 134.0 and some other firefox-based browser. Not sure how it works exactly though. You sure you tried the exact same input for Chrome and Firefox?

dlevine• 2 years ago

I played Disco Elysium when it came out and enjoyed it. In particular, I thought the Inland Empire skill was pretty awesome. I can't imagine what the game would be like without the ability to talk to inanimate objects.

lacker• 2 years ago

I took no Inland Empire but I did love Encyclopedia. Guess I'll have to give it another run....

Rodeoclash• 2 years ago

I loved the way that you'd pass encyclopedia checks in the game and it would give you totally irrelevant information. I think at one point a character tells you she's using a contact mic and the skill check informs you about a boxer called "Contact Mike".

alickz• 2 years ago

i miss my crazy necktie

red-iron-pine4• 2 years ago

who tells you to arrest people and take drugs. some friend that is.

ireflect• 2 years ago

Love that this is hosted on a bare IP address. Hack on!

wayvey• 2 years ago

Same, there's something mysterious and intriguing about navigating to bare IPs.

red-iron-pine4• 2 years ago

something that also managed to trip my corporate firewall

ChrisArchitect• 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Elysium

Disco Elysium is a 2019 role-playing video game developed and published by ZA/UM.

hiimshort• 2 years ago

For those unfamiliar with the game I would highly recommend it if you are interested in CRPG games with excellent writing. There is a lot of text in this game, but with the most recent version of the game most of it is voice acted. Many lines will stick with you later. It's rare to not be taken by something in the game, as expansive as it is.

For a more general description of the game: you are a detective, you must solve the case, and your fractured psyche will not let you do it alone.

PetitPrince2• 2 years ago

It's also an atypical videogame in that there's no significant combat mechanics (combat is as rare and exceptional as in real life), and the setting is far from your usual videogame setting (it feels like like alternate history mid-to-late 20th century Eastern block, but it's entirely fictional) and themes (ostensibly a detective game, but leans heavily into political commentary, morality, nostalgia). Despite the bleak setting, it's also super funny at times in both subtle and unsubtle ways.

voidUpdate• 2 years ago

Whats the C in CRPG? I know JRPG but not CRPG...

SXX• 2 years ago

If someone wonder why conversation graphs look this way in Disco Elysium is because it's build using middleware called Articy:draft. Graphs is how Articy editor designed so it's only natural to visalize it this way.

Since my team also made a story driven game using Articy that far less complex than Disco Elysium, but still complex. After we done it I can say for sure that whoever written Disco Elysium is trully insane, in a good way. While Articy is a good tool it's have own set of problems specifically awful performance on huge projects and I can't even imagine how developers of Disco Elysium managed to accompish it.

So I pretty sure Disco Elysium isn't just masterpiece of storytelling and writing, but also insane technical achievement of whoever managed to get it all working together using tools they had. Even on a project of much smaller scale getting it all debugged, loop-free and free of tons of logical errors is very hard. Knowing how much variables Disco Elysium have I truly believe developers are all geniuses.

PS: It's just everyone always wonder at how cool and complex modern rendering is or performance in game with millions of objects, but very few people understand how hard is to create story-driven game if there is more than 10 variables and not just int skill checks.

polytely3• 2 years ago

It's so impressive, similarly I also love the game Pentiment by Obsidian, some incredibly complex branching conversations in there. I recently watched a video where the game director Josh Sawyer (of fallout new vegas fame) walks through some conversations in Obsidians own dialog software.

https://youtu.be/u9WFmMY5oyY?si=ruJcmYey8hAiKWDR&t=640

Topfi2• 2 years ago

Can also wholeheartedly endorse Alpha Protocol, also by Obsidian. A must play for anyone who feels RPGs are more than a few skill trees and binary choices, the way AP manages to interweave a massive complex conversations tree with the way players handle the action sequences is frankly second to none.

To quote Ben Yahtzee Croshaws review[0] from back then:

“For once, this is a game that claims that "every action has consequences" and actually means a consequence more significant than a character maybe wearing a different hat. For example, although the hub-based mission system lets you do the operations in any order, during the one I chose to do last, an informant mentioned the previous operations I'd completed in conversation. "Fuck", I said, "this game's just showing off now." So I immediately became an aggressive ponce and slammed his head into a desk. After which, there was more security in my next mission because the informant went crying to his big brother or something.”

[0] https://youtu.be/K9ZkY-6M5qw?si=IWrCsJqo35p25n23

jfengel2• 2 years ago

Coincidentally, I just got Pentiment, and I've spent the entire weekend on it. I'm not really a gamer, and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. The art is gorgeous.

pbalau• 2 years ago

Not related, but by googling for Articy:draft I've found there is a new Syberia game.

lou1306• 2 years ago

It is a great achievement in story-driven games, but there are still glaring ways in which you can get softlocked, and hilarious ways of "winning" it in less than 1 hour.

I am pretty sure one could implement a mechanized, exhaustive checks for this kind of issues (well, at least the game-breaking soft locks) but no-one ever cared so far (:

renegat0x0• 2 years ago

Why the IP though? Is that link safe?

unkeen• 2 years ago

What would make it more secure if it were a domain that gets resolved to an IP address?

TomasEkeli• 2 years ago

giving it a domain-name and serving with https encryption on it would improve all kinds of security.

then again, it feels wonderfully apt that it is on some random ip

lz4005• 2 years ago

I wouldn't say I didn't like Disco Elysium, in fact I really enjoyed it in the beginning, when it was more about the case and less about politics. In theory it was really my thing: focus on story, mature, a sense of humour... Planescape: Torment is probably still my favorite game of all time and this looked up that alley.

Alas, once the game gets going I found Disco Elysium way too preachy and it completely lost me. Then I saw that it was scripted in part by the guys in el chapo trap house, which I find insufferable and it all made sense. I really really wish they had done away with all the political stuff, it could have been so good.

miunau• 2 years ago

You think Planescape: Torment is non-political? LOL

PetitPrince2• 2 years ago

Agreed: Planescape's faction represents ideologies, philosophies and world (... multiverse?)view and societal view that's political by nature. Their label are just not a 1:1 match with our world.

And in Disco Elysium (in least in my playthrough and my impression) everyone gets criticized equally at some point, even though the writers are nostalgic communist. But it doesn't feel to me like blatant propaganda.

lz4005• 2 years ago

It's "political" in quotes. In the sense that there are factions, and they represent mostly evergreen moral and civic ideas either real or fantasy (the religious fanatics, the militaristic autocrats, the death obsessed). Disconnecting them from reality, from the early 21st century political obsessions and framing allows for a much more long lasting approach and, frankly, a lot less preachy.

randomcarbloke3• 2 years ago

I agree, if it wasn't so unbearably and unashamedly explicit in its support of one particular ideology I'd have probably really enjoyed it.

npteljes4• 2 years ago

What ideology do you think it explicitly supports? I really liked the game, but I thought that it showed character stories, and not particularly an overarching ideology, and now I wonder if I also support something that I don't even know of.

Levitz• 2 years ago

Alas, once the game gets going I found Disco Elysium way too preachy and it completely lost me. Then I saw that it was scripted in part by the guys in el chapo trap house, which I find insufferable and it all made sense. I really really wish they had done away with all the political stuff, it could have been so good.

The union workers are depicted as useful idiots for corrupt scumbags at best and parasites at worst, communists as delusional losers, the moralintern as ultimately functional, yet brutally oppressive. The script does very clearly come from a left-wing side of things, but I feel it shows the most when it comes to leftist ideologies which are brutally criticized.

Funny enough, one of the most liked characters is the unfettered capitalist,which is depicted as far more humane than the general ideologue in the game.

I must assume that you disagree with some or all of this?

me_me_me2• 2 years ago

It feels to me that people who don't like it are allergic to political opinions. They want to exist in world where people have no opinions and disagreements,

Disco's world is an amazing melting pot of ideologies, history and clashes of those.

lz4005• 2 years ago

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, it's about the shoving it in your face. It's also done in fairly "modern" ways (modern = juvenile, twitter brain-rot, millennial, culture war-coded, whatever you want to call it).

derelicta• 2 years ago

I, for one, am a proponent of Mazovian socio-economics.

yoyohello134• 2 years ago

I love the flavor text for that one.

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Problem

People think Communism was some crazy idea that had its comeuppance 40 years ago. A fever that shook the world, never to return again. They were right. Until he woke up today – a spiritual corpse responsive only to the call of Commodore Red, prostitutes, and Kras Mazov. For him, Communism is still a thing. He will single-handedly raise the Commune of '02 from the oceanic trench where it has been resting, covered in ghosts and seaweed! He is the Big Communism Builder. Come, witness his attempt to rebuild Communism in the year '51!

Solution

0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself sad. He is starting to suspect Kras Mazov fucked him over personally with his socio-economic theory. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

harel• 2 years ago

I really wanted, and tried so hard to like this game. But it just didn't work for me. This visualisation though it very nice and I do wonder what was used to create the graph canvas UI?

npteljes4• 2 years ago

Very impressive game, one of my all-time favorites. Felt a bit personal because of own struggles with alcohol too. I'm happy that I bought it after they added the voice narration to it, the narrators do a fantastic job bringing the characters alive, and I loved that I could spend in-game points to specialize in insane skills like "being in tune with the city". I'm happy that people talk about the game from time to time, I hope it gets to as many folks as possible.

carterschonwald• 2 years ago

The story of how the game assets of the developers were stolen via a malicious investor is kinda crazy

firtoz• 2 years ago

Is it this one?

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1auprxl/whats...

yoyohello134• 2 years ago

The story of this games development would fit perfectly into this game.

koromak• 2 years ago

And then imagine how each separate converstation can affect another. What a tangled mess this would be to work on.

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