Hello Opera 12

http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/hello-opera-12

by Juha • 14 years ago

163 132 14 years ago

my.opera.com

nuttendorfer2• 14 years ago

They really improved the responsiveness, it feels as responsive as Chrome now.

Here's more if you are interested: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/06/14/twelve-under...

cmelbye• 14 years ago

I don't know why I would ever switch from Chrome or Safari to Opera. On a Mac, Opera still has text rendering issues (http://imgur.com/a/9bK1j), scrolling stutters, and there's a noticeable difference in page load speed (Opera is much slower than Chrome, at least on my computer).

Tomis029• 14 years ago

Features.

rrreese• 14 years ago

Care to expand this? A quick look at the linked page shows a bunch of under the hood improvements that will appeal to web developers, but as a user I remain ignorant of why people use Opera.

To be clear I used to use Opera back when they where the only browser with tabs, but that was close to a decade ago.

okamiueru• 14 years ago

For me, it is because it simply works straight out of the box, with all the features I use all the time.

For me, it is several of the following reasons:

* mouse gestures.

* the speed dial.

* the ease to create custom url-bar searches.

* thumbnail images of tabs (to check a potentially nsfw link at work).

* in page link or text search using ',' or '.'

* the ability to search for links in the sidebar, and select all of them (e.g. to copy to a wget script, etc.)

* the ease to customize the content block.

... and probably other stuff, which doesn't come to mind.

Also, and this is important: I'm not trying to convince you here. Just pointing out that some will say the exact thing on the switch from Opera to Chrome, Firefox or Safari, with good reasons of their own. Whatever floats your boat.

Also, mind you, I have firefox and chrome installed. Firefox I almost never use, and chrome is useful to see shiny WebGL stuff, which has a lot more support. Sometimes also to see new CSS-demos that are broken in Opera (mostly because of lazy developers who don't include the -o- extensions).

ernesth• 14 years ago

> Opera is much slower than Chrome, at least on my computer

It is the contrary on my computer: chrome is painfully slow, whereas firefox is OK and opera is faster. I guess opera is not the best for everyone.

jonpacker• 14 years ago

I can back that up, it's the same case for me.

aw3c2• 14 years ago

same here, I would also be very unhappy without opera's instant backward/forward navigation.

tintin• 14 years ago

This might also be a font-issue. Most of the time websites embed different font-types like eot, ttf, woff and svg. But some types lack font-hinting. It depends on the order in the CSS file which supported font browsers will use.

rplnt9• 14 years ago

The scrolling might be due to "smooth scroll" enabled: opera:config#UserPrefs|SmoothScrolling

It is (was some time ago at least) disabled by default in Chrome, Firefox and even on linux version of Opera.

antihero• 14 years ago

Text rendering looks horrific here on Linux, too!

colanderman• 14 years ago

Looks beautiful here on Linux. Just make sure to pick good fonts (Sans, Sans Serif, and Sans Mono are solid choices) and that qtconfig-qt4 looks OK.

JohannL4• 14 years ago

The bookmark management, hands down. Other browsers are for testing and sites that don't work well in Opera; while Opera is for organizing all of the things, especially with things like nicknames for bookmarks and created searches. It also has plenty of themes which actually change how much space stuff takes up... hmm, it's kinda like KDE versus Gnome, with Opera being KDE ^^ There may be apps for Gnome to make it more configurable, but that's just not the same...

ekianjo3• 14 years ago

So now Opera also features extensions ?

grotos• 14 years ago

Extensions were introduced in 11 version almost two years ago.

Now Opera is ditching widgets and unite to focus on extenions.

ekianjo3• 14 years ago

I just read that on their main page. Are they getting a lot of support from developpers for extensions ?

gpvos2• 14 years ago

This is a pity. I have a really nice and unobtrusive SVG Opera clock widget in the corner of my screen, which starts and runs completely separately from Opera. I understand that this is not possible anymore with extensions. I really hope I can keep it after upgrading.

halayli• 14 years ago

Anybody home?

alanh3• 14 years ago

My connection sucks. Have they fixed this? http://jsfiddle.net/alanhogan/twCXt/

rplnt9• 14 years ago

Not sure what you mean now? I'm still on older Opera (11.61) and the checkbox is resized.

alanh3• 14 years ago

But it does not look checked, right? One should be checked. Also, clicking it has no (visual) effect (though it will toggle the checked attribute in the DOM). It’s a truly terrible bug, and a strong argument that Opera should not use -webkit- properties like transform until it can actually handle them.

I reported it a couple months ago and have not received any follow-up at all.

TobbenTM• 14 years ago

Checkbox does get resized, but looks awful

demetris• 14 years ago

Opera 12 is the first third-party web browser for Windows to offer an official 64-bit version. (Neither Firefox nor Chrome have official 64-bit versions for Windows. And I think Safari for Windows doesn’t have one either.)

Does this translate to any substantial improvements in speed? Does anyone here know of any benchmarks?

gcp2• 14 years ago

Very unlikely. 64-bit is mostly an advantage if you have to use a lot of memory or are doing processing on actual 64-bit integers.

For the kind of software like Opera (and Firefox and Chrome), the additional registers in 64-bit mode help a little, but that tends to be offset by most pointers now being 64-bits and the L1/L2 caches hence being less effective.

Egregore• 14 years ago

On my computer most memory hungry apps are browsers.

And by the way I use opera to open a lot of tabs and it handles those very well (compared with other browsers)

mkup• 14 years ago

There are more registers in x64, so there may be some speed gain. Or a loss of speed due to larger pointer size and more frequent cache misses.

gouranga• 14 years ago

There is an official 64-bit Firefox nightly built for Windows.

I tried it and to be honest I can't tell the difference.

Also bear in mind that it needs 64-bit Flash and Java plugins which are notoriously problematic.

Osiris5• 14 years ago

Opera 12 uses a separate process for plugins like Flash and I believe it can actually use the 32-bit Flash within the external process while still displaying the content within the 64-bit browser.

luriel• 14 years ago

Java and Flash are notoriously problematic (not to mention insecure) on 32-bits too.

rieter• 14 years ago

64-bit is not really useful for browsers with multi-process architecture like Chrome. It is very unlikely that a single tab will need 64-bit address space.

forgotusername• 14 years ago

64 bit address space significantly improves the effectiveness of ASLR, 64 bit tagged pointers can store way more data (7 byte strings, dunno if anyone actually does that, though).

bzbarsky• 14 years ago

Except once you have enought tabs Chrome starts putting multiple tabs in a single process. The cutoff seems to be somewhere in the low double digits. And at that point, you can in fact start running out of address space (not to be confused with running out of memory) without too much trouble, especially because system libraries on 64-bit OSes have a tendency to be mmap-happy, since they think they have lots of address space to work with.

Freaky2• 14 years ago

I generally find Chrome likes to start falling over around the 3.5GB mark (as measured by chrome://memory) - larger images stop loading, pages stop rendering properly, and eventually it can end up crashing. Address space fragmentation I'm guessing.

This isn't helped much by Chrome's aggregate memory use being about 10x higher than other browsers. Takes a good 2-300 tabs in Opera to break 4GB, takes more like 20-30 in Chrome.

ricksta• 14 years ago

Kinda off topic, but Opera Mini and Opera Mobile for Android is vastly superior in terms of smoothness compare to all other available browsers. It is very noticeable especially if the page is heavy. A good test is to load this page http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/internals/howbrowsers... on your Android in different browser and test the responsiveness.

Osiris5• 14 years ago

I use Opera Mobile exclusively on Android. Pages load faster and zooming with fit text to screen works really well.

My one frustration is that when launching a web page from another app it always opens a new tab so I end up with 10 tabs open and have to close them all every so often.

pbhjpbhj• 14 years ago

I've been using Opera Mobile for a while now. IMO it does tabs best for tablet browsing - however I've had to switch to Maxthon as Opera was just too unstable on my android device.

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

Why don't they enable WebGL by default?

I don't see why more people don't realize, WebGL is a prime Microsoft threat and the key to moving away from the MS Windows monopoly. That's why Microsoft has done so much work to try to scare people away from WebGL (by sponsoring 'security research' and creating FUD content on Wikipedia (seriously, look at the history of that article, the person who created the whole 'security' section on WebGL has an ip that originates right next to Microsoft headquarters, and the 'security research' is done by a Microsoft shop)).

What the Opera, Webkit/Safari/Chrome, Mozilla teams should focus on is getting mouse capture and WebGL uniformly supported and turned on across browsers and one or two well-hyped and playable 3d first person games. Any industry player who has money and wants to oppose Microsoft should put money behind big WebGL game releases and hype for such.

You get that working across browsers and push that and things like Google Docs, EditGrid, ethercalc, Zoho Creator, LibreOffice etc. and you will see WebGL games starting to take down PC games sales and Office alternatives hurting Windows/Office sales.

Anyway, please give the people in charge of those programs and funds a link to this explanation if you know anyone like that.

rplnt9• 14 years ago

Haven't tried it myself, but from what I've read on reddit (r/operabrowser) it was really buggy in beta builds.

sgift2• 14 years ago

To give an example: On my home pc I have the snapshots of Opera running with hardware acceleration and WebGL enabled: No problems. A few minutes ago I've installed Opera 12 on my work pc and tried the same. Afterwards I couldn't start Opera anymore and had to reset the options in the config file (AppData\Roaming\Opera\Opera\operaprefs.ini if anyone needs to do the same; EnableWebGL and HardwareAcceleration are the keys). So: Yeah, it's still a bit buggy at the moment (probably hardware compability issues). I've already send my bug report, hope they fix it soon.

AshleysBrain• 14 years ago

This is a real shame, especially for HTML5 games. What's even worse is hardware acceleration on the 2D canvas appears to be disabled by default too, so HTML5 games in Opera 12 on a powerful desktop will run slower than an iPad or iPhone, because they have hardware acceleration. Looks like Opera 12 is a no-go for gaming.

dnissley• 14 years ago

Is it just FUD though? John Carmack seems to agree with microsoft about the security concerns over exposing graphics drivers to the web.

https://twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack/status/8173219094948659...

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

So what if one person agrees with MS, they are a marketing machine.

How many years does John Carmack have invested in C++ programming for Windows games?

daeken3• 14 years ago

For background, I write a lot of WebGL demos, I work for Mozilla on gfx optimizations (WebGL and otherwise) for the Boot2Gecko project. I also worked at Matasano Security previously, doing WebGL security research. As such, I tend to think that I'm pretty unbiased in this regard -- or perhaps biased towards WebGL, since I love it and want to see it everywhere. So with all that said, your characterization of MS's security claims as "FUD" are complete and utter bullshit. WebGL has a substantial attack surface in the browser (large API dealing with many issues from cross-origin restrictions to handling buffer locking and texture sharing, shader verification and translation, not to mention all the code required to actually make this stuff fast, which is what I work on), and it's only the tip of the iceberg that is the 3d stack.

Below the browser you have the userland driver components, which do things like further shader verification and initial stages of the compilation, validating index buffers, and simplifying the command stream. Below that you have the kernel components, which largely trust the userspace to have done their job properly, then do things like compile shaders for the specific hardware and put things into the proper form to send it off to the GPU, as well as handling synchronization and locking and all that. Then below that, you have a massively complex piece of hardware that under most circumstances is fully able to touch every single bit of your system memory (thanks, DMA), and that doesn't care one bit about security; it assumes that everything coming from the kernel is 100% safe and intentional. If you tell it to copy memory from point A to B, it will do it without complaining. Meaning if you wanted to, say, write over kernel memory from a buffer in the browser...

So let's look at what needs to happen to get ring0 (kernel mode) access from WebGL: 1) get your payload through/around validation in the browser, using available APIs, 2) get through/around userland validation OR attack the optimization/compilation steps that occur at that layer, 3) potentially attack optimization/compilation steps that happen in the kernel component -- optional, since this layer may not be your target, 4) GPU does your work for you.

At most, you're talking 3 layers to compromise. Compare to real-world vulnerabilities against other parts of the browser (see also: Pinkie Pie) where you're involving dozens of steps, and suddenly this doesn't look too difficult. The tough part is that it requires a significant amount of domain specific knowledge, but I'm certainly not the only one with it.

WebGL, as awesome as it is, is a security risk. It's one caused primarily by the fact that GPU vendors have never had to care about security along these lines before. It will be solved eventually, but it's damn sure not solved now.

excuse-me3• 14 years ago

Now I AM scared ....

- off to hide under the bed!

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

How many examples of this type of "just 3 layers" compromise have we actually ever seen being used as an "attack"? How many is that compared to the number of known attacks against browsers using non WebGL-related technologies?

Did you actually see the specific 'security' concerns that that MS shop put out? Part of it was a laughable demo of an 'attack' that actually did not compromise anything, and looked like a mock-up that would be used in a movie. Whether there are potential security concerns or not, the actual 'concerns' that MS and that company raised were definitely FUD.

justincormack• 14 years ago

If the kernel "largely trusts the userspace" then the security model is wrong.

kprobst• 14 years ago

Conspiracy theories aside, WebGL is more a threat to the Adobe Flash monopoly than anything else.

> you will see WebGL games starting to take down PC games sales

More like Angry Birds and whatnot... we're a long way from running something like Skyrim or Call of Duty on a browser.

ekianjo3• 14 years ago

Still no ARM version available, by the way ? Or has this changed?

arkitaip• 14 years ago

A word of warning: this update erased the persistent storage data for all sites. So if you're using plugins or if a particular site is using persistent storage, this will cause issues.

zxzwa2• 14 years ago

I'm a opera user and I was excited to see this news! So I've downloaded the 12th version and went on to test it in the shining page. But it says that my browser is not supported? http://www.shinydemos.com/touch-tracker/ -- Your browser doesn’t support all required features: Touch Events.

Anyone has the same issue?

sgift2• 14 years ago

Same issue here, but I have the desktop version and touch events sounds like something which will only work on a tablet/smartphone.

Edit: I've checked the w3 page - it is indeed for touch-enabled devices. Did you test it on a tablet/smartphone?

Tomis029• 14 years ago

If I'm not mistaken, "touch events" is a feature for tablets or mobiles. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/Touch_events It will probably not be included soon for the desktop version of Opera.

zxzwa2• 14 years ago

You're all right. Damn me for this simple mistake!

dsirijus• 14 years ago

I extensively test my webs manually on basically all relevant browsers, up to few old versions, and on different OS' and devices.

My conclusion is that Chrome on Windows 7 is by far the most 'snappy' and Firefox on any OS most 'dev friendly' (even though Chrome is coming along that way very nicely).

That being said, Opera on mobile is very fine, but I still prefer using whatever stock browser is on particular device. Everything else is a little buggy.

What I found lacking in any of the browsers is the developer friendliness on mobile devices. Anyone has any recommendations on that?

maggit2• 14 years ago

Unfortunately, I cannot claim that I have tried it, but I know Opera supports remote debugging. You get to run Dragonfly on your desktop and debug whatever's running in Opera Mobile on your device.

There seems to be documentation here: http://www.opera.com/dragonfly/documentation/remote/

Spittie• 14 years ago

I really like Opera. I've used it for months, but every time i just come back to Firefox. One big problem (for me) it's their release cycle. I know that many people hate the fast releases of Firefox and Chrome, but this way i get new features sooner than Opera. Another problem are addons. I'm an heavy Scriptish/Stylish user, and there aren't equivalents for those in Opera. I know that i can enable the userscript folder and copy scripts here, but I'm honestly too lazy to do it, and loading CSS through javascript is just not fast enough. Then there are the nitpicks. For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab. Or, on Firefox/Chrome middle-clicking on the back button open the previous page in a new tab. On Opera this just doesn't work (at least, until Opera 11.64 - I haven't tried Opera 12 yet). And Opera is not opensource. While it's not a so big deal for me, i prefer to use opensource applications when i can.

There are also features that i would love to see on Firefox. Tab Stacking is awesome, way better than Panorama. I really like also how Opera put the tab bar on the left, I find it better than Tree Style Tab.

I'll try the new version later, but i doubt that the new features will be worth a switch for me.

Tomis029• 14 years ago

> For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab.

In Opera Ctrl+Click opens a new tab, Ctrl+Shift+Click opens a new tab in the background. It's not a new feature. Learn to play your class. ;)

adamtulinius• 14 years ago

Nice trick. I use Opera as well, and didn't know about this.

However, i can't think of any other software where modifier keys makes a difference in context-menus, so i really wouldn't blame people for not knowing.

maggit2• 14 years ago

In the "Advanced" tab in Opera's preferences it is possible to uncheck "Reuse current tab". In my opinion it would be a much better default to have this unchecked.

With this configuration change "Right click->Search" will open a new tab.

rplnt9• 14 years ago

Also Ctrl+number to open Speed Dial entries becomes usable.

anonymfus• 14 years ago

>For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab.

Uncheck Preferences-Advanced-Tabs-"Reuse current tab".

>on Firefox/Chrome middle-clicking on the back button open the previous page in a new tab.

You can clone tab, so it's possible to implement clone tab and go back macros with custom button like opera:/button/Duplicate%20page,,,%22Back%20in%20background%22,Rewind%20&%20Back

ishansharma6• 14 years ago

Opera is still not getting some basic features right and that is costing them users.

I remember asking for a feature in forums in days of Opera 11.00. The feature was something that every browser has: "Remembering contents of a text field." For example, when I enter my email address once in a website and then come back another day and write first letter of my email id, it is displayed in a dropdown. But Opera outright refused to even consider.

Now, they lack a good full screen mode and drag and drop support in GMail, two real deal breakers for me. I tried Opera 12 for less than 12 min and sent it back to dark corners of my HD!

Goodbye Opera 12.

Tomis029• 14 years ago

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/autocomplete/

ishansharma6• 14 years ago

Thanks for the link. Had forgotten about it!

hoppipolla2• 14 years ago

FWIW we have the "wand" feature which will fill in, and submit, a form for you with previously used values (it's the key icon on the toolbar or ctrl+enter).

I know this is not quite the same implementation that other browsers have.

ishansharma6• 14 years ago

Yes, I have tried that. It is fine but I like the Chrome/FF implementation.

sim0n• 14 years ago

Your "wand" feature also adds a terrifically ugly yellow border to remembered inputs which developers have no way to prevent (like you can with WebKit by using outline: 0). I'm all for a constant UI to create a good UX but not when it can make a site look bad.

MatthewPhillips• 14 years ago

This very blog post announces drag and drop support.

ishansharma6• 14 years ago

That is HTML5 drag and drop. I read it, got excited, installed Opera, found GMail drag and drop was not working, got unexcited, switched to Chrome!

JohannL4• 14 years ago

Opera has an inbuilt IMAP client... which I admittedly never use, but between that and Thunderbird, why would you even want to use webmail? Of course it should still work, even though it's silly, but you also "should" not even notice that it doesn't, is what I'm saying. Certainly if you imply your time is so precious, heh.

And what is wrong with F11?

ishansharma6• 14 years ago

Yes, the mail client is great. I have used that. Problem is more with my college where IMAP, POP ports are closed. So, I can access mail only via web.

And GMail interface has many other features that I prefer.

ishansharma6• 14 years ago

F11: As far as I know, there's no way to make address/tab bar visible in full screen mode.

I prefer the way Safari does it. When I take cursor to top, address and tab bar are shown!

Osiris5• 14 years ago

I absolutely love the mail client in Opera. In fact, it's the primary reason I still use Opera as my main browser. At work I use Chrome because we use our own webmail client (same one we sell to customers).

I have six email accounts setup in my Opera, all using IMAP. There's a unified INBOX so I can check all my messages, but still be able to review each INBOX separately. Email search is BLAZING fast, the fastest search I have ever used, though it lacks advanced search options like searching only in the subject.

The contacts view is also awesome. Click on a contact and it'll show all the mail to and from that person, instantly. No searching.

The best part is that I never have to "check" my email. Opera notifies me as soon as I get an email (thanks to IMAP) and I keep open the sidebar on the right so I can always see the UNREAD counter to know if I have new messages or not.

Since reading email and browsing the web are things I do all the time, it really makes a lot of sense to me to have those two activities live in the same window and use the same tab navigation system. I love it.

hmans• 14 years ago

Hello.

nosse• 14 years ago

My reaction exactly. Just installed it like always before and no fuss about anything.

rolleiflex• 14 years ago

I just wish they'd forgo the use of that cramped sans-serif header typeface. It looks like somebody just outlined and compressed it horizontally in Illustrator—awful.

philippK• 14 years ago

I'm disappointed that they still don't seem to support the file API in JS :/

siodine2• 14 years ago

For me, the most important missing feature is tab lazy loading -- without that my usecase is impossible (hundreds of tabs).

rplnt9• 14 years ago

I only use about hundred tabs (not hundreds) but I find Opera best in this regard - mostly because memory usage, stability (as opposed to chrome) and capability of the UI to handle that many tabs while being usable. The thing is, I don't turn the browser off. Maybe once a month to install Windows updates.

There's an ugly workaround though - start Opera without internet connection and then reload tabs as needed.

siodine2• 14 years ago

FF has lazy loading. Options->General->Don't load tabs until selected.

simonmales• 14 years ago

No one has mentioned that Opera 12 is the first GA browser (I believe) to support WebRTC. Basically you don't need to flash anymore to access devices such as webcams and microphones.

I built a really simple site to see how this all works. It will fall back to flash if you don't have WebRTC support which includes Google Chrome Canary and now Opera 12.

http://gotcaption.com/p/39

kevingadd• 14 years ago

From testing out my demos in Opera Next over the past few months, I've been really impressed with the quality of their JS runtime and the UI. Unfortunately, their hardware-accelerated canvas support doesn't really keep up and their WebGL is outright broken - it looks like they went so far as to disable both by default in 12, a disappointment to be sure - and they still have serious issues with HTML5 audio (to the point of causing hangs/crashes).

Given that my only real exposure to Opera is from trying to ensure my stuff runs well in it, it's easy to get the impression that everything about Opera is broken. I wish they had a public bug tracker so it was easier to tell which things are known issues, which things have known workarounds, and which things I should file bugs about.

In particular, the audio issues are a point of frustration: At present, if you test the latest builds of Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera and Internet Explorer, Firefox is the only one that actually has low-latency, functioning support for <audio> that doesn't crash or hang. It's ridiculous. Chrome at least has a custom webkit-only API you can use to get working audio, but the rest of the browsers are just flat out broken. And in each browser's case, they've had multiple versions to fix basic issues (limits on how many sounds you can load in a single page context; broken events and APIs; absurdly long playback delays, etc). Oh, and Firefox still doesn't support the loop attribute. :|

kombine2• 14 years ago

This is just an indicator that we need a proper native development environment. Devs who embrace new web technologies like WebGL, <audio> or <video> forget that those are just Javascript bindings to the technologies developed in C/C++. Can we please have native code instead, so developer controls the underlying system without having to rely on the wits of browser makers? Google Native Client is a step in the right direction.

UnFleshedOne• 14 years ago

What, wasn't the whole point of all web technologies to pile abstraction layers on top of abstraction layers so you never have to think about pointers ever again? :)

Native platforms and architectures were replaced by browser platforms, trading power and control for deployment headaches. And now you want to write for multiple browsers, multiple OSes and multiple architectures all at the same time while still battling heaps of restrictions any decent OS/antivirus would impose on binary blobs that can be run by a browser directly?

(disclaimer: I'm obviously biased towards native development :))

azakai2• 14 years ago

> This is just an indicator that we need a proper native development environment. Devs who embrace new web technologies like WebGL, <audio> or <video> forget that those are just Javascript bindings to the technologies developed in C/C++.

That is technically true, but what is the point? The bindings can make things better, or they can make things worse. WebGL, for example, covers over a lot of issues with OpenGL (security and convenience), making the web version very nice to use.

> Can we please have native code instead, so developer controls the underlying system without having to rely on the wits of browser makers? Google Native Client is a step in the right direction.

Native code is by definition non-portable.

NaCl in a partial attempt at portability adds bindings of its own to native APIs. Ask people developing for it, like any environment it has bugs and issues.

There is no simple solution here.

Osiris5• 14 years ago

> I wish they had a public bug tracker so it was easier to tell which things are known issues, which things have known workarounds, and which things I should file bugs about.

While it's not possible to track the status of a bug, you can submit them:

https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/

I've submitted quite a few over the years. I've even gotten emails back asking for more information. For example, I submitted a report about an issue with their hardware acceleration detecting the wrong GPU in a multi-GPU system, which they fixed.

gcb• 14 years ago

The scroll/codex analogy is cute but doesn't hold up.

Sure hope the page based css goes to the limbo.

kidproquo• 14 years ago

Anyone else having issues with iGoogle? I had it working in 11.6 by identifying as IE, since it would just show a blank page when identifying as Opera/Firefox.

Now, with 12.0, identifying as Opera/Firefox still shows a blank page and identifying as IE just shows the widget headers and no feeds.

kakaroto_BR• 14 years ago

I cant use Opera in home because the lack of a xmarks addon to sync my bookmarks with my firefox at work, it's a pity.

rplnt9• 14 years ago

Use Opera at work as well :)

samstokes• 14 years ago

One reason this is a big deal: Opera now supports CORS [1]. Until now, it was the only significant browser that didn't. (Even IE did, albeit - of course - in its own special way.)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-origin_resource_sharing - secure cross-domain AJAX without hacks like JSONP, so you can do POST requests, set headers, etc.

Hello Opera 12

Related Stories