Comma 3X

https://www.comma.ai/

by Yenrabbit • 3 years ago

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EmmEff• 3 years ago

Tres commas?

wayvey• 3 years ago

Nice reference, I assume it's about the show Sillicon Valley? Was it a branded bottle of Tequila? Actually looks like some company is now actually selling it

scrlk• 3 years ago

Tres Comas was the tequila company owned by Russ Hanneman in the show. For those who have not watched Silicon Valley, Russ Hanneman was based off Mark Cuban.

Reubend• 3 years ago

It's a very interesting product, but I'm not brave enough to install this in my own car.

ehnto3• 3 years ago

I can't believe you're allowed to. Are these illegal? Some states must have almost schizophrenic laws. Tires an inch too wide? Get that deathtrap off the road. Bleeding edge third party sensor and control package for autonomous driving? What could go wrong!

happytiger3• 3 years ago

So the same projects that come from manufacturers are ok? But third party systems built by our best and brightest are bad?

Or is all driving augmentation bad? Because honestly, based on the data, humans are frequently worse drivers than the absolute worst of these systems.

threeseed2• 3 years ago

There really needs to be more regulation with products like this.

As a start transparent disclosure of their safety record, a restriction on shipping the product to countries where such devices are not legal, clarity on how the device behaves under adverse conditions e.g. rain/snow etc.

Comma selling this product like it's some car accessory looks pretty reckless to me.

latchkey2• 3 years ago

I'm pretty impressed we haven't heard about more crashes...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Comma_ai/comments/u9o1mm/my_first_a...

tjpnz• 3 years ago

The kind of person who would buy this would know more about its limitations than your average Tesla owner.

atemerev• 3 years ago

You are already responsible for whatever your car is doing, regardless of how it is driven. What additional regulation we need?

fyolnish• 3 years ago

Regulation making you responsible for reckless behavior before you cause an accident.

threeseed2• 3 years ago

I described some of the regulation we need.

People buying these devices are simply ill-informed about the risks that they pose to other drivers and pedestrians because companies like Comma deliberately withhold the information.

And given innocent lives are at stake the onus should be on being cautious about technologies like these until they are proven.

chrisjj3• 3 years ago

If responsibility substituted for regulation, there'd be no car regulation at all, would there?

Roark66• 3 years ago

Come on, in the end it's the driver that's responsible. It is in fact a "car accessory".

Calling for "more regulation" will blow out small companies like comma ai out of the market. It's a miracle one can get stuff like this for older cars. If big auto manufacturers had their way you couldn't change wiper blades without buying a new car. As someone driving an 18 year old car I hope there will be more companies like comma ai. (of course my car is too old to use with comma).

mellosouls• 3 years ago

Come on, in the end it's the driver that's responsible

It's not always the driver who's the sole victim of driver irresponsibility.

Protecting those others are what regulations and laws are for.

wiseowise4• 3 years ago

Come on, in the end it's the driver that's responsible. It is in fact a "car accessory".

I’m sure victim (or their relatives in case of their death) will be relieved.

Calling for "more regulation" will blow out small companies like comma ai out of the market.

Will someone think of my cool tech startapperinos?!

gst3• 3 years ago

Comma selling this product like it's some car accessory looks pretty reckless to me.

Comma is not selling openpilot (the software that makes your car self-driving), but they are selling the Comma devices that out-if-the-box just include dashcam functionality and a few additional features.

Openpilot is an open-source project on Github that makes cars self-driving and that also runs on regular Linux PCs as well as those Comma devices.

Do you suggest that Comma should not be allowed to sell the Comma devices anymore (that out of the box work as a Dashcam)? Or do you suggest that Comma should not be allowed to contribute to an open-source project that can make cars self-driving?

Novosell• 3 years ago

So, the way you phrased it made me believe that this "openpilot" software is unaffiliated with Comma.ai. But they are, in fact, the owners and maintainers of the openpilot repo and link directly to it on their website.

foota2• 3 years ago

From Comma's website:

"Meet the comma 3X The comma 3X is custom hardware designed to live in your car, and purpose built to run openpilot. The comma 3X has three beautiful HDR cameras, two cameras to watch the road and one night-vision camera to see inside the car. "

delusional• 3 years ago

Comma is not selling openpilot (the software that makes your car self-driving), but they are selling the Comma devices that out-if-the-box just include dashcam functionality and a few additional features.

Come on, this line of reasoning pretty clearly can't work in a lawful society.

Imagine Smith & Wesson making the argument that clearly this gun is just meant for decoration, we can't be responsible for people buying bullets on our webpage and shooting people. That's clearly a bogus argument. It's legal obfuscation.

If comma didn't want people to run openpilot on their dashcam, they wouldn't host a guide, the wouldn't market it, they would lock down the software they build. The hardware is MADE to run openpilot. Openpilot is MADE to be run on the hardware.

Barrin922• 3 years ago

"t should be noted that no ethically-trained software engineer would ever consent to write a DestroyBaghdad procedure. Basic professional ethics would instead require him to write a DestroyCity procedure, to which Baghdad could be given as a parameter."

unpopular428• 3 years ago

Why people start to cry for regulation whenever they see something new these days? Hasn't been the case before, something has shifted in people's minds in the last 10 years or so

Barrin922• 3 years ago

because this is a device installed in two tons of steel moving around at lethal velocities in close vicinity to human beings who didn't sign up to be unwilling beta testers. If anything 10 or 20 years ago this wouldn't have even made it on the streets.

Can you imagine a factory where machines with the potential to dismember someone are installed by amateurs with no certification? This is like that except factory machines don't drive next to school yards.

redox993• 3 years ago

People are extremely risk averse nowadays. The same way children could play outside alone before, and can't now.

zapnuk2• 3 years ago

The leading causes for 'unintentional injury' deaths in the USA (age 1-44) are:

1. Drug overdose

2. Motor vehicle traffic

Maybe there is a need for regulation? Especially if you consider that the USA has 2-4x more road deaths per million people compared to europe. Safe technoligies through regulations are one aspect in addressing this problem.

CalRobert5• 3 years ago

Because this can kill people. Lots of them. And not just the users.

wiseowise4• 3 years ago

Why people start to cry for regulation whenever they see something new these days?

Maybe because people care about other people instead of their tech bro cool tech feelings?

Rebelgecko2• 3 years ago

What's the difference between this and the previous version?

Edit: looks like no more user upgradable storage via m.2, but it's a bit cheaper. It's also no longer necessary for some vehicles to have a Raspberry Pi sitting between the car and the comma

not_your_vase2• 3 years ago

Doesn't seem to work with Teslas, thought it would be an interesting thing to turn on both at the same time: battle of the robo-drivers. Missed opportunity, if you ask me.

SparkyMcUnicorn2• 3 years ago

There's _some_ community support: https://tinkla.us

sturza• 3 years ago

https://tinkla.us/t/tinkla_buddy

"It is so amazingly powerfule that I can not release the source code, nor can I give you hints on how it works. As a cybersecurity expert (in my real life), I can assure you I take security very seriously. So a no is a NO."

timfsu2• 3 years ago

I have the original Comma 3 in my car (2019 Acura RDX), and it's pretty game-changing for long drives. The car already has adaptive cruise control and lane-keep-assist, but you need to keep your hands on the wheel. With the Comma, I can set it up on most of the roads I drive (local or highway) and it'll keep me going at the desired speed in the center of the lane (up to a certain max turning torque, which is a limitation on the Acura LKAS system - if you're in the Bay Area, it handles 101 just fine but will struggle on the 280).

I've logged about 3k miles of autonomous driving at this point and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it if your car supports it, with the understanding that it's a limited system and you still have to pay attention the entire time. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of the newer cars have tighter security around CAN bus communication, so it may not be easy for Comma to continue to do their thing.

SparkyMcUnicorn2• 3 years ago

It's also notable to point out that OpenPilot is way smoother/better than stock LKAS (and otherwise), and getting better with each release (based on personal experience in Toyota and Honda/Acura cars).

stavros2• 3 years ago

Is there any reason for CAN bus security, other than preventing people from modding their cars?

TylerE• 3 years ago

I'd imagine the anti-tampering clause (it's a felony!) of the Clean Air Act is one reason.

fragmede• 3 years ago

The wiring for the CAN bus can be made to be accessible from the outside of the car with a bit of force, which means that's all a thief needs to do to steal your car. Yank a headlight out until the wiring harness comes with it, making the CAN bus accessible, install the car stealing modchip onto the bus, unlock the doors, get inside, start the engine, and drive off.

https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2023/04/18/vehicle-headlight-ca...

oritsnile• 3 years ago

There is a new unece regulation, requiring strong temper protection, which means at least CAN authentication. https://unece.org/sustainable-development/press/un-regulatio...

fouc• 3 years ago

Wow I wasn't aware comma.ai came this far. I also wasn't aware that modern cars provided interfaces to steering/braking. Handy that!

agilob• 3 years ago

No EU distribution?

razemio3• 3 years ago

They ship worldwide. Have bought 2 devices already within the EU. Was no issue at all besides import tax.

countrymile• 3 years ago

Are they legal to use in the UK?

redox993• 3 years ago

It says 360 degrees vision with 3 cameras. How does that work? It doesn't show anywhere where the cameras go. I don't understand how you can get 360 degrees just from a device on your windshield.

I find the website so lackluster. There isn't even a picture of what it looks like from the other side.

stavros2• 3 years ago

One on the right, one on the left, one behind, all pointing 120 degrees relative to each other?

unixhero• 3 years ago

Problem is, as a private user I don't want it. Now they have support for vehicles by MAN, and that cam become an explosive growth market far them.

Strangely they walked back storage space. There used to be a 1 or 2 terabyte ssd/m2 storage option.

Comma 3X

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