An AI porn industry is emerging through Stable Diffusion

https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/17/meet-unstable-diffusion-the-group-trying-to-monetize-ai-porn-generators/

by wa5ina • 3 years ago

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Nursie2• 3 years ago

This sort of thing makes me wonder about paraphilia’s that might emerge - images which might tweak some human reactions in a way that human bodies just can’t. Like those flowers that mimic female flies so well the males prefer them to actual female flies.

esperent2• 3 years ago

Doesn't make up and plastic surgery already count?

noduerme5• 3 years ago

how'd that turn out for the flies?

Nursie2• 3 years ago

Well, if the nature documentary I saw is to be believed, they eventually get tired of the plant not acting quite right and go find a real female fly. (IIRC it’s some sort of orchid)

Which I guess makes evolutionary sense - you want to use the fly for pollination, but you can’t be so sexy it completely gives up on procreation, or you run out of pollinators!

someweirdperson• 3 years ago

That would require a lot of people to rate generated images, to use as feedback to push the training in that direction? How are they going to pay them for all that work? Oh, wait, ...

ben_w2• 3 years ago

People have suggested this has already happened with the unrealistic portrayals in porn, in regards to the acts themselves being easier (and with less concerns about cleaning up before or after), and also with body shapes focusing on and emphasising certain traits that are uncommon to the point that IRL they're either unhealthy or require surgery.

(I don't know if such claims are well founded, just that I've heard them).

justsomehnguy• 3 years ago

if such claims are well founded

Just visit r/boltedontits.

BaculumMeumEst• 3 years ago

that already applied to anime porn or 3D rendered porn, no? after all, AI porn is just imitating these. now it's just easier to mass produce.

fwlr• 3 years ago

Relevant: https://twitter.com/greentextrepost/status/16260793611695104...

Traubenfuchs2• 3 years ago

Art already does that! Don‘t you know about furry porn? Hyper, macro, vore -there are all kinds of fetishes that would be impossible in real life. Insane hyperoptimizations.

flippinburgers• 3 years ago

Should it come as a surprise that patreon has flagged the unstable account and is reviewing it?

esperent2• 3 years ago

No because unfortunately Patreon, like every other service, is forced to use Mastercard and Visa who have decided they are the arbiters of morality in our society.

ElCapitanMarkla• 3 years ago

I believe it’s less morality and more these adult markets have a much greater level of risk involved. Loads more disputes, etc.

ddmma• 3 years ago

Surely new categories will develop such as 6 fingerings

curtisblaine• 3 years ago

"The generated porn could have negative consequences particularly for marginalized groups, the ethicists say, including the artists and adult actors who make a living creating porn to fulfill customers’ fantasies"

Why "marginalized"?

Traubenfuchs2• 3 years ago

It’s just a meaningless word used to garnish woke word puke.

visarga• 3 years ago

Imagination augmentation, and like human imagination, it is uncensored.

Serenacula2• 3 years ago

To be honest, I kinda feel AI porn is actually more ethical than the current porn industry. Much like written or drawn porn, it does not rely on the objectification of actual people. Instead it can fill a niche without hurting anyone.

There is the problem of it replacing real jobs, but this is not unique to the field.

The main problem, in my eyes, is AI porn that mimics real people. This is the main place I'd like to see some real restriction.

Reason077• 3 years ago

Porn actors may feel differently if it’s their jobs/livelihoods at stake.

xiphias25• 3 years ago

Most porn actors are young girls doing it a few times (as they are required to do more extreme things to stay relevant) and being seen forever.

They also don't think about how easy it will be to identify them in the future as face recognition/matching gets even cheaper.

bloqs• 3 years ago

There are a small handful of true career porn stars, most do their stint and get out within a couple of years

fxj• 3 years ago

maybe thats good for them to find a job where they are not judged by their look and their ability to take c*k

ilkke• 3 years ago

I agree with the core sentiment, but not the "without hurting anyone" part. Porn addiction (and its consequences) has been the elephant in the room for a while.

nathias• 3 years ago

the substance of the addiction isn't hurting anyone, addicts are hurting themselves and need help to stop

devonkim• 3 years ago

Porn addiction while real is possibly overblown or under-discussed depending upon the social circles. Like anything human made it can be used for therapeutic purposes or abused depending upon both the intent and consumer base. I think we can all agree that higher quality human relationships should certainly take priority over any form of hedonism or escapism but it’s increasingly difficult for a looser society to find the conditions requisite for such essential relationships to develop organically. Moreover, we can potentially view addictions in general as more of a symptom than a cause of failed relationships and our increasingly tenuous social fabric.

charlieyu1• 3 years ago

Porn has been around for generations.

acer4666• 3 years ago

How do you get your training data if no-one has been objectified in the supply pipeline?

ThinkBeat2• 3 years ago

It depends on how you define ethical / exploitation.

There is a ginormous set of data available to nearly everyone for free. (one way or another) that would provide enormous training input.

If instead you focus on the fact that people were objektives during the making of the porn in the first place then the equatino changes.

In one case it would stop future objectification.

CommanderData• 3 years ago

Instead it can fill a niche without hurting anyone

Controls and restrictions are good for people and thus society. We see benefits on limiting food intake, drugs, certain perversion (child, incest etc) and the inverse being no limits etc. associated with obesity, disease and mental health issues. IMO we shouldn't even coin the term "without hurting anyone" because of it's simplistic view of the world and society. AI porn will just feed peoples fetishes to no end and most likely compound the porn crisis further, which is already a public health issue.

This is the same argument used for a lot of things including drug addiction. It's a very easy phrase to throw without thinking of the wider consequences. People do not live in a bubble, we're social animals and another persons ills can have a detrimental effect on society.

majikaja2• 3 years ago

I feel like worrying about ethics is often a coping mechanism hard working men do to deal with the fact that they can easily be out-earned by a woman with very little skills.

Pet_Ant• 3 years ago

There already are porn stars whose careers depend in them looking like celebrities. Long before AI, in the early days of the internet, there were “nudes” of Gillian Anderson/Dana Scully. You own your body, bur your face is not as unique as you think it is. https://nypost.com/2021/07/13/uncanny-taylor-swift-lookalike...

more_corn2• 3 years ago

In order to train it you need a dataset…

xiphias25• 3 years ago

,,putting women in the porn industry out of a job''

Sounds like a great thing. The industry is getting 18 year old women who don't have experience in managing money to sell their body for a few thousand dollars to be shown forever, then their porn value drops dramatically fast.

hungryforcodes3• 3 years ago

Sounds like you have direct experience here.

xiphias25• 3 years ago

There was a Netflix documentary about it

tennisflyi3• 3 years ago

Go to any agency and their average model age is older than you think.

https://hussiemodels.com/ (NSFW)

Age | Number

18 | 0

19 | 6

20 | 6

21 | 10

22 | 11

23 | 8

24 | 3

25 | 4

26 | 1

27 | 1

28 | 2

29 | 3

30+ | 9

An average of around 24...

From a quick sample.

meghan_rain4• 3 years ago

I am addicted to (human) pornography and when I first heard about AI porn, I vowed to myself to never watch it, because I knew it would be like heroin on steroids to my brain.

Welp, curiosity got the better of me, and I gave in and decided to check it out, but not the anime type that the Techcrunch article seems to have as pixelated examples.

Instead, I ordered some photorealistic AI porn from an artist and it was... wow... the experience was overwhelming.

The girls were literal 10/10 perfections, you would never be able to find humans like that, even among world-class supermodels. They had these very pretty and also very characteristic faces, I have never seen anything like this in reality.

But that's not the scary part.

The scary part was that since this was custom-made by an artist just for me, it contained exactly my fetishes.

In real life, it would be much harder to find 10/10 models doing my fetishes (simply because there are not many 10/10s around, let alone doing porn, and there is a lot of fetishes).

In combination, it was a profound feeling of extasy, I have never experienced something like this before.

I am very worried tbh. Currently, it took a couple hundred dollars and a week to generate that porn, because the artist has to work with special models and do a lot of manual iterations, inpainting, etc, before it becomes even passable, and then even more iterations to make it almost flawless. But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated.

And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs.

Muromec• 3 years ago

In near future we will all work for AI and AI will pay us in custom-generated porn.

pigsty• 3 years ago

This is what terrifies me most about AI’s insane growth now. Not the risk of it destroying creative jobs. The risk of it giving us exactly what we want to always perfectly stimulate our brains and shortcut our pleasure pathways.

Smartphones in our hands is already putting boredom at risk of extinction. Where humanity will go when we can be exposed to unchallenging content that is precisely what we want 24/7, adapt to be different the moment we start getting slightly tired of current content, divorced from reality, and completely for free is something I can’t really imagine.

A lot of sci-fi deals with people living in VR worlds because they’re unable to cope with real life. Instead we’re on a path to virtual drug addiction but with no possibility of overdose or come down.

alright_scowl2• 3 years ago

That sounds great actually. Reality is overrated.

I welcome the future where humans have become obsolete.

scajanus• 3 years ago

Consuming content does not really make me happy or feel good. It is stimulating and addictive, but as of now I am still motivated to see friends, do sports, work towards goals etc. even if I often get sidetracked by my online material.

If you think about addiction simplistically and mechanically, drugs will always be more capable of releasing dopamine than what our bodies are capable of naturally. It would make sense to me that there is a limit to how addictive content can get, when consumed in the usual ways.

This is also a (health) education problem, and at least in Finland problematic social media use has been linked with "moderate/low school achievement, low health literacy, and low parental monitoring"[1] (though if there is causality, it probably goes both ways for some of those).

For what it is worth, for me personally there is a limit after which I get twitchy and need to do some hard or uncomfortable in the physical world to feel good again.

[1] https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/4/1885

TheOtherHobbes• 3 years ago

That's exactly the problem. Without regulation and oversight, AI will inevitably become perceptual crack for the entire human species.

mahathu2• 3 years ago

The girls were literal 10/10 perfections, you would never be able to find humans like that, even among world-class supermodels.

That sounds really boring, lol.

sh4rks2• 3 years ago

Well if that sounds boring, you could ask the AI artist to add in some imperfections. Anything is possible.

recuter2• 3 years ago

I am very worried tbh. Currently, it took a couple hundred dollars and a week to generate that porn, because the artist has to work with special models and do a lot of manual iterations, inpainting, etc, before it becomes even passable, and then even more iterations to make it almost flawless. But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated.
And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs.

MDMA is cheaper and overuse will literally fry your brain. I'd be more worried about that. Yanking it to AI porn is a self-limiting endeavor and I assume sitting around in the cold dampness of your shame you will eventually hit rock bottom and post-nut clarity.

If you are truly seeking for a way out you are one of the few people I would suggest hop a plane to a foreign country to frequent a red lights district as your problems go far deeper than just getting stuck on a hedonistic treadmill.

But yeah, teenagers and people who can't or are too afraid to leave the house will be more screwed up by this than regular porn.

vernon99• 3 years ago

Tbh this reads like a comment from somebody who never visited a red light district, not tried a lot of MDMA and neither saw top quality AI porn. If this is true, why do you think your recommendation holds any value?

I can totally feel the parent poster. This is not about sex per se, this is about absolute sexual beauty that is quite hard to find even in the top secret VIP escort salons, not even talking about the proletariat-style red light districts.

And MDMA has a pretty bad seratonin depletion hangover, if you tried to do it even for a couple days straight, this would be an obvious negative experience and the reason why people actually rarely overdose intentionally.

AI porn definitely has an opportunity to create a pretty bad cheap ecstasy cycle with no massive physical drawbacks and we are definitey heading there.

noduerme5• 3 years ago

Soooo... you seem to be aware that this is an unhealthy habit, and that AI-generated porn will make it worse. I could write something generic here about AI or porn vs. mental health but instead I'm going to probably sound judgmental. I'm not; you do you; your brains are made to be stimulated any way you want to stimulate them. But you said some things seemingly in distress that are big red flags. Stop reading now if hearing a raw opinion about your comment will bother you.

Several things you mentioned are going to be terrible for your ability to form future relationships or partake in society. You probably already realize all of these but they aren't what other people will openly point out to you, so maybe hearing it from another human will be good.

1./ Looking to see your fetishes performed by 10/10 models. I have no idea your gender or orientation, or what you consider 10/10, it could be anything. But you know that no one is perfect to anyone else IRL when you spend a few minutes with them. They're human. They fart. If you like farts, they burp. If you like burps, they don't burp. Fantasy is fine but numbing yourself to the point where you only get off on fantasy is a never-ending cycle. The last fantasy 10/10 only gets you off until the next one.

2./ On a more basic level, pulling your trigger (clit, dick, both, whatever) is one of lots of things you can be doing. If you want to spend money on making it nice, that's cool; but it's essentially an infantile experience. Look, if you said the same exact thing about buying a Ferrari and driving it real fast, I'd say the exact same thing about this being infantile. You can let peak experiences take over your brain for an hour or two, or a week, or a month, but this must be ephemeral - temporary - or else they aren't peak experiences anymore.

1 + 2 / Rewiring your brain to constantly seek peak 10/10 experiences is the definition of a drug-seeking addiction. You're recognizing that it's going to interfere with your basic wiring and you haven't even gone full-throttle on it. It's not what will come next in AI that will ruin you... it's you looking for it.

Everything you said here could have been said by someone addicted to child porn or heroin. I'm not equating your harmless use of AI gratification with the negative social implications of those things; I'm just saying that you're already preemptively blaming the fact that it's there because you know that it's fuckin bad for you.

I always said I'd smoke crack and do heroin on my deathbed, but not til then, because I'd like it too much. Fake porn of 10/10s doing your fetishes is just crack. Get a real 4/10 person to do them with you and you'll be a much happier, fuller person with a life and not just a bunch of overstimulated neurons.

meghan_rain4• 3 years ago

100% right in all regards

SunghoYahng• 3 years ago

I don't think so. The nakedness of a 10/10 virtual girl is not in the same league as the nakedness of a 4/10 real girl. That's not a gap that can be overcome by the virtual girl's nakedness getting better and better. As proof, I'm 100% certain that I would choose a relationship with a 4/10 real girl over a 10/10 virtual girl's nakedness without a second thought.

narrator2• 3 years ago

The future is not Orwell and his "a boot stamping on a human face— forever." It's AI expertly pushing our little human psychological/emotional buttons forever. The future is going to be FILLED with AI hyper-trained to persuade us with beautiful people made from these models to do whatever the heck people controlling that AI want.

Speaking of AI generated visual porn, I wonder why AI Dungeon, Replika and Character.AI shut down all NSFW interactions in their text chat, even if you pay. Maybe ethical concerns?

I was on AI Dungeon in 2020 when they had a GPT-3 backend and no censorship. Holy Cow that was addictive! I bet a large percentage of the population could combine that with stable diffusion and live their whole lives in there!

throw0101c• 3 years ago

The future is not Orwell and his "a boot stamping on a human face— forever." It's AI expertly pushing our little human psychological/emotional buttons forever.

Bradbury explores (amongst other things) a constantly hedonistic society in Fahrenheit 451:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451

Elements of that also found in Huxley's Brave New World:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

narrator2• 3 years ago

I found an interview with the Replika guy. He said the AI was not safe when it did erotic stuff and that's why they shut it down. I wonder what that really means in detail. There are some deep philosophical questions under all this.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zaam/replika-ceo-ai-erotic...

hutzlibu• 3 years ago

"But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated."

I think it will take a loong time, before it gets fully automated and deliver passable results, that are not 100% generic and repetive. But even if:

"And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs. "

Wouldn't it still simply get boring after a while and you stop watching porn?

irthomasthomas3• 3 years ago

Pics or STFU. Seriously, though, you could post a screenshot of one those fake 10/10 faces you are talking about. You're already anonymous. Otherwise, I don't buy this.

If what you say is true, that better-than-real porn can be produced for $200, then porn stars will all be redundant within a year. I think that would be a good thing, as many porn stars are victims of abuse. Although I think more harm will be done to the consumers, it's probably a net win overall.

tennisflyi3• 3 years ago

Seriously, though, you could post a screenshot of one those fake 10/10 faces you are talking about. You're already anonymous. Otherwise, I don't buy this. If what you say is true, that better-than-real porn can be produced for $200, then porn stars will all be redundant within a year.

10/10 like anime woman, not photorealistic.

toomuchtodo2• 3 years ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/pornpen/

https://pornpen.ai/

(obviously not safe for work)

dreen• 3 years ago

Imho you should have already been looking at human actor porn the way you describe the AI porn, if you want a healthy approach to porn. Obviously women don't behave in real life in bed the way they do when acting out a porn scene. Obviously the digital content has long been digitally enhanced. Obviously sex in porn is to real sex what car chases in movies are to real police chace. My approach doesn't change just because its not filmed anymore. Its entertainment, but was never meant to depict realistic people having real intercourse.

meghan_rain4• 3 years ago

true

oars• 3 years ago

Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience. I hope that you will be able to adapt to this new world and look after yourself.

sebosp• 3 years ago

I'm gonna ask something awful, but isn't this the end of child porn? It's sad but isn't it the least painful option? I wish it would then lead the people that need mental health to a professional, hell, couldn't we engineer an ai that progressively guides their misguided patterns to an acceptable level? (assuming such a thing exists)

IIAOPSW2• 3 years ago

That's not awful at all its just a topic that makes people queasy, and an outcome which blueballs those who are into hating pedos first and protecting children as an afterthought.

elorant2• 3 years ago

It’s not awful because it has been addressed before. Sure, if you can create child porn at your demand there’s no reason to go look for the real thing, at least in theory.

There are a couple of problems though. How would the model be trained? It has to process child faces. This is a huge red flag by itself. The second problem is that it might get more people addicted to child porn. If it becomes so easy to access who can tell how many more will find it attractive. And then you’ll end up with a much bigger problem than the one you had when started.

ramblerman• 3 years ago

The second problem is that it might get more people addicted to child porn

Would you similarly argue gay porn is likely to make more people gay?

luckylion• 3 years ago

If it becomes so easy to access who can tell how many more will find it attractive.

The same argument is regularly brought up around drugs. Modifying chemical formulas brings out stuff like 1P-LSD, which is a functional analogue of LSD, but has been legal in lots of countries for years because it wasn't covered by the existing laws. With that argument, you'd expect everyone and their aunt to be tripping, but we didn't. There's a subculture that is interested in psychotropic drugs, but it's small, and availability doesn't increase it.

sh4rks2• 3 years ago

Exactly. As morbid as it is, people might eventually get bored of the fake stuff and might crave (or even fetishize) the "real" stuff.

jstarfish• 3 years ago

The second problem is that it might get more people addicted to child porn.

Nah, the second problem is escalation.

The fear is that once you've burned out on fakes, you start looking for the real stuff (or physical encounters) to get your dopamine fix.

Serenacula2• 3 years ago

It has been argued that YouTube does this in reverse, so probably.

ThinkBeat2• 3 years ago

No. Creating child porn, be it drawings, written, or AI is illegal. (even though no real person was involved at any stage).

Buying a sex doll with proportions that are closer to a child than an adult is also illegal.

Given that some sex dolls are partial. (not the entire legs for example) the difference can get murky

My references here are to Norwgian law.

exolymph• 3 years ago

Creating child porn, be it drawings, written, or AI is illegal.

In the US this is not true.

sheepdestroyer• 3 years ago

Drawings (in manga form for instance) depicting underage sex are considered child pornography in many jurisdictions. Prison sentences are given for having it. AI generated cp is most certainly also cp.

tennisflyi3• 3 years ago

No. The real stuff will just fetch a premium.

IIAOPSW2• 3 years ago

GPTina's onlyfans.

coffeeblack• 3 years ago

OnlyGPT.

GPTfans.

Whoever operates it can keep all the simp payments and doesn’t need to share with the sex workers. Just needs an LLM that tells the simps how funny and special they are.

quikoa• 3 years ago

https://archive.is/IYogN

iExploder• 3 years ago

moderation was never as important as it will be in the new "AI age" of generated content

There should be a mechanism to make sure people dont dive into a rabbit hole and get stuck on whatever type of generated content they want to consume (whether that is porn, conspiration theories, or opinionated content)

zone411• 3 years ago

Note that this article is from four months ago. Their Patreon and Kickstarter have been suspended but they collected money on their website and they will first focus on making yet another anime model.

The big news in the Stable Diffusion land has been the release of ControlNet: https://github.com/lllyasviel/ControlNet. It hasn't gotten much traction on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34761780. It allows you to maintain the shape of existing images (or sketch new ones) and use Stable Diffusion to fill them out, my example: https://twitter.com/LechMazur/status/1626668677473918981.

nailer• 3 years ago

Clickbait article. Direct link to Discord: https://top.gg/servers/1010980909568245801

rajnathani• 3 years ago

Minor: Add (2022)

valdiorn• 3 years ago

I just absolutely fail to see the issue with CGI porn, even of the underage variety (because let's face it, that's all anyone is going to care about when it comes to banning it).

Trying to argue that fake pictures of non existent kids doing bad shit is somehow "child porn" is about as dumb as saying Saw (the movie) is an actual snuff film.

Is it vulgar and offensive - of course. Is it child porn - no, because the person in the picture does not exist.

raspyberr• 3 years ago

How do you train a model to produce pictures of children?

jacknews• 3 years ago

'raking in' ... $2500/month.

I mean it's not exactly pornhub-group numbers, who do actually 'monetize' content they don't quite own.

czottmann• 3 years ago

I fear the day when I realize I can only be aroused by pictures of artificia-ladies with 7.5 or more fingers on each hand and an ever-changing amount of nipples.

shrimp_emoji• 3 years ago

<Laughs in e621>