Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-19/two-charged-with-using-amazon-ring-cameras-in-nationwide-swatting-spree

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neonate• 4 years ago

https://archive.ph/pMxnz

lolinder3• 4 years ago

I half think this needs a (2020), because even though the article is fresh, the actual incident is two years old.

benatkin3• 4 years ago

I remember hearing about swatting back then, but not with Ring. Perhaps this contains more detail on Ring.

lolinder3• 4 years ago

Not really. Yahoo email addresses were hacked and then the associated Ring accounts were compromised and used to livestream swattings. The only thing that might be considered specific to Ring is they they didn't require 2FA until after this happened.

tmpburning3• 4 years ago

If you half think it, why do you even say it?

macintux2• 4 years ago

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

nickff2• 4 years ago

Proving attempted murder is very difficult, but "SWATting" already falls under the broad umbrella of 'assault'. It seems like the police are likely guilty of criminal negligence as well.

olliej4• 4 years ago

Genuinely curious: What is the crime if I shoot a gun at a house knowing that it is occupied?it seems obvious that if I kill an occupant it would be murder, but what happens if I don’t?

8note• 4 years ago

Stopping the swatter doesn't do much, and still allows for people to be swatted.

The thing that needs an overhaul is the decision making on when to actually send out the swat team. It's lazy, expensive, and dangerous to send them out for every opportunity without any investigation

metadat• 4 years ago

If the authorities are too slow to respond they get crucified (extreme case: Uvalde, Texas school shooting earlier this year where the cops sat paralyzed while children were actively being murdered by a gunman).

I don't like the five-oh but going the route you're proposing will make some instances much worse with avoidable loss of life.

benatkin3• 4 years ago

It doesn't mean a literal SWAT team any more. Many departments have truly gone overkill with their everyday gear and tactics, and many of those that don't still seem SWAT-like. I would argue that the SFPD are usually relatively low key, but they now carry around night sticks which seem pretty bad ass, but are really meant to be an alternative to deadlier force.

kibwen2• 4 years ago

We can do both: hold false reporters accountable while also demanding investigations into police recklessness.

heavyset_go2• 4 years ago

That won't happen because cops love any excuse they can get to dress up, play with their shiny toys/weapons and crack some skulls while accruing overtime pay. We can't trust them to regulate themselves.

The overhaul we need is community oversight, community decision making and community policing.

ummonk2• 4 years ago

If I call the cops because some armed gunman is breaking into my house, I don’t want them to send some unarmed patrolman to politely knock on my door and check whether everything is okay.

naasking• 4 years ago

Stopping the swatter doesn't do much, and still allows for people to be swatted.

A record of high profile cases where swatters get caught and incarcerated would be a great deterrent.

benatkin3• 4 years ago

There is indeed a substantial risk with police, but I think it would set a bad precedent to say that death is an expected outcome of being SWATted. Reckless endangerment would be more appropriate. From a quick glance on Wikipedia it has death as a likely outcome, not an expected one like with attempted murder.

tshaddox2• 4 years ago

I mean the police should obviously also be charged with murder when they murder someone.

TedDoesntTalk• 4 years ago

Why is it always boys and men who do swatting?

TheSpiceIsLife• 4 years ago

Here in Australia the incarceration rate of men vs women is about 12.5 : 1

So I'd guess the answer to your question is something like: for the same reasons that men commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime, which probably has something to do with evolution and testosterone and culture.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/648093/australia-impriso...

tartoran• 4 years ago

I think it’s some kind of subculture, not sure whether women ever do it though but I suspect gaming to be somewhat involved, mainly shooting/war games where boys/men are in larger numbers

heavyset_go2• 4 years ago

That's the 4chan demographic.

pessimizer2• 4 years ago

Boys and men are conservatively responsible for like 90% of violence, from suicide to dropping nukes.

fortran77• 4 years ago

Women invented "school shootings" though! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_sh...

jahewson4• 4 years ago

That seems excessive. I would consider swatting lesser than attempted voluntary manslaughter which carries a maximum 10 year federal sentence. It’s also typically prosecuted at the state level, which kinda messes things up for the Feds. Reckless endangerment feels more appropriate, perhaps a bit too soft at 2 years maximum, though it is rarely prosecuted at the federal level. So 5 years maximum for the federal conspiracy charges seems basically in-line with any reasonable expectation.

NaturalPhallacy• 4 years ago

It's completely premeditated which is IIRC the main criterion for legally speaking 'murder'.

gnicholas2• 4 years ago

Attempted manslaughter is a federal crime? This doesn't sound right to me, as a (former) lawyer. I would think that special circumstances would be necessary for a homicide or attempted homicide to be a federal crime, which would explain why there might be a mandatory minimum.

olliej4• 4 years ago

No. If I drive to a random house and start shooting at it, I don’t get to call that reckless endangerment. If I kill someone I sure as hell don’t get to call it an accident.

It does not matter if you think how is police operate is unreasonable, what matters is that what they do is well known and established, and the outcome is foreseeable.

Also, if your best defense is “this isn’t attempted murder, it’s just terrorism” I have questions.

pclmulqdq• 4 years ago

It already is considered attempted murder by some localities. The issue is usually catching the swatter. They often use anonymous VOIP services and voice changers (if they are even in the same country as the target), so it is effectively impossible to track them down.

teeray• 4 years ago

The question is: why is it possible to place a 911 call without all that information being laid bare before the dispatcher and logged. There are extraordinary regulations on carriers for E911, and thus a means to impose that requirement.

tmpburning3• 4 years ago

They often use anonymous VOIP services and voice changers

using a voice changer is asking for trouble... I would use synthesized speech

ClumsyPilot3• 4 years ago

It already is considered attempted murder by some localities

Is there a link to this? The government decided that calling another branch of the government for help is so dangerous it is an attempt to murder?

pessimizer2• 4 years ago

I hope that one day we can trust cops not to murder people based on anonymous phoned-in tips. Seems more rational than expecting random marginal people and the mentally ill to care about some draconian penalty for something they don't think they're likely to get caught for.

mannykannot2• 4 years ago

As far as I can tell from this report, no-one was shot at, so maybe the correction is already being made. On the other hand, I would not mind those who still find swatting appealing to be presented with plenty of time to develop some form of maturity before they are in a position to repeat. It's not like these are contradictory goals.

Someone1234• 4 years ago

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave.

It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0].

"Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the problem (and many other topical problems).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_du...

reducesuffering3• 4 years ago

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

Pxtl• 4 years ago

Keffals was swatted in Canada, and Canada has a far less extreme police and gun culture compared to the USA.

imgabe2• 4 years ago

Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call? 99% of calls in the US would be the exact normal response you said - police knock on the door and ask questions.

The problem is the swatters know the exact type of call to make to elicit a SWAT response, usually involving someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed. The police can't just assume people making that kind of call are lying, they have to respond as if it's real. It's not a problem of the police just responding to every call like that.

ericmcer• 4 years ago

In other parts of the world the police get a call saying there is an armed individual threatening to hurt hostages and they send a single unarmed officer to knock on the door?

vba6166• 4 years ago

There are estimated to be thousands of swatting incidents in a given year, so the "super boring" result evidently happens the vast majority of the time in the US too.

It's also not always that boring in other countries. Here is an example that involved more than some questions and leaving:

https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/18-year-old-arrested-in-cana...

basilgohar• 4 years ago

Why does the claim that a police presence is needed somewhere result in the death of innocent people? Why are the police prepared for war when visiting someone's residence? What situation, time and time again, can possibly justify this kind of repeated response?

Put in another, more unpleasant way, how many innocent deaths are worth one police officer death, because law enforcement justifies this due to (truly existent, but I think extremely overstated) danger inherent in the job.

But I think any rational mind can perceive it's way too far skewed in one direction.

bagels• 4 years ago

The police get deference in the courts, and their answer is: as many as it takes

tmpburning3• 4 years ago

Swatting is wrong, but it brings awareness to the police problem in the US...

jokoon• 4 years ago

Swatting is the result of an aggressive police.

Of course those scam calls are guilty, but the police should also be less aggressive.

If the police would fix it's behavior swatting wouldn't exist.

xoa2• 4 years ago

prompted the FBI to issue a public service announcement in late 2020 urging users of smarthome security cameras to use unique passwords

From a tech point of view, first in the medium term I first look forward to the long, long, loooonnnng awaited day when this entire class of attacks finally vanishes along with the madness of shared symmetric authentication in favor of proper public key systems. A solid decade and a half or more after smartcards and browser certs might have made it possible if things had taken a different path, the Passkey/Webauthn/FIDO2 ecosystem finally seems to be hitting the tipping point and accelerating towards critical mass. It shouldn't be necessary for anyone to remember more than one or two decent passwords/PINs, and all the actual unique random key generation should get taken care of automatically and with zero concerns about far side security. All other issues aside, it'll be great when this is just, there, and the entire concept of "default passwords" doesn't exist because to setup an account at all requires initialization with a proper key.

Second though stories like this also to me at least have helped a bit in terms of motivation/justification for taking IOT security seriously and advocating for that to colleagues and family. Like a lot of human<>tech interface stuff sometimes it feels really hard, because the deliverable is mostly "nothing happens". It's hard to prove a negative, and since for now some security efforts require extra money, time, and/or convenience tradeoffs, "is this all really worth it" does come up (and probably always will). And it can also be hard to be sure if what you've done is enough before it gets put to the test. It takes some level of stochastic belief, of "faith" even that yes, security, redundancy, decentralization and backups etc really does matter in the modern world, like it or not.

A certain degree of paranoia isn't unreasonable because a certain percentage of humanity really is out to get us. And the internet means that a tiny percentage can reach out and affect other humans far away.

mattwilsonn888• 4 years ago

Thanks for writing that. I just wanted to add on to your last point and better justify it.

A certain degree of paranoia isn't unreasonable because a certain percentage of humanity really is out to get us. And the internet means that a tiny percentage can reach out and affect other humans far away.

It is true that better systems will make rare but terrible incidents less likely, but in this case, better IoT which is easier to secure and remain self-sovereign over actually expands what people are willing to use IoT for. I imagine there are a swath of compelling avenues ready to be developed if not for the warranted hesitancy of anyone managing the security of these systems. Sure, the security now isn't terrible or problematic if used right, but when the security is robust, simple and dead-easy then the innovation up top gets uncapped.

jjoonathan• 4 years ago

Passkey/Webauthn/FIDO2 ecosystem finally seems to be hitting the tipping point

Where N is the number of services the key unlocks, is there a O(1) migration story yet?

xoa2• 4 years ago

Where N is the number of services the key unlocks, is there a O(1) migration story yet?

I'm not 100% sure I'm interpreting what you meant by this correctly, but if you're saying essentially "is there a single click button that will change all my existing accounts over" the answer is a mixture of "no of course" and "there wouldn't be one answer anyway". I mean, there are still plenty of people who don't even use password managers or have any real formal list of services at all. How would you expect there to be any automated migration there? And even with a password manager it'd still be pretty complex to manage some sort of automated switchover given the diversity of credentials and back ends (remember we're not just dealing with websites), even beyond user interaction being required for each use of many hardware key systems (which is indeed good security practice).

However I don't think that matters much having already been through a service migration ages ago with the rise of password managers themselves (and being a fairly early adopter). What happened there (or for email migrations for that matter) was a basic piecemeal/spread-it-out approach. A handful of critical services got changed right away, and then over time I switched others from using old bad passwords of a small set to being listed/managed by password manager(s) whenever I accessed them. The most frequently accessed happened the quickest, others eventually, and I made some systematic effort to get some of the long tail I cared about while just abandoning a few of the very oldest.

As it becomes more universal and everyone gets comfortable with it being battle tested, kinks worked out, rich ecosystems etc, I suspect we'll then start to see sites actively prompting/requiring people to add or switch, which will then happen naturally in the course of normal usage. I currently have almost 1000 items in my password manager (though granted not all of them are passwords) which is intimidating on the face of it, but previous experience tells me it won't actually be a big deal. A few dozen already have keys registered, and over time that will naturally increase as services/systems add support. Well before this time in 2032 I expect everything to be switched that's still actively maintained. Even IRC allowed moving to using client certs instead of passwords a while ago!

Kibae• 4 years ago

conduct regular scans for Ring passwords compromised in non-Ring breaches

Does this mean that Ring stores plaintext passwords?

lolinder3• 4 years ago

No, it means that they hash the breached passwords and compare those hashes to the stored hashes of customer passwords.

Thorrez10• 4 years ago

If Ring has per-user salts, which I assume they do, they'll have to hash each breached password individually for each Ring user. So multiply the number of breached passwords by the number of Ring users by the time a hash takes (slower is better) and you get a huge amount of CPU cost.

everfree• 4 years ago

No. You take the compromised plaintext password, hash it using the same algorithm you typically do for your customers, then you check the hash for matches in your database of existing customer password hashes.

yjftsjthsd-h• 4 years ago

Shouldn't salting make that expensive?

ChrisMarshallNY3• 4 years ago

No. They use rainbow tables: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table

encryptluks2• 4 years ago

If they have a hash, but there is no indication this is due to a breach of Amazon but likely people getting viruses by installing EXE porn and what not.

Thorrez10• 4 years ago

Rainbow tables only work if there aren't per-user salts. I assume Ring uses per-user salts, meaning rainbow tables won't work.

marcus_holmes• 4 years ago

More likely shared passwords, I think

Thorrez10• 4 years ago

Yes. But how does Ring perform the scan? It'll take quite a lot of CPU.

jasonhansel4• 4 years ago

What you do is: you get someone's password from a hacked website that did store passwords in plaintext. Then you try using that same username/password combo to log into Ring.

Thorrez10• 4 years ago

Sure. But how many passwords do you check? Any how many users does Ring have? Multiply those 2 numbers, then multiply that by how slow the password hash is. That's a lot of CPU usage.

Thorrez10• 4 years ago

Maybe they just do the scan at login time.

Maybe that counts as "regular".

hprotagonist• 4 years ago

https://twitter.com/ppathole/status/1116670170980859905

  Tech enthusiasts: My entire house is smart. 

  Tech workers: The only piece of technology in my house is a printer and I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize.

The only modification i'd recommend is replacing the gun with something simpler, like a sledgehammer. Can't be too careful.

guestbest• 4 years ago

Do you think sparks in the primer can be remotely hacked? If so go with a black powder firearm.

cortesoft• 4 years ago

I don't know, I have been a professional software developer for 15 years, and my whole house is smart. The trade offs are worth it to me.

phendrenad24• 4 years ago

Same here. This joke/meme is cute but it isn't really true, lots of tech people have smart devices.

WalterBright3• 4 years ago

I still have no idea why anyone would want automated light switches. Unless they are bedridden.

The conventional light switches never fail. The dimmer switches go out every 5 years or so, and I eventually get fed up and just replace them with a conventional switch.

I've had programmable thermostats, but the user interfaces on them are so terrible I eventually replace them with one with a simple dial and thermostat.

richbell5• 4 years ago

In a similar vein: https://xkcd.com/2030/

jasonhansel4• 4 years ago

Careful about that printer: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/11/hp-pr...

femto• 4 years ago

The question is: whether it would actually trigger the "lp%d on fire" error message?

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux...

zootboy• 4 years ago

The version I've seen specifies that the printer is from 2004:

Tech Enthusiasts: Everything in my house is wired to the Internet of Things! I control it all from my smartphone! My smart-house is bluetooth enabled and I can give it voice commands via alexa! I love the future!
Programmers / Engineers: The most recent piece of technology I own is a printer from 2004 and I keep a loaded gun ready to shoot it if it ever makes an unexpected noise.
Security technicians: takes a deep swig of whiskey I wish I had been born in the neolithic.

No idea where the original version came from, but here's one from ~1.5 years prior to @PPathole's tweet:

https://notcaycepollard.tumblr.com/post/167952829352/tech-en...

phpisthebest6• 4 years ago

As a sysadmin of many decades, I have not owned a printer in 15 years, and no self respecting tech worker I know would ever have one of them in their home.

I do have an enterprise grade network, next gen firewall, a homelab, and a host of vlans with home automation segmented off to a dedicated network with zero internet access

rjzzleep• 4 years ago

Brother used to have this HL2030 which worked forever and was dirt cheap. I'd keep one if you could still buy them and if I wasn't travelling them. Doesn't require a host of vlans either.

"no self respecting tech worker". But yeah, have fun with your enterprise grade network. Hyperbole much?

vba6166• 4 years ago

"Printer" doesn't imply "wireless connection" necessarily.

A lot of "smart" devices can be used without giving them access to the world.

Just. don't. give. them. your. password.

jfoutz• 4 years ago

I have an old hp laser jet I keep around. Occasionally I’ll hook it up to print things out of spite.

fragmede3• 4 years ago

It's 2022. If you don't have at least one 3D printer, I'm afraid you'll have to turn in your "self-respecting tech worker" card.

katbyte2• 4 years ago

Have a cheap laser printer wired on lan. Use it maybe every 2-3 months. Useful when you don’t have an office to print things at (I got it the year I started working at home)

kelnos4• 4 years ago

That's... a little extreme. I have a printer, and it's... fine.

I do have an enterprise grade network, next gen firewall, a homelab, and a host of vlans with home automation segmented off to a dedicated network with zero internet access

You're not a typical tech worker.

razemio• 4 years ago

Replace this with no cloud device and I am fine with that. I have ALOT of "smart devices". None of them are connected to the cloud. If I want to control my house, I connect to it via VPN. If my house wants to contact me, it uses pushover. Not sure if I will still do this when I am "old" but I might ;).

welder2• 4 years ago

Tech worker here: For real, just use a good password manager with random passwords unique per account. This whole smart vs dumb is moot, tech workers aren't even part of the conversation because we don't get our Yahoo! email accounts hacked.

kelnos4• 4 years ago

Also tech worker here: I don't trust any of the smart home vendors to secure either the devices or their cloud services well enough to protect me from someone being able to reach into my home and do stuff.

These days I only buy local-network-only devices (mostly Z-Wave) that I connect to a RaspberryPi-based hub, running software I control, with a remote-access component that I control (and secure) as well. At least if someone gets into my smart devices from the outside, I have no one to blame but myself.

Unfortunately, this sort of setup is just complicated enough to set up and manage that it's beyond most non-technical (or even moderately-technical) people. I really wish it was easier and more accessible.

TazeTSchnitzel• 4 years ago

That tweet you linked was plagiarised from: https://twitter.com/rururunit/status/1116412605025935362

(I've been on twitter too long and it's given me a sixth sense for detecting clout chasers who just repost others' jokes or make incredibly low-effort tweets.)

zingmars2• 4 years ago

That joke is actually pretty old. In fact the link you posted says that it's not his joke. I don't really know where it came from, but it's certainly not from that guy.

belter• 4 years ago

And that one plagiarized from this post one year before...?

https://michaelblume.tumblr.com/post/169525456166/tech-enthu...

Oh wait..maybe this one copied it from this other one in 2017?

https://notcaycepollard.tumblr.com/post/167952829352/tech-en...

We need a "git blame" for the web? :-)

Trouble_007• 4 years ago

Hacked Ring Cams Used to Record Swatting Victims : https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/12/hacked-ring-cams-used-to...

(2017) Thugs who sent Brian Krebs heroin and a SWAT team sentenced : https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/02/21/thugs-who-sent-b...

SWATting - Krebs on Security : https://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/swatting/

aborsy• 4 years ago

How were the Yahoo emails “hacked”?

pr0zac2• 4 years ago

Security compromise in 2013 and 2014 that resulted in stolen login info including hashed passwords. Possibly the biggest data breach of all time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_data_breaches

zebnyc• 4 years ago

Am no defend-the-blue type of person but all of you claiming that the police turn up with excessive force for swatting need to educate yourself. Please watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFPRyFW9F4

These swatters want the police to turn up and use deadly force. They use voice & call scramblers to call the police. The swatters tell the dispatchers that they are mentally unstable / psychotic and have already killed multiple family members and are ready to inflict more damage. Dispatchers have very little time / training to identify if this call is authentic. They just relay the information to the cops who turn up expecting to face a hail of bullets.

jasonhansel4• 4 years ago

Honestly, showing up with a SWAT team as a first step suggests a certain lack of courage, particularly if the officers know how prevalent SWATting is.

kevin_thibedeau• 4 years ago

Many American police are deeply committed to paramilitary cosplay and relish any opportunity to pull out their best toys.

erksa• 4 years ago

Perfect article painfully explaining why you do not want to re-use your passwords.

acidburnNSA2• 4 years ago

I love my on-prem ip cams, my on-prem server that does the YOLOv5 image recognition and long-term storage, my Home Assistant that triggers alerts and sends emails to my self-hosted e-mail server and blinks all my lights, my OpenVPN-on-the-openwrt router remote access technique, my self-hosted Seafile cloud, my self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV calendar and contacts, my mopidy/snapcast whole-home audio with local MP3s, my on-prem Jellyfin-interfaced movie library cobbled together from cheap ebay DVDs... It's a super fun hobby.

But I don't recommend any of it to anyone who doesn't want to make a serious hobby about of it.

Semaphor2• 4 years ago

But I don't recommend any of it to anyone who doesn't want to make a serious hobby about of it.

Just to expand, it’s a scale ;) It’s very easy to have a few lights, maybe some presence detection and motion sensors, and make some automation for those without venturing into hobby territory.

kelnos4• 4 years ago

Hobby or not, it's just a shame that these sorts of setups, even the simple kinds that you describe, are too complicated to set up for most people. I wish it was more the norm that people could run things this way.

joshu• 4 years ago

are you using frigate or what for the video?

acidburnNSA2• 4 years ago

I wrote my own Home Assistant custom component that's a thin wrapper around the YOLOv5 demo code. That's enough to detect objects as people, dogs, cats, etc. and trigger things in home assistant. I haven't seen frigate actually so I should check it out. Thanks.

sourcecodeplz• 4 years ago

Almost every shitty thing young people do is due to their education. The other is social pressure but again the one applying the pressure also lacked proper education.

mym19902• 4 years ago

This seems like a pretty big generalization, just look at SBF as a counter example. There are plenty of educated young people that do stupid things, and depending on the stage of brain development there could be lots of other things at play: household dynamics being a prominent one, having the proper role models, plain ole human nature, etc...

sph• 4 years ago

Probably GP meant that nurture, not nature, is what creates bad people. That includes education, but also upbringing, household, etc.

Which I tend to agree with. Sociopaths due to genetic differences are, IMO, extremely rare as to be a non-factor. But childhood abuse and/or trauma is the biggest reason for people becoming violent, unsociable or generally evil.

SBF just seems like the stereotypical kid born in a very rich, connected family, that got every material need fulfilled, but lacked something crucial to develop a mature and critical understanding of how the world works. This is often seen in children of ultra millionaires, growing up completely divorced from reality and how other people live. I imagine people like him thinking "oh, fuck, so sorry I lost you a million dollars. My bad. You still have a few mil in stocks to tide you over until I get you your money back, right? Right? What do you mean your parents are also broke?"

ck2• 4 years ago

I don't get it, if "swatting is a serious crime" why aren't there TWELVE charges for that specifically with mandatory sentences of years?

Instead they use other charges with a few years?

Tricking the police to go kill people is not an "accident" or "oops" or "just kidding", it's a "well that's enough freedom for this lifetime, guess I want to spend rest of my life in prison".

cute_boi• 4 years ago

"that’s why we made two-step verification mandatory,"

Hopefully, you didn't use sms as 2steps :).

Sparkyte• 4 years ago

Assuming Ring cameras are the problem in this is part of the issue. The big issue is keeping your account unsecured and basically granting some psychopath access to your home.

ngcc_hk• 4 years ago

At least USA can charge USA hacker. Imagine it is chinese or Russian hackers. Yes you can push to national security level etc etc. but at the end of the day can you push charge to a firm there or hacker there in most cases.

For security related matter like it or not it has to be traceable to USA or worst EU or UK.

Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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