Dune Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xhJrPXop4

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0-_-0• 6 years ago

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

peter303• 6 years ago

Chalamet's Paul seems to lack the unshakeable self-confidence of McLaughlin's Paul from the few seconds I saw in the trailer. Paul should not wince during gob-jabber. Nor should he grimace in pain or fear in battle.

SQueeeeeL• 6 years ago

Isn't the whole point to Paul is that he realizes how screwed he is about half way through book 1 (causing space genocide) and just endlessly runs from his own destiny and hides away in his castle for all of book 2.

rcarmo• 6 years ago

technically, he actually hid away by faking his death and traipsing around as a blind beggar, but I see your point about "hiding" in plain sight :)

mustntmumble• 6 years ago

In the book it described Paul feeling almost unbearable pain, almost to the point where he was pushed too far, but the Priestess turned off the gom-jabbar just in time. Wincing was the last of Pauls problems at that moment... Paul was not a cold robotic person - he was subject to great emotions all the way through the book.

Also: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QrCfivcQe48/hqdefault.jpg

stevekemp3• 6 years ago

In the book it is revealed that the tester gave him _more_ pain than she'd ever used on any previous test. She almost wanted him to fail.

otachack2• 6 years ago

Just a note: the gom jabbar is the poisonous needle while the box was the pain component of the humanity test.

jariel5• 6 years ago

Yes, what you are sensing is something much deeper though.

People are much less serious and more affable, gregarious than they were even 50 years ago - and it comes out in everything, dialogue, disposition. You can tell immediately, before they say a line, it's how they stand, and in their faces.

Go and look at 'Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin' - the big baddie from from Star Wars who very confidently dismissed and told off Darth Vader ("Enough of this. Vader, release him!"). This guy would embody the quasi-aristocratic head of say, the East India Company Governor back in the day. A kind of cold, callous, calculating CEO, who's involved in war, blood, serious repercussions etc.. English stage actors have the ability to do this. Most of the cast of Lynch's Dune were well trained actors, and Kyle MacLachlan just had a very special air about him.

specialist• 6 years ago

Chalamet's Hal in The King is just perfect. He's the only reason I'm interested in watching this Dune.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7984766/

metroholografix• 6 years ago

All the Villeneuve movies that I've seen, whilst technically impressive, lack something fundamental and come across as sterile.

In Tarkovskian terms, they have no soul.

This looks to be more of the same.

cdmckay• 6 years ago

I feel all his movies post-Arrival have that feeling. Before that I loved his work.

orange3xchicken2• 6 years ago

In contrast, I have really enjoyed & have found many things likable abt all his movies.

Also worth noting that afaik, all his movies post-Arrival just consists of BR2049.

forgot_account• 6 years ago

Sterile and soulless? Even Sicario?

copperx• 6 years ago

Especially Sicario.

xiaolingxiao2• 6 years ago

Even blade runner? I felt like it was quite impactful from an emotional level. He does approach subjects where the characters are rational though.

bmitc• 6 years ago

Have you seen any of his movies prior to Arrival and Sicario?

Incendies, Enemy, and Prisoners are all quite emotional in distinct ways. Although, I personally feel Arrival was definitely emotional in its own way.

mav3rick• 6 years ago

I loved Sicario (1 only). Arrival was decent. Prisoners was great !

zeruch• 6 years ago

Enemy is seriously underrated, and was better than I anticipated given the source material (Saramago books are deeply eccentric).

bscphil• 6 years ago

In Tarkovskian terms, they have no soul.

Isn't that basically true of every modern mainstream director? I can't think of anyone I would call Tarkovskian.

whilst technically impressive, lack something fundamental and come across as sterile.

I try not to be curmudgeonly about big-budget filmmaking - I don't think there's anything inherently bad about it, but surely there's some truth to the idea that Villeneuve "sold out" starting with Sicario, right? I'd say Prisoners, Enemy, Incendies, and Polytechnique are all extremely good films, but they're precisely the ones that most people haven't seen. I don't think there's any way you could call those films "sterile", though Enemy certainly has a dry intellectual air to it.

I think what you might be latching onto is the aesthetic of Villeneuve's films. They tend to be gritty and realistic, which can read as soulless but I don't think it's quite the same thing. Calling a movie soulless speaks to its (lack of) spiritual / emotive vision, and while none of his films have the slow pacing of a Tarkovsky or their sense for atmosphere, I would say his early movies (and probably BR2049) don't lack a vision. They have something they want to say, and that message isn't a nihilistic or misanthropic one.

rv-de• 6 years ago

Thought the same - the trailer came across as dull. Especially after having seen Alejandro Jodorowsky explain in this documentary what he envisioned with it the trailer seems like yet another self-indulgent Hollywood movie.

credit_guy• 6 years ago

The trailer ends with "Only in Theaters". What does this mean? Did Warner Bros decide to wait it out until theaters open again, or this was just an oversight ?

shishy• 6 years ago

Moves are coming out in Theatres, not sure if people are going... I think Tenet came out recently

saberdancer• 6 years ago

I'm in EU, I watched Tenet in theatre. It's a nice experience, lot of room, very few people, you can order everything online. They even reserve an empty seat on each side of your tickets to help with social distancing.

withinboredom• 6 years ago

Theaters have been open where I live in the EU for quite some time. I haven't been, and capacity is reduced (to provide proper spacing), but they're open.

incog_nit0• 6 years ago

Noticed that Paul Atreides says 'There's a crusade coming' in the trailer. In the book they specifically use the word 'jihad' repeatedly and the book draws from a variety of influences in the Middle East. I hope they haven't toned things down too much for a modern audience. Part of what made the book so special was its vocabulary.

jhallenworld• 6 years ago

Perhaps saying that the Missionaria Protectiva is behind Christian instead of Islamic beliefs is more provocative..

But I agree with you about the vocabulary. I recommend George Alec Effinger's Marîd Audran series for more of this..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Gravity_Fails

tstrimple• 6 years ago

Effinger started work on a fourth Audran novel, Word of Night, but died before that work was completed.

I've had enough unfinished sci-fi epics for the year thank you.

xiaolingxiao2• 6 years ago

Yeah I caught that too. The whole book was a critique of colonialism, unsustainable capitalism, and deconstruction of the white savior complex. I hope he doesn’t shy away from these subjects.

rchase• 6 years ago

Nice catch. No judgment yet, but feels like bowdlerization to me.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowdlerize

jariel5• 6 years ago

My very first thought when they were doing this remake was literally that word.

There are times when words change for PC reasons, but this isn't one of them. 'Jihad' is a very potent word in the modern lexicon and it would just be unnecessarily out of bounds to use it. It would have the wrong context and be a huge distraction.

'Crusade' is fine, and not 'unPC' because it has Christian connotations, so few care, and creatively perfectly fine ... but I feel is actually a little hypocritical in a sense to use it, in lieu of 'Jihad'. But it's a hard word to replace.

Already, the culture wars are starting, with industry people on Twitter indicating this is a 'move about Middle Eastern culture with no Middle Eastern Actors' type thing, comparisons to 'God's of Egypt' - when of course, this is definitely not a movie about 'the Middle East' rather, that's only one of many cultural artifacts borrowed for the setting.

As for the trailer:

The music is absolutely terrible, it's going to ruin the film for me.

Otherwise, it looks 'contemporary' i.e. it will be 'good' but not 'timeless'. David Lynch's version was a 'flawed masterpiece' - the characters really embodied the 'realpolitik baroque noir' of the book. David Lynch used a lot of serious actors with stage backgrounds, who could also evoke and embody the very cold 'old world' callousness of the nobility. Jason Momoa does not.

In the trailer there are just too many standard Hollywood, familiar faces, Timothy Chatalet feels like a 'regular gen Z kid', relatable, but doesn't have the 'weight of the soul' on his mind.

The aesthetic is 'of the Villeneuve style' but it's definitely not exciting or novel, I feel Villeneuve & Co. have 'operationalized' their schtick and it lacks enthusiasm.

If we can judge from the trailer it will be 'passable' for most fans and regular people, but it won't be great at all.

I predict this will be about as good as his Blade Runner remake.

I am disappointed because there is huge opportunity for creative expansion - instead of 'standard remake for 2020' they could have actually tried some art.

solipsism• 6 years ago

"flawed masterpiece"? Even David Lynch himself hates his Dune. This (God) emperor has no clothes.

stevekemp3• 6 years ago

The music is absolutely terrible, it's going to ruin the film for me.

Music can be very polarizing, but once I recognized the Pink Floyd I thought it was a perfect track for the trailer.

pauladunesauce• 6 years ago

I can’t completely blame the writers. Since Dune was written, a few things such as 9/11 have happened. Radical Islamic terrorism was nowhere near what it ultimately became after the book for dune was released in 1965.

Prior to 9/11, I think the majority of the public probably had a very different association with the word “jihad.” It pretty much conjures the image of crazy bearded Muslims in Afghanistan strapping bombs to themselves and blowing things up.

That image simply does not describe precisely what happens in the book. I think the word “jihad” also creates a jarring interruption and a distraction also.

“What the hell, why is this white guy talking about jihad?” It feels like a non sequiter and a distraction. Do white people jihad things? What???

The media will jump on it and start calling this a racist tv show which perpetuates stereotypes. It’s also cultural appropriation by modern standards, which are crazy.

HBO has had a HUGE blowback to Game Of Thrones on this topic in a dozen ways. I think the blowback was so bad they changed their entire programming to be more diverse and inclusive (Watchmen, Lovecraft Etc). George Martin has been constantly pestered with questions from concerned audiences about white saviors and other such things.

Long story short, the term jihad is an unwelcome distraction, too loaded, opens HBO to criticism they don’t want and it doesn’t accurately describe precisely what happens in the book.

I think crusade is correct and doesn’t create this interruption.

valuearb• 6 years ago

That huge blowback helped make GOT the most popular cable show of all time. I’ll bet they’d love similar blowback over Dune.

PeterStuer3• 6 years ago

Try mentioning "crusade" in an online game when playing with Turks.

boxed• 6 years ago

Crusade conjures images of Knights in armor. Not really what happens in the book either.

Jihad is just as accurate as crusade imo.

mariodiana• 6 years ago

A little less than 25 years ago I was in college and knew a young lady by the name Jihad. I wonder what she did.

dragonwriter• 6 years ago

“Crusade” and “jihad” (other than in the particular religion of origin) have pretty much identical denotation, connotation, and cultural baggage.

The idea that “jihad” has problems that “crusade” does not is pretty exactly the same problem that you point to HBO getting in trouble for in regard to Game of Thrones, so it is super ironic that you present the narrative you do as a defensive reaction to the blowback from GoT.

wojciii• 6 years ago

I had the impression that the Fremen were based on the middle Eastern stereotype male. This was a great use of the word Jihad to describe. The culture needed a focus point and the Atreides family provided one by manipulating their beliefs.

Jihad was also used to describe the past where thinking machines (AI) was destroyed in a tech smashing jihad which lead to the world of the books without AI.

While I liked the books 20 years ago .. I think that the previous Dune movies were really bad and I'm going to give the new movie a chance. Even without being true to the books and somewhat politically correct.

SigmundA2• 6 years ago

I mean I get the debate going around about using "crusade" instead of "jihad" but straight from the books appendices:

JIHAD: a religious crusade; fanatical crusade.
JIHAD, BUTLERIAN: (see also Great Revolt)—the crusade against computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots begun in 201 B.G. and concluded in 108 B.G.

craftinator• 6 years ago

It might be a fun project to go through the movie after its release and bleep out every politically charged word or phrase. I really do hate this reductionism.

vb6sp6• 6 years ago

it might also be fun project to see the film first before getting "offended"

Balgair2• 6 years ago

I thought the jihad that Paul fears is part of the 'great enemy' to humanity, not the fremen. The fear of that jihad/crusade/great-enemy is what gets Leto going on the Golden Path and the eventual scattering of mankind.

https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/The_Golden_Path

AndrewBissell• 6 years ago

Muad'Dib fears the jihad he himself would unleash on the universe, and can't find a way to stop without ceasing his own quest for power.

The 'great enemy' that Leto tries to forestall is sometimes called Kralizec and isn't necessarily explained in detail, although there are hints it would be some kind of Ixian hunter-killer assassination machines which run out of control, and hunt down all of humanity which is within view of prescient sight. Hence, the Scattering and Leto's breeding program to create humans invisible to prescience so that humanity could never again be vulnerable to extinction from any such threat.

ilaksh• 6 years ago

For some reason I don't remember Dune being about a massive war.

mprev• 6 years ago

The first novel is the build up to a massive war.

fjfaase• 6 years ago

And Herbert skips over all the details of that massive war. You go from one chapter describing the start of the war to the next chapter of Alia standing before Baron when most of the action has taken place. Anyway, that is at the end of the novel, which will not be included in this movie. So, I guess the clips shown are from the arrival on Arrakis and the battle that took place during the night to overthrow the Artreidies, which in the book is described as a relatively short battle and also not in much detail.

dugditches• 6 years ago

Not really digging it.

Really liked Lynch's, even though it's a bit off in a few aspects(weirding way changes, trying to 1:1 a book:movie, etc). But just the amount of passion and effort that went into it(costumes, practical effects, sets, etc). How strange and unique everything was and looked.

This really just feels like a SciFi paintjob on a modern SuperHero movie. Kind of sterile.

Also not really feeling the StillSuit's looking like motorcycle and airsoft gear slapped together. Versus the old rubber looking ones in the original.

petermcneeley• 6 years ago

It is the dialog. There is not one drop of Dune in it.

orange3xchicken2• 6 years ago

I'm not sure I agree. They have taken some liberties with the dialogue, but many of the quotes in the trailer are near-direct from the novel. Anyways this seems like something that would be hard to tell from what little the trailer offered in terms of talking.

Just from the trailer, this seems like it will at least be more faithful to the source than the Lynch version.

almostdeadguy• 6 years ago

Totally agree, this looks like it'll be missing everything that's weird and wonderful about Dune.

Lynch's Dune can be bewildering coming at it without the context of the book, but that aspect of it is frankly just something you get used to with Lynch's works, and like you said its filled with so much oddness and detail. The hulking Heighliner spacecrafts, the mutated ghoulish guild navigator, the fascinating cave-like imperial palace set, the manic cyst-covered Harkonnens. I've never understood why it gets a bad rap, I think it's a hugely underrated film that did a wonderful job capturing the strange universe of Dune.

TinkersW2• 6 years ago

It captured some aspects of the books, but diverged heavily in some baffling ways..

1. Everything with the Harkonnens is gross, it wasn't like that in the books. This aspect alone made the movie hard to take serious.

2. the stupid blaster guns that were added

3. the ending was complete nonsense and did not come from the book

Not sure how you can say this new movie is missing stuff, it appears to be a much more accurate retelling of the book to me.

kinghtown4• 6 years ago

I’m thinking it will be a pretty good movie based on Villeneuve‘s track record but I’m betting this bigger budget will bring on more studio story experts and general meddling and in the end we’ll get another genre movie with touches of good taste decisions (Trailer does have very nice cinematography/lighting and the sand worm looks good) mixed with watered down/familiar design and formulaic story beats. I think the movie will shoot itself in the foot by trying to make everyone happy. It seems like it will be a well-made film that no one seems to love.

The Pink Floyd cover doesn’t work for me either.

scoutt2• 6 years ago

I mostly agree, but one disappointment with the 1984 movie I remember were the Sardaukar suits. Seemed rushed and not fear-inducing as they should be.

zxwx• 6 years ago

Lynch's Dune never looked so good! The actors were fully committed, whereas those in the trailer look like they're just reading the lines. No conviction. Guess we'll see if that holds in the full film.

Lynch's version also had an unbeatable cast: the Baron, the Reverend Mother, both mentats, Sting in his finest moment as Feyd Rautha, Kyle MacLachlan, etc. Throw in the sets and costumes and it's a tough act to follow. It would have benefitted from another hour, but so it goes.

Plus, those sandworm teeth in the trailer just don't look like they'd make a good crysknife.

It would have been nice to see what Lynch made of Return of the Jedi, which he apparently turned down for this, but I'm glad he made Dune.

Havoc• 6 years ago

That seems promising. Couple of odd bits, but to be expected I guess.

gautamcgoel• 6 years ago

The sandworms look amazing. I really like how they have these wispy "tusks" in their mouths instead of teeth.

willcipriano2• 6 years ago

I've always felt you can't do Dune in a single movie, the world is just too big. I'd say it has to be a minimum of two or three parts to really tell the story.

nutshell89• 6 years ago

This film will cover the first half of the first book in the saga.

willcipriano2• 6 years ago

ahh great, that will improve things I think. The first movie attempt just felt so rushed and skipped over so many details.

defterGoose• 6 years ago

Ironically, every sci-fi pundit will tell you that you shouldn't read a book in the trilogy after the first one.

PeterStuer3• 6 years ago

Agree. I read them decades ago and while the first book is a masterpiece, the rest of the series is pretty bad.

blackrock• 6 years ago

To be honest, the premise of the story is pretty retarded.

Control of the galaxy is determined by intergalactic space travel, and to do that, you need “The Spice”, which is the shit from these giant sand worms, that are tamed by the locals of that planet.

Then, to add further suspension of disbelief, you have a guild of these space folding specialists that uses the power of their brains to conjure up the space warp travel, because apparently a computer system couldn’t handle the complexity of the physics of space travel. The whole premise falls apart, and dwells in nonsense.

I can’t imagine what is so good about this story, except that it is some space soap opera from a lost generation trying to make its mark.

scoutt2• 6 years ago

because apparently a computer system couldn’t handle the complexity of the physics of space travel

IIRC there is a reason for that: most computer systems were destroyed and their use, banned.

tenbino• 6 years ago

It’s fiction, not a documentary.

SigmundA2• 6 years ago

Sorry to me its actually a pretty good premise that was ahead of its time when written in the 60's.

It was interesting and very different to imagine a far future where there is great technology but no "thinking machines" due to a previous human machine war (Butlerian Jihad). You see this concept reused in later sci-fi (Terminator, The Matrix). Then exploring how you could replace computers with the human mind given some help (spice).

sreekotay• 6 years ago

You're misremembering (or didn't follow far enough to get?) a few things.

The spice prolongs life, in a way they are unable to replicate or otherwise export production of. Production of the Spice also is devastating to the ecology of Arrakis (nee Dune). The natives haven't tamed the worms - but do co-exist with them. The Houses exploit both however, and the planet itself.

The guild navigators value is NOT they can perform computations machines cannot - it's NOT a complexity problem. Some spoilers so I will be oblique, but their ability is tied directly to what the Bene Gesserit are trying to breed. And to what Paul is/his abilities are. It's inherently an "organic"/meat-puppet power - as it is implied it's tied to forebears and progeny...

And finally, as noted, there is a deeply held proscription against "thinking machines" due to an... event. This actually isn't HUGELY relevant, but allows Herbert to eschew futorology in favor of his allegory.

The story's GREAT :) (especially up to and including Book 4, which completes a full arc.)

schwartzworld2• 6 years ago

Computers are illegal in Dune. Also the guild navigators are prescient from constantly ingesting spice.

Also the whole setup is obviously allegorical. There was an oil shortage in the 70s, so the setup was a play on that.

dusted• 6 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZPZGq3Zy8

1984 version looks better, even in the side-by-side trailer. I'll just watch that one again.

schwartzworld2• 6 years ago

Have you read the books? The Lunch version is fun and weird, but it butchers the story line. The miniseries with William Hurt is way better.

hbosch• 6 years ago

The designer David Rudnick has a term he uses for this aesthetic of modern sci-fi: "future without art"[0]. The hazy, dark, washed out palettes being used the portray the concept of "dystopian future" are truly underwhelming and I think he term makes sense -- why must ALL modern sci-fi movies just be mixtures of shiny plastic and grime? It makes me appreciate Luc Besson so much more.

0. https://twitter.com/David_Rudnick/status/1249834809138053121

Dowwie• 6 years ago

The Dune subreddit community (/r/dune) organized a discord server featuring two reading clubs that will begin book 1 very soon. One club is for first timers and the other for those who are re-reading and potentially spoiling in discussion. There's something unusual about this and thought it was worth sharing here. People are very passionate about the Dune stories and are desperate for a remake worthy of the book. I hope that the film can meet expectations.

stevekemp3• 6 years ago

The 1984 trailer, for comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwPTIEWTYEI

TinkersW2• 6 years ago

Looks promising, hope covid19 doesn't kill any chance of the 2nd half of the book being filmed :/

Mobius01• 6 years ago

One aspect of the original novel: Frank Herbert is rather terse on his descriptions of the environment, world and universe, leaving a lot for the reader to imagine. He excels at world building without being prescriptive, I think it’s a strength in the novel and allows for a certain timelessness.

Lynch’s film production design was pulled out of nowhere and it isn’t any more accurate than Villeneuve’s. It just has a more direct relation between the subject - a future space feudal society - which most people correlate with pomp and elaborate visual motifs.

In fact, if you consider the only visual work based on Dune that Herbert himself endorsed, it recalls the the newer film more than the baroque aesthetics of the former - the work of John Schoenherr for an illustrated edition of the novel: http://ski-ffy.blogspot.com/2010/08/illustrated-dune.html

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