The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

https://2019.phpce.eu/en/

by msq • 7 years ago

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orzi• 7 years ago

This is insane.

toxik5• 7 years ago

Do metal working conferences cancel due to a lack of female participation? Getting women into the mix is nice, but... it’s computer science?

nl3• 7 years ago

I've done some work in (metal) mining, and I can say that absolutely has female speakers at conferences.

toxik5• 7 years ago

I feel like you missed the point of the analogy by taking it too literally.

sp33211• 7 years ago

The reason given was that only one woman submitted a proposal from over 250 submissions.

Lots of discussion on twitter about how talks were chosen. Not many brought up the fact that the submissions process itself was apparently broken.

abeisgreat3• 7 years ago

If you read through the second link he mentions how he tried to work with the organizers to improve their submission process and reach more diverse speakers and they opted not to.

ngngngng2• 7 years ago

That's not what I read, I read in the second link that he wanted to cancel a bunch of the male speakers, and then have everyone work like mad to reach out to women to come speak. That's not a submission process at all. That's outreach.

mpweiher3• 7 years ago

How “broken”?

sp33211• 7 years ago

After a couple minutes of research, the lowest number I could find for women in CS was from https://web.archive.org/web/20141221112502/http://floss2013.... Without getting into how accurate it is, I'm just taking it as a very conservative estimate that 10% of OSS software programmers are women. So out of 250 submissions, we'd expect about 25 of them to be from women if the sample is unbiased. And the odds of having only one woman would be... not sure if I did this exactly right but something like (0.1 * (0.9 ^ 249) ) * 250 = 10 ^ -10. Kinda looks like the submission process was biased.

mopsi• 7 years ago

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mattigames2• 7 years ago

Instead of every of them recommending a woman for one of the time slots at the conference or any non-white-male they just throw a fit like spoiled kids and say they are not going until someone else fixes the issue at hand for them, this kind of behavior is one of the things that deepens the gap between people in favor of diversity everywhere not by increasing diversity but alienating people that think different and considering that as a win.

abeisgreat3• 7 years ago

If you read the second post linked he tried very hard to help. He encouraged multiple solutions, offered to help from his experience and they opted not to take the help.

mattigames2• 7 years ago

The answer to this is summarized pretty well by another comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20797869

Still, a mature adult would have recommended someone for the next version of conference and if all points out your recommendation is being taken seriously you do your part and deliver your conference in the current version.

sp33211• 7 years ago

It's not weird to hold the conference organizers accountable for organizing a conference badly.

xrd• 7 years ago

You sound really frustrated with this outcome.

What would you propose those speakers do differently?

A follow up question: why do you say that would be more effective than what they did?

(And, I would ask you, is that something that still maintains their commitment to diversity, since they all mentioned that was more important than speaking opportunities?)

EdwardDiego2• 7 years ago

What would you propose those speakers do differently?

I always find in life that you get better traction when you approach people with a solution instead of just a problem.

So perhaps they could've said "Hey, I think it'd be good to increase speaker diversity, and I really recommend person X, she's amazing at Y, I could approach her and ask if you'd like?"

Instead of just yelling "There's not enough women!"

jasonlotito3• 7 years ago

Except they were willing to help with that. They were willing to help and contribute financially.

larkeith5• 7 years ago

That's a shame, but I can't say I disagree with the two blog posts linked in the page. Such speaker lineups only exacerbate the lack of diversity in tech, and, given the prior year's lineup, the organizers had the opportunity to work on outreach this year. Hopefully a new conference will supersede this one (if there's not already alternatives, I'm unfamiliar with the PHP community).

Props to the speakers who stood up for their values.

Yver3• 7 years ago

Wouldn't it be better to leave outreach programs to outreach groups? This is a conference about programming and "single responsibility principle" is a fairly popular concept there.

pluma3• 7 years ago

From one techie to another: people aren't code. We're not rational actors in a vacuum, treating us like we are is a leaky abstraction that will break in prod.

The problem isn't simply "there aren't enough women", the problem is "we only hear from the same group of people with similar lived experiences". The problem is self-reinforcing: because women are underrepresented at those events, they're not attending those events, thus becoming more underrepresented and ultimately marginalised.

Ironically a good solution for that is having more "women's events". Women-only events to strengthen the marginalised group, women-presenting-but-open-to-all-attendees events to settle in and finally quotas in general events to counteract the bias.

Except this is not only true for women but for all marginalised groups.

larkeith5• 7 years ago

I would suggest that the SRP applied here would be organizers calling outreach groups to assist with application diversity. Real-life activities have side-effects which should be mitigated, such as nonrepresentational conferences reinforcing gender disparities in tech.

cdubzzz• 7 years ago

Tangentially related, the second post linked in that announcement is from Larry Garfield, who was involved in some PHP/Drupal controversy a few years back — https://www.sonyaellenmann.com/2017/10/drupal-gor-ayelet.htm...

toxik5• 7 years ago

What a fascinating set of characters, and what fortitude it must take to go public with such an unorthodox relationship while being a public character. I find it difficult to change my hairstyle and letting my colleagues know.

numakerg3• 7 years ago

I'm reading through the Twitter thread, but I can't decipher the exact issue(s).

Did the organizers select a lower ratio of diverse speakers than applicants? Were there very few diverse applicants and the organizers decided none of them qualified?

sp33211• 7 years ago

Twitter is never a great forum to discuss issues that need context. The two blog posts lay things out more clearly.

numakerg3• 7 years ago

I saw Mark's point about 1/250 but I couldn't locate the statement from the organizers. Larry says a number of speakers offered to swap their double sessions for more female speakers, but would those new speakers be the single applicant or other speakers who hadn't applied.

Regardless, the conference organizers are at least partially responsible for lack of diverse applicants if their speakers were able to find candidates on short notice.

larkeith5• 7 years ago

From the second and third links (both blog posts rather than Twitter), only 1 out of 250+ submissions was from a woman, so the latter. Presumably a similar situation occurred in 2018, as there was a single female speaker out of the 39-person lineup.

numakerg3• 7 years ago

only 1 out of 250+ submissions was from a woman

Mark didn't cite a source for this, which is what I was looking for in the Twitter thread.

curiousgal2• 7 years ago

As a woman I find it pretty damn objectifying for someone to withdraw from a conference because it has no female speakers. Why should anyone care about anything other than php in a php conference?

abeisgreat3• 7 years ago

Well one way to think about it is to view the current structure (one of male dominated events) is already enforcing a system that isn't just about PHP. It's a structure where we put men on stage and leave (a few) women to silently sit in the back. The attempts by speakers and organisers to level this field is trying to get the events to just be about PHP. However they realize that things are very off balance already and without push back we'll continue to enforce a technological patriarchy. The only way to make things just about the tech is to address these things, however painful, and rebuild an environment where women feel equally accepted, respected, and praised.

curiousgal2• 7 years ago

Do all men feel accepted, respected, and praised just because they are men? No, the ones that do have earned it. Like so, I personally would like to get invited to give a talk only because I am the best person out there who can do so on the topic at hand, not because some organizers feel like they have some sort of obligation to be politically correct.

larvaetron• 7 years ago

It's a structure where we put men on stage and leave (a few) women to silently sit in the back.

That's quite a bold claim. Can you delineate this "structure", since you seem confident that the organizers are making use of it to be certain that women won't be able to participate?

neffy2• 7 years ago

No it's a bit more than that. The assumption is that there are no qualified women, so an unqualified woman has to be put up to meet a quota.

But there are actually qualified women. Putting up unqualified candidates to meet some notional quota is the best possible way of enforcing the status quo.

nf8nnfufuu8• 7 years ago

It's not "a structure", there just happen to be few women willing to speak at such events.

hombre_fatal• 7 years ago

Even worse is when my girlfriend voiced a similar concern about a hacker meeting here in Mexico about how obsessed they seemed to be about getting women speakers at any cost instead of focusing on good content. She was basically told she only thought that way because she was brainwashed by men and didn’t actually believe what she was saying, though I'm embellishing a bit for succinctness.

How do you even argue with some who dismisses you like that?

They were basically approaching her to give a talk at an event here known for advanced technical topics even though she was at hello world level ability with React, and she felt very uncomfortable how persistent they were and it was obviously straight pussy pass.

dmix2• 7 years ago

People find ways to ruin all good things. Even something like helping women feel more welcome in the industry.

They always seem to have a high representation among authority figures at conferences for some reason.

duaoebg• 7 years ago

It's a virtue signal in an industry that demands it.

A weird but predictable side effect of using affirmative action to promote women is that statistically attendees will see female presenters as worse. (Availably heuristic / selection criteria bias).

htk• 7 years ago

You're living in what I hope is the future. The present is a lot weirder than that.

sdinsn• 7 years ago

Seriously, it's pretty offensive. They are treating women like props, and they just want women to be present so they can feel inclusive.

trhway• 7 years ago

They are treating women like props, and they just want women to be present so they can feel inclusive.

May be they are afraid of the alternative - being branded as non-inclusive, male-chauvinistic, etc. if they don't bring enough women to make the quota sufficient enough to avoid the branding (as we've seen such branding is no joke in the modern environment and can be painfully damaging when it comes to real things like employment/etc).

mises2• 7 years ago

I wish more people realized that if you want to increase representation of a population, you're looking at the wrong part of the pipeline by trying to get more of that group at the conference (beyond a reasonable effort). If some one is passionate about increasing that group, it makes much more sense to try to address this at the educational stage.

You won't magically increase the number of women in tech by opening conference spots. Conference spots are open to at least somewhat-experienced people who already are committed to the industry, and no one joins to speak at a conference.

bonoboTP4• 7 years ago

The idea is that to increase the number of girls in the beginning of the pipeline, they need to see a path ahead, see role models and not feel weird about their career choice. This needs to be done in many parts of the pipeline at once.

jasonlotito3• 7 years ago

As a woman I find it pretty damn objectifying for someone to withdraw from a conference because it has no female speakers.

Good thing that's not why they are withdrawing from the conference. Specifically, they are pulling out because the conference wasn't even wiling to work with them to find a more diverse speaker lineup. If nothing came out of that, then they would have gone. But the conference didn't even do that.

Why should anyone care about anything other than php in a php conference?

Then PHPCE wouldn't have been for you, along with all the other tech conferences I've attended, as they generally had talks that weren't strictly PHP.

pflenker• 7 years ago

Also, the conference was not cancelled because the speakers withdrew - it was cancelled because ticket sales plummeted after the speakers withdrew. One could argue that people where following the discussions and voted with their feet.

gurkendoktor• 7 years ago

Then PHPCE wouldn't have been for you, along with all the other tech conferences I've attended, as they generally had talks that weren't strictly PHP.

I couldn't find the (now cancelled) schedule for 2019, but to be fair it looks like PHPCE was a very focused conference: https://2018.phpce.eu/de/#agenda

Compare that with the holistic schedule of RubyConf, for example: http://rubyconf.org/schedule

sequoia• 7 years ago

noir_lord• 7 years ago

I sometimes think they value signalling over actually constructively working to fix things.

I’m moderate and think that anyone who wants to should program for a living should but stuff like this hurts my head enough I don’t engage with them on Twitter as it results in a mud slinging match that nothing improves from.

It’s frankly tiring seeing the same crap repeated ad nauseum.

bonoboTP4• 7 years ago

This whole topic is something I'd never touch or even begin to discuss in public. It's very easy to put a negative spin on anything one might say. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. In today's algorithmic sort-by-controversial outrage culture, they will crucify you for anything and its opposite. It's the wisest to just switch the topic as fast as you can when it comes up.

seneca• 7 years ago

From the Twitter thread:

“Everyone has the same chances” is the exact problem. What are you doing to elevate women and POC? How are you showing your support as an ally and actively encouraging access to these “equal chances”?!

These people have gone off the deep end. If you aren't actively following their political playbook you're to be shouted down. You can't even just opt out of participation in their crusade, if you're not elevating their chosen classes you're as good as the Klan.

This is a tech event, not a political rally.

toxik5• 7 years ago

Spare yourself the headache of reading politically charged debates on Twitter. It’s been a megaphone war platform since day one. Shout the loudest to win. I think it’s a real shame to cancel what seems like a useful conference for an undesirable truth about their demography.

dmix2• 7 years ago

Preferring to have nothing at all if things aren't exactly how they like them is quite common in that ideology.

As long as there are no good alternatives that fit their perfectionist ideological worldview then no one can have fun or live their life without constant disruption.

bonoboTP4• 7 years ago

And then you can start counting gays and trans people, and disabilities and their intersections.

It's a shame though because these groups do face actual hardships but I don't get the impression that the Twitter warriors are actually interested in how they fare, outside of scoring virtue points by being up to date on all these privilege topics. In my experience those who do real work for underrepresented groups are usually pleasant people tolerating opposing views and they don't search for the least charitable interpretation to get offended by, unlike how it looks on Twitter and Reddit.

ngngngng2• 7 years ago

we always struggled to get women from outside of Drupal to submit to that track, despite Drupal itself having a relatively large female population. We actively reached out to women both in the PHP community and local to the event and still sometimes had no submissions from women

^^ From the second link, blog post about a guy dropping out.

I'm so lost. So this guy drops out because the organizers won't go to great lengths to find women, and then admits that in his own experience it is sometimes completely impossible to find women speakers.

I think we're missing the forest for the trees here.

lallysingh• 7 years ago

Great lengths? What "great lengths" were they asked to do here?

shkkmo8• 7 years ago

Sadly from what the organizers told me they actively don't want to do outreach, and just let whoever wants to submit submit.
If they had tried and were unsuccessful I'd be more forgiving, but you need to at least try. And when multiple speakers offer to work with you to reduce costs so that you can at least try, that should be taken seriously.

It sounds like he took issue with what he took as a complete lack of effort in trying to solicit submissions from women.

I think that is quite reasonable, especially since he went out of his way to frame this as a "way to improve" rather than a "reason to hate"

hinkley2• 7 years ago

I don't think anyone appreciates how goddamned difficult it is to run an organization, especially a volunteer one, well.

If you belong to a group, especially one that hosts events at least once a year, and you feel like it's run "adequately well", it's probably run better than 95% of the organizations out there. Head and shoulders above. You should take the time to thank the organizers for doing as well as they do. It's like being a member of the City Council, only you get paid even less (dollars or influence).

esotericn• 7 years ago

Tangent that may be relevant here.

I used to be involved in access work for those from underprivileged backgrounds.

It's very difficult to get poor kids to apply to University even if they have the grades, for reasons I expect are pretty similar (social environment, not 'fitting in', having few role models, etc).

Going back further - tons of them simply don't have the grades or skills, because they weren't interested early on, or weren't supported, or whatever else.

They fall behind at an early age. They're stuck in an environment that doesn't support them.

Changing the statistical makeup of people at that sort of level - at the end of the funnel, after all of the filtering - is really difficult. You need good reason to do so. It's still not clear to me that it actually makes sense - is the world actually better off if half the Ivies are made of poor kids, or have you just shuffled around status (is it zero sum)? Do you get better results - what are the better results you're looking for?

This stuff is difficult.

nikofeyn• 7 years ago

This stuff is difficult.

i don’t think it’s that difficult. the government finds a way to spends billions and trillions of dollars on tons of stuff that has no meaningful impact. if the government cared, they would increase the budgets of schools to fund good teachers’ salaries. if i could pull a six figure salary teaching, i would do it in a heartbeat. but there’s no way i would teach in this current educational environment. hyper focus on standardized testing and curriculum, which also needs to be changed, seems suffocating.

mysterydip• 7 years ago

How would you change the hyper focus on standardized testing and curriculum? That comes at the administrative or local/state/national political level, doesn't it?

DannyBee• 7 years ago

These are very complex systems with lots of variables and interdependencies/connections between the variables.

Suggesting that simple, direct, change of the variable that has direct linkage to pretty much all other parts of the system, will achieve some specific result, is almost certainly wrong.

In fact, pretty much every mechanism taught of how to effect change in large scale systems says not to do that.

In this case, this is pretty easy to see - As an example - If you could pull six figures teaching, everyone would want to teach, regardless of whether they should or not.

Solutions to this have obvious affects on other things

(IE increasing credential requirements, or performance reviews ...).

These in turn have effects on other parts of the system, ...

If you really think this is just simple, i'd suggest looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system#Complexity_mana... and going from there.

HarryHirsch2• 7 years ago

to follow up on that: at the high end universities do make an effort to recruit clever kids from underprivileged backgrounds, and they implement programs to bring them up to speed; there are pre-freshmen programs, summer classes, supplement lectures, peer mentorship, &c pp. It actually works.

That said, what is the focus on individual diversity good for? It's the system that holds people back, and as the parent poster says, no amount of individual effort at the end of the funnel is going to make any difference.

protomyth2• 7 years ago

high end universities do make an effort to recruit clever kids from underprivileged backgrounds

I'll believe that when I see recruiters from high end universities out on the reservations in the US, but I guess imposters are easier.

gmueckl2• 7 years ago

I agree that this stuff is difficult, but you are seeing things fron a US-centric perspective. Different societies and different cultures have different root causes and mechanisms that create similar inequalities.

o_p• 7 years ago

Women are too smart to use php

tiku2• 7 years ago

We as men like crude tools.

conradfr2• 7 years ago

Ahah. And yet they seem more present in that mad front end JavaScript world.

tiku2• 7 years ago

What group will be offended next year..

xtracto• 7 years ago

What I find hilarious os that all this storm is coming from a group if men, as well as the vast majority of comments here in HN. Men trying to rationalise something related to women.

Would be good to hear female voices in here... why was there only 1 application?

Having studied in an all boys school, this looks to me as the times when me and my friends would get together to discuss how to approach a girl, or what would girls like. As you grow and mature, you understand that you only have to ask THEM, same as you would ask a random guy.

nf8nnfufuu8• 7 years ago

So how to find women who decided not to apply to the conference?

LudwigNagasena3• 7 years ago

All of these people are so brave when "taking a stand" doesn't hurt their wallets and they seem comfortable to let millions of people live in poverty as long as female poc quotas are met.

They could donate to software engineering schools in poor districts in their home countries or developing countries, but they decided to do something absolutely meaningless that benefits noone.

I would suggest every person who finds this behaviour acceptable to look towards Effective Altruism (https://www.effectivealtruism.org/) and drop this ridiculoius posturing.

Yver3• 7 years ago

There is something unsettling in men refusing to attend an event because not enough women wanted to be there. (only one woman applied) They asked the organizers to find more women for them.

"Bring me some women!" said the male speakers.

shkkmo8• 7 years ago

There is something heart warming about people making personal sacrifices to promote divirsity.

"Here, take back some of the money you were using to pay for our travel and use it to bring in some female speakers" said the male speakers.

PunchTornado2• 7 years ago

cancel the entire event and leave everyone with their plans in the air. tickets, hotels, trips, everything lost. that makes sense.

nf8nnfufuu8• 7 years ago

Men paying for access to women. Not that unusual, I'd say.

jasonlotito3• 7 years ago

There is something unsettling in men refusing to attend an event because not enough women wanted to be there

That's not why they aren't attending. They aren't attending because the conference wasn't willing to put in any effort to try.

danmg• 7 years ago

PhpCE should have just blocked him, as this was an argument in bad faith, and moved on.

adonnjohn3• 7 years ago

What a weird and frustrating circumstance to be in. It's definitely disappointing that the organizers could not work through this. I understand that women candidates may be disproportionately hard to line up, but is there any evidence that the promoters put in the extra effort to find them? More importantly, should they be obligated to do so in the first place when the aim of the conference is quality in technology: nothing more, nothing less? Optimizing for non-sex factors, you would expect the selected lineup to more or less match the proportions of notable men and women in the space. If that holds true, then the issue is much further up the line in this case: there are still not enough women in technology. Do we cancel future events solely on this premise? Seems like a terrible idea to me.

gshdg• 7 years ago

Except those proportions don’t hold true.

adonnjohn3• 7 years ago

Agreed. And as a result, more information is needed on why that turned out to be the case.

sp33211• 7 years ago

the conference is quality in technology: nothing more, nothing less

There are things in life more important than tech conferences. Quality in tech should not override human rights, civil rights, people's health and relationships, etc. This could be a long list, tech isn't even close to the top.

The only number I've seen for this conference is one woman submitter out of 250, which isn't even close to matching the proportions of the community.

adonnjohn3• 7 years ago

Sorry for my lack of clarity. I believe that the ratios should align for sure, and I believe that if they don't, that due diligence wasn't done, potentially with some direct or indirect form of prejudice (which cannot be discerned without knowing the details of how recruitment efforts took place). I also don't mean to derail the importance of human rights or equality on any particular playing field, I literally just meant that tech is what people are going there to discuss and learn about. While human rights and reflecting community proportions is certainly a part of it, I highly doubt that the intent of any tech conference is to primarily give keynotes on human rights.

shkkmo8• 7 years ago

Optimizing for non-sex factors, you would expect the selected lineup to more or less match the proportions of notable men and women in the space. If that holds true, then the issue is much further up the line in this case

Except that is not the case. There are disproportionately more male speakers than there are male PHP developers.

Do we cancel future events solely on this premise? Seems like a terrible idea to me.

The events were not directly canceled due to a lack of diversity, but due to a complete lack of effort to solicit a diverse range of submissions.

The organizers have committed to making an effort in future years.

nl3• 7 years ago

I find it surprising that people here are defending an all-male speaker line up at a conference as being ok because "it's just about tech".

It's become increasingly clear that no, tech is not just about tech. Tech has a huge impact on society and if your tech conference only has male speakers you aren't trying hard enough to make your conference reflect this.

Further, if your tech group isn't actively working to bring people from other backgrounds into it then it becomes an echo chamber.

Echo chambers are the worst, because people don't realise that's what they are in.

This isn't some random political position, it's something based on real, measurable results where echo chambers make horrible technical decisions because of real-world blindness.

I do machine learning for a living, and there are some particularly notorious examples of this happening in my field. The most obvious one is "Gender from Iris Images" where an entire series of papers by male-only teams ended up being discredited by a single devastating paper by (apparently) the first female to look at the problem. The paper title gives away the whole story: Gender-From-Iris or Gender-From-Mascara?[1]

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01304

bonoboTP4• 7 years ago

You linked a paper written by three men.

hn_throwaway_99• 7 years ago

Everything in this story points to the heart of why I hate Twitter, and why it so often just leads to people dug in, further apart on an issue, and demonizing the other side.

grayed-down• 7 years ago

I don't know Karl Hughes, but I think I hate him. Gray me down.

megakluntjes• 7 years ago

Maybe this shows how smart female developers are because they avoid PHP.

rurban• 7 years ago

Position yourself into the minds of the conference organizers. Do you really want to deal with such an angry mob? Na, better resign and give up. It's not worth it.

But I'll go to the next PHP meetup in Dresden and try to confirm my suspicion.

conradfr2• 7 years ago

That reminds me when they criticized the Silicon Valley show for the lack of women in their Techcrunch reenactment.

Until it was revealed to be real footage...

Wilem822• 7 years ago

I've only ever watched one programming talk by a lady. The talk was about Rust, so I was interested. I thought: a lady, wow cool, let's hear it out. Like 5 minutes in, she said something like "we know Nodejs is fast..." and I did a double take. What? Who in their right mind would claim that, except frontend devs who don't know better? And this talk is about Rust, which is even more bizzare, as it's full of competent people who won't take such bullshit. I did not watch until the end, got quite disappointed. So... where are those excellent female specialists? In 15 years of programming, I've met exactly one and that's in a 20 million population city with tons of programming jobs.

lamaster• 7 years ago

You could take a look at the talk about Entity Component System in Rust, by one of the creators of starbound(as far as i remember), she is a woman. And i don't understand your rage about nodejs. It's in fact very fast. That's wrong about that?

Wilem822• 7 years ago

Very fast compared to what? Certainly not to Rust, and that was a Rust conference. Anything with a VM, even if it has JIT, is slower than a systems-level programming language that got no runtime overhead. VMs are slow by its very nature, simply because there an additional layers and more work needs to be done. If she meant support for non-blocking IO, that got nothing to do with Nodejs, it's an OS-level feature that's been around for almost 20 years. JVM can use non-blocking IO, doesn't make JVM fast, it's still relatively slow due to being VM in the first place.

ffksq• 7 years ago

There are few brilliant female developers. Even fewer good presenters. If the talk given by female is strong and interesting, it is really enjoyable. But if the talk is weak comparing to the other talks given by males, it is not helping with diversity, but only makes argument what women not good in science stronger. If I’m attending conference and instead of attending interesting talk you have to listen very weak presentation from female because of diversity, I’d feel really bad about the organization of conference.

lyusinator• 7 years ago

If you withdraw from a conference cuz of speakers skin color and gender that's racism and sexism.

The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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