Comcast Comments on FCC's Proposed Rules

http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-comments-on-fccs-proposed-rules-to-protect-and-promote-the-open-internet

by schnable • 12 years ago

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cordite3• 12 years ago

They support an open internet and the ideals of innovation.

They do not like the solution proposed (Title II reclassification)

Here's an abbreviated list that they pose at the bottom

We do not support reclassification of broadband as a telecommunications service under Title II for at least four reasons:
1. Title II is unnecessary
2. Title II poses significant legal risks
3. Title II has proved to be a failure
4. reclassification .. will create a huge cloud of uncertainty over the entire broadband industry, thereby retarding investment and innovation.

schnable2• 12 years ago

Title II is not "the solution proposed," it is one possible way to implement net neutrality.

cordite3• 12 years ago

It seems to be the way that freedom activists are pushing for. I am not aware of other formally proposed plans.

diafygi• 12 years ago

Can you elaborate on other possible plans?

Tobani• 12 years ago

The whole "Fast Lanes" argument is really just imposing "Slow Lanes." It feels like the ISP claiming its not their fault they don't have the capacity to provide the service they already sold to the customer.

I think people want TItle II partially as retaliation for the ISPs being as terrible as they are. Price/MBit hasn't gone down much(any) for me over the past 10 years. If Google can have 0 infrastructure in a town and wire it up at gigabit speeds, why is it so hard for the ISPs to improve? Its because they don't care have 0 incentive.

Maybe we set a moving limit. Internet connection under 50Mbit /down or < 10 Megabit up is classified as title II. Maybe then they'll have incentive to innovate. 2 years down the line its 50/15... I don't know.

oddevan• 12 years ago

I realize this is a tl;dr summary, but none of these points are very strong, particularly the last one:

4. reclassification .. will create a huge cloud of uncertainty over the entire broadband industry, thereby retarding investment and innovation.

There is a huge cloud of uncertainty over the entire internet NOW because the one government body tasked with keeping the internet free lacks the power to do so. THAT is the reasoning behind Title II: giving the FCC the power to actually do something.

dragonwriter2• 12 years ago

They do not like the solution proposed (Title II reclassification)

Title II is not the solution proposed by the FCC, its an alternative to Title I (Section 706) regulation on which the FCC asked for comment. FCCs proposed solution in the NPRM is revising its approach to Section 706 regulation in a way which it hopes will survive court review better than the last attempt at this, rather than resorting to Title II.

mkautzm4• 12 years ago

"We do not support reclassification of broadband as a telecommunications service under Title II for at least four reasons: ... reclassification of broadband under Title II will create a huge cloud of uncertainty over the entire broadband industry, thereby retarding investment and innovation."

I would be willing to buy this if there was actually reasonable investment to begin with.

I'm from ND, and we have about 15~ rural cooperative telecom companies. If you take a look at this map: http://www.dakotacarrier.com/network.asp

You can see their respective boundaries. The white area is the major cities. Bismarck, Fargo, Grand Forks, etc. Guess who has fiber? Not the major cities! BEK is offering 200Mb fiber AND cable TV for 65 dollars a month in a lot of their coop zone, and it continues to expand. Fargo, the largest metro area has Cable One, which offers 50/10 connections for 70 dollars a month and has a bandwidth cap of 50GB.

Now, a lot of that infrastructure has come on the back of free money from the federal government, but major ISPs got that too.

If major ISPs actually used their pools of cash to build out infrastructure instead of actively trying to remove fiber from their competition, then I'd be more inclined to believe this.

As I see it, major ISPs have completely mismanaged their position in the market and instead of making a reasonable best effort to keep people happy, they've done the bare minimum and have abused the technical ignorance of most residential customers for their benefit. It's for reasons like that that I support Title II reclassification.

schnable2• 12 years ago

In the major metros Comcast has increased speeds regularly and also offers hundreds of wifi hotspots that customers can use. In many of these areas they also compete with Fios of course.

shimshim2• 12 years ago

I live outside of Nashville and they are now offering me 109mb for about $90 a month. My current speed has continued to increase as well, about 2 smaller MP3 songs per second.

mkautzm4• 12 years ago

OK, but talk is cheap. You offer 100Mb service* for $115/month. Google is offering 1Gb for less than that. My local ISPs that operate on just over $10,000,000 annually are offering double that for less than half the price to people that live in areas with population densities that'd rival the most desolate parts of Siberia.

Talk is cheap. Start actually doing something. Either offer copper at prices that can compete or better yet, put your money where your mouth is. If Comcast is worried that Title II is going to decentatvie infrastructure spending, prove me wrong and actually build out a fiber infrastructure while Title II isn't a thing. Use some of that 7 billion[1] a year you see in the black and start building some real infrastructure instead of just sitting on copper for as long as you possibly can.

*When it's convenient. God only knows how oversold Comcast's service is.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast

maxsilver• 12 years ago

Comcast has increased speeds

This is sort of a half truth. Comcast has increased some speeds a little bit. But most of those speed increases are lies.

For instance, Comcast claims it's moving to deliver 500mbps service ("half-gigabit") in this letter. You might assume this is meant to be comparable with Google Fiber and other local Fiber initiatives. It's not.

Google Fiber is $70/month. Most local gigabit providers are $50-$100/month. Comcast's "half fiber" is $400/month. (see http://www.comcast.com/505). Half the speed at 400+% higher cost.

This isn't competition, this is Comcast lying about availability. It lets them claim that they deliver fast service, but that "the market doesn't want it".

Rooster61• 12 years ago

Can't help but think you are a shill. This is obviously corpratized fluff, and you have only commented on two threads, both of which deal with Comcast.

drzaiusapelord2• 12 years ago

In the major metros Comcast has increased speeds

They've certainly added higher tiers. I saw their 105mbps product was available in my neighborhood and called. The non-promotional price just for internet floats around $180 a month. That's a far cry from these municipal fiber shops that deliver that speed or higher AND television for less cost.

This is an easy way for ISPs to say to regulators, "Look we offered it but no one ordered it." Of course, no one wants to pay $180 for internet, especially when google fiber goes for $70 or so. I think their 400mbps product is around $400, which is insane.

fred_durst• 12 years ago

I smell an astroturf

fnordfnordfnord3• 12 years ago

Comcast, most cable companies have DOCSIS 3 infrastructure, and depending upon network layout can increase speed by merely "flipping a switch". They protect profits by metering bandwitdh to the minimum possible units, and they protect themselves from competition by offering better service only when competition arrives in a market.

dasil003• 12 years ago

You're obviously new on the job so I'll just tell you what your incompetent trainers should have taught you:

No human being not under the employ of Comcast know what Comcast is doing "in the major metros". People who use Comcast only know of their little neck of the woods, so when you go out to do your astroturfing campaign you need to make sure that you appear to be a real human being by talking about a specific location which you personally have experience with.

addflip• 12 years ago

I work for a company that is deeply rooted in the Energy sector in ND. The reason that rural areas in ND are getting access to fiber is because the oil/natural gas companies need it. Trust me it's not out of the kindest of their hearts. They have most of the Bakken shale covered. You can even tell that from the map.

mkautzm4• 12 years ago

The entire state is covered because the coops made a deal with the state and each other decades ago.

The communication co-ops have a responsibility to one group: Their co-op members. If they bitch, that's a really bad thing because then the state will start to scrutinize, and if that happens, their funding gets put in jeopardy.

The end result of that relationship is that it's in the best interests of the co-ops to keep their members extremely content. If you turn back time to the mid 90s, you will see that a lot of the state was offered DSL in a pretty timely manner despite being sparsely populated. Our communication services have always been at least a step or two ahead of the curve and priced pretty competitively even in places where there is literally no competition.

This isn't a result of the Bakken either. This has been an ongoing thing that has existed since the co-ops have been established. The system ends up working really well, and the irony is that in competitive areas, the service is generally worse and more expensive because the small co-ops don't have the cash to lay down the 9 figures of infrastructure it'd take to wire up all of Fargo.

rayiner3• 12 years ago

Our support of the 2010 Open Internet Order was so strong that we voluntarily agreed in our NBCUniversal transaction to be bound by those rules even if they were struck down by the courts. As a result of the DC Circuit decision and our commitment, we are now the only ISP in the country legally bound by the entire set of Open Internet rules.

Interesting fact I wasn't aware of.

hgsigala4• 12 years ago

It wasn't so "voluntary" when you are doing it to get FCC/ Justice Department approval for a 6 billion dollar merger.

chimeracoder• 12 years ago

I think the interesting point is that they are now bound by it, one way or another.

Given that, it makes sense that they'd support the notion that all other competitors be required to do the same. I don't think this is particularly altruistic in that light.

th3iedkid• 12 years ago

any comments from netflix on this?

pessimizer2• 12 years ago

This is pretty easy to say for Comcast because their television services won't be bound by net neutrality, but competing television services from other ISPs delivered over IP wouldn't be able to make quality of service guarantees for their own offerings. Am I reading this wrong?

bdb2• 12 years ago

No, you are not.

bdb2• 12 years ago

Comcast simultaneously claims that some of their own VoD services -- services delivered via your cable modem, through your router and home wifi network -- don't count, because they're part of your cable service, not the internet, so they're allowed to treat them differently.

http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/the-facts-about-...

SnacksOnAPlane• 12 years ago

I thought the VoD services were implemented by having a bunch of HD channels reserved as VoD stations. Then when you order something, the system tells your cable box to change to X channel, where the VoD stream plays. So it's not actually using the same system as your internet service.

I could be totally wrong on this, though.

mwsherman• 12 years ago

Comcast is supporting having their competitors being bound by net neutrality. Comcast already is, due to the terms of the NBC merger. So they want their competitors to “suffer” similarly.

And they don’t want mobile to impinge on the fixed-line market, so they support NN in mobile, too.

A good analogy is WalMart supporting a minimum wage. They support it because it hurts their competitors (local Mom & Pops) more. [1]

Remember regulation isn’t “rules of the road”. It’s an input into a complex system.

[1] http://clipperhouse.com/2010/02/22/net-neutrality-and-preser...

aridiculous• 12 years ago

Gosh I love that 2/3 of this post is legalese. This is blogging in 2014.

fu9ar• 12 years ago

The reclassification of broadband services is primarily a legal issue. The activists promoted this Title II "common carrier" classification and many people just parroted that without asking what that really meant. Nothing is simple when it comes down to USA spanning policy. The scope creep has introduced a number of bugs in the system over the years.

Picard• 12 years ago

Is it phone carriers that are really on board with making fast lanes? I'm pretty sure Verizon paints it's red signs with the blood of innocent children.

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