FTL: Advanced Edition

http://www.ftlgame.com/?p=598

by nuriaion • 13 years ago

311 142 13 years ago

codezero2• 13 years ago

This is a great rogue-like indie game. I highly recommend it. You should know, my recommendation is essentially a guarantee.

hobs• 13 years ago

Yeah, if you havent played it already it is definitely worth a spin. However every time I play it I just want to launch dwarf fortress again.

fragsworth• 13 years ago

Wow, Dwarf Fortress. In case anyone doesn't know, it's supported exclusively by donations and the developer apparently refuses to do it any other way. It's really incredible, because (especially during updates) he makes upwards of $15k/month off donations. Evidently, that's enough, so he keeps chugging along....

dangayle5• 13 years ago

I simply can't wrap my head around the ascii interface. I wish it had even the most basic of sprites.

simias2• 13 years ago

To offer a counterpoint I on the other hand was pretty disappointed with the game.

I found there was not enough variety with the encounters (you keep seeing the same "abandoned space station"/"rogue drone" events very regularly). It's hard to forgive because all events are text-based, so it's not really difficult to add variety. That being said, maybe this extension solves this issue by adding a lot more events.

Others point out the extreme randomness of the game but I think it's only an issue because the game forces you to push forward (backtracking is almost never possible or very costly) which reduces your margin of error and makes you very dependent on the clemency of the "Random Number God". It's of course a very explicit design choice and the game wouldn't be the same without it but it does make for some very frustrating moments.

But I think the main problem I've had with the game is that it's sold as a roguelike (or rather, a roguelike-like) and in my opinion in doesn't come close to DCSS, nethack, angband and others in terms of depth of gameplay and "replayability". For me a roguelike is a game where you can end up in a seemingly desperate situation and still succeed by thinking out of the box and use an unexpected strategy. I've never had one of those moments in FTL. You can't take over other people's ships for instance, which would open a lot of new strategies. Of course the definition of "roguelike" is a bit loose so maybe I'm just too narrow minded.

All that being said for it's price it's definitely worth trying and see for yourself, I know some people have sunk hundreds of hours in this game so I guess they found something in it that eluded me...

lobotryas5• 13 years ago

so it's not really difficult to add variety

This strikes me as a "how hard can it be to code?" line of thinking. Writing can be incredibly challenging, not to mention the code that drives the event and the testing involved. What I really wish the creators had done is made it much easier to mod the game with player-created content.

depth of gameplay

Just putting it out there: this game was created by two guys and it's unknown if they were even able to devote their full attention to it. In my personal opinion, given this context, the result is impressive.

I've never had one of those moments in FTL

They do exist. One time I destroyed the enemy but the boarders were absolutely destroying my Engie crew. Thankfully my doors were upgraded, but my Medbay was down. In the end I used a Fire Bomb weapon against my own ship multiple times to kill the boarders.

Grue3• 13 years ago

Stop calling it roguelike. You're doing a disservice to people who know what a roguelike is, because this game is nothing like Rogue. Also I got bored with it after 3 play throughs, there's just not enough variety.

mden• 13 years ago

So should we call it a roguelikelike? It exhibits many features of a roguelike game including randomized maps/battles, permadeath, and essentially turn based combat. I think it's fair to say that the roguelike genre has evolved passed just being narrowly Rogue-like.

itsybitsycoder2• 13 years ago

It's also a disservice to people who don't know what a roguelike is. I love FTL but after playing it I blew way too much money on actual roguelikes hoping I'd find something with a similar feel. :(

(If you got bored with it within 3 playthroughs, you probably didn't get to try the rock, slug, or stealth ships, all of which have very different strategies from the starter ship and change the gameplay/strategy up quite a bit. I find rock & slug a lot more fun than the Kestrel. Or maybe it's just not your kind of game, that's OK too. :))

codezero2• 13 years ago

I'm happy to edit my comment, sorry for doing a disservice. Can you explain to me what makes it not roguelike? You might want to edit the Wikipedia article for it, as it's described as roguelike and part of the roguelike genre. My understanding was that randomized maps with permadeath was sufficient to consider something roguelike, this isn't to say it is a direct descendant of Rogue, but maybe I need to learn the lingo, so I'd appreciate your clarification.

Your getting bored with it isn't by itself a convincing argument that it's not roguelike :P

PhasmaFelis5• 13 years ago

* Also I got bored with it after 3 play throughs, there's just not enough variety.*

How would you know how much variety it has it you've only done three playthroughs? You haven't seen a fraction of what the game has to offer.

mercurial• 13 years ago

I didn't know they had Chris Avellone (main writer on Planescape Torment) on board.

Danieru• 13 years ago

Chris appears to be working on everything at present. Planescape, Wasteland, this small FTL gig, plus no doubt Fallout 4 in some capacity. Either indie game writing pays too little or Chris does not know how to say no.

boksiora• 13 years ago

This is one of the best games ever

devindotcom• 13 years ago

One of the very first things I thought when I played this, right when it came out, was "god damn why don't I have this on my iPad?"

I knew in my heart they would come through. Really great game, can't wait to play it again.

Spittie• 13 years ago

FTL is great, I loved playing it on my computer, and I still love opening it for a game or two from time to time.

Too bad that they aren't releasing it for Android (for now). I would loved to play it on-the-go, and would easily pay again for it.

Still, it's great to see a free expansion. Thanks FTL Team!

cturner• 13 years ago

I'll be surprised if it works out well for tablet, becaue of power consumption issues. It chews through battery on my laptop.

keenerd• 13 years ago

You are probably still playing the original Humble Bundle (or launch) version. Update that. A while ago they added a frame rate limit and power use is reasonable.

bstar772• 13 years ago

This is one of the most perfectly balanced games I've ever played. I've come one shot from beating the end boss, but that final kill still evades me.

The great part about the game is that the beginning portion is actually quite strategic despite the battles being very easy. You really need to maximize your wins by either getting in as many battles as possible per sector or by killing opposing crews without destroying their ship. Your first 5 or so sectors really set the pace for the later game.

Strilanc• 13 years ago

The trick to beating the final boss is to have maxed teleport and cloaking. This lets you avoid all missile volleys, by cloaking just before the first few would hit and boarding the missile weapon system to disable it. Also you should murder all but one of the crew during the first battle (this is tricky, but you can take your time), so you can disable systems quickly in the second and third battles without them being repaired.

Cloaking and teleporters are great early investments, too. Cloaking saves tons of resources that would have been spent on repairs, and killing the enemy crew gives better rewards compared to blowing up the ship.

vacri3• 13 years ago

Max shields make the final boss pretty easy, as long as you can get to the missile weapon to destroy it.

Just make sure you can hurt an enemy with 4 shields and missile defence. I once got there and couldn't penetrate it at all...

RickHull• 13 years ago

SPOILER ALERT

darklajid2• 13 years ago

For those thinking this is a spoiler: I repeatedly beat the game without following these rules. There's certainly more than one way.

I do agree with the observation that killing the crew of an enemy ship gives much greater reward. I love the anti-bio weapon :)

xentronium2• 13 years ago

Very dependent on the ship.

Cloak can't be bought on some ships. Some ships have extremely bad crew for boarding and don't even get to get some better crew. There's certainly more than one way to win it.

lmm• 13 years ago

Not my approach. Maxed engines for evasion, masses of lasers, and it goes down pretty quickly. Like others have said, there's more than one way to do it.

jeltz• 13 years ago

I just used really good ion weapons + shields to disable much of the boss's weaponry.

cobrausn3• 13 years ago

Oddly enough, I only ever made it to the final boss twice. The first time was with the stealth cruiser, which had maxed stealth and teleporting, and I got annihilated by missile volleys and those combat boarding drones.

The second time was with the Engi cruiser, and I handily beat him. I had only EMP weapons, a level 2 defense drone, and a level 2 attack drone (probably also a repair drone). I just played damage control and set the EMP weapons to autofire at the shield room. When they eventually disable it, the level 2 attack drone shredded him.

Haven't played since then (figured I'd quit while I was ahead), but this may get me back in.

PhasmaFelis5• 13 years ago

I beat the final boss the second time I met it, without teleport or cloaking. I had maxed shields, nearly maxed engines, and a fuckton of lasers. Cloak and teleport are fantastically useful, but despite what everyone says, there is no "required" kit to beat the boss.

cstuder2• 13 years ago

I love it too.

The only weird thing I've found: There's an option to show the reachable systems on the map, so you can plan your route through a sector in advance.

This is quite a gameplay change from the route guessing game you encounter with the default settings, making the game easier.

I feel a little bit like cheating when enabling this...

Semaphor2• 13 years ago

I always turn it on. I feel it removes a bit of the element of luck from the game as being close doesn't mean two points are connected.

KVFinn4• 13 years ago

The only weird thing I've found: There's an option to show the reachable systems on the map, so you can plan your route through a sector in advance.
This is quite a gameplay change from the route guessing game you encounter with the default settings, making the game easier.
I feel a little bit like cheating when enabling this...

They patched this in and it feels weird, yeah. I wish they would tie the upgrade into the sensor systems: see one level of nodes at level 2, and the whole map at level 3. I like feeling of jumping into the uknown but i can't turn off the minmax part of my brain enough to turn off a free option.

WA2• 13 years ago

This is one of the most perfectly balanced games I've ever played.

Err what? I happened to play quite a few games where I advanced to sector 3 or 4, never found a good weapon in any shop. Then I was destroyed, because I couldn't kill enemies with 2 shields. And I fought as many battles as possible in each sector.

Since this happened in the majority of my games, I stopped playing.

otikik3• 13 years ago

You must be playing without using pause. Spacebar is your friend on this game.

bhaak• 13 years ago

I'm not sure I would call it "perfectly balanced" but remember "dying is fun".

If you die repetitively, you should try a change of strategy. Not finding any weapons? Try drones or crew transporters. Only finding wimpy weapons? Can you somehow combine their features and synchronize the attack to make them more powerful than they are alone?

But if you have a problem enjoying the irony of a suffocation death of your crew because you opened the airlocks to suffocate some intruders and the intruders took out your oxygen system with their last breaths, FTL might be too cruel for you.

jere• 13 years ago

I wouldn't say to stop playing. I was losing a lot of games because I had the wrong notion about how beams worked. It was fairly easy after that. And fun!

But you are exactly right that calling the game "perfectly balanced" is ridiculous. It's a roguelike. There are so many random elements and sometimes you just get a string of bad dice rolls. This topic is brought up explicitly in the DCSS faq (another hugely popular roguelike) and I think it applies here:

The possibility of unavoidable deaths is a larger topic in computer games. Ideally, a game like this would be really challenging and have both random layout and random course of action, yet still be winnable with perfect play. This goal seems out of reach. Thus, computer games can be soft in the sense that optimal play ensures a win. Apart from puzzles, though, this means that the game is solved from the outset; this is where the lack of a human game-master is obvious. Alternatively, they can be hard in the sense that unavoidable deaths can occur. We feel that the latter choice provides much more fun in the long run.

http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.html#n-philosophy-pas-d...

chongli4• 13 years ago

How much damage were you taking in those battles? How much scrap were you spending on minor upgrades (doors, oxygen, medical, shields, etc) or repairs?

A good player can often get through the first sector without repairing at all, without spending a single point of scrap on minor upgrades and fighting as many battles as possible. This lets you buy a big ticket item such as a cloaking device, a teleporter or a powerful weapon right away. Big ticket items (especially the teleporter) have the ability to pay for themselves many times over.

The real beauty and elegance of FTL's design is that it makes opportunity costs a real factor in game play. Buying a lot of small upgrades makes you a lot more survivable early on but severely restricts your total scrap potential over the course of an entire game. The key to winning FTL is to coast along on as minimal a budget as possible until you land a big ticket item and then invest heavily into it so that you can earn more scrap and take a lot less damage going forward. Of course, none of this strategy works if you aren't playing battles very carefully and making optimal use of the pause button to coordinate your weapons.

jonnathanson2• 13 years ago

The genius of the game is that it's really about deep strategy and tactical optimization, despite the appearance of random chance as a hugely deterministic factor. The more you play -- and it took me hundreds of failed runs through to grok this point -- the more you realize that chance has something to do with it, but not all that much. As in poker, you get the hands you're dealt -- but how you play them makes all the difference.

I recommend reading up on the prevailing FAQs for the game. They go into great detail about how to optimize your runs through the first few sectors to gather the resources and items you'll need to survive the last half. For the life of me, I've never been able to beat the boss at the end of the game. I've come close, but personal circumstances forced me to stop playing for awhile, so I never climbed all the way up the learning curve. Even still, it's remarkable how different a player I was at that point from what I was when I started.

(I still enjoyed "fucking-around" runs, where I just sort of let stuff happen and bounced around from adventure to adventure. But that's a very different style from the min-maxing one needs to do to win.)

dangayle5• 13 years ago

If you're waiting to get good weapons through the shops, you'll always fail. They'll drop the good stuff early on when you don't have any cash, or they'll have only all drone stuff, or whatever. You have to maximize your confrontations early on, hit as many shops as you can, and try to capture ships rather than blowing them up.

VonGuard2• 13 years ago

If you're a sucker for balance, you cannot get better than Desktop Dungeon, which just launched on Steam. That game is balanced down to the last digit. I have won DD before with a single health point remaining, 0 magic points, and all potions used. It's intense.

If you like Rogue-likes, then try Rogue Legacy, which is sort of the FTL take on Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.

Your strategy for FTL is correct. I like to suck the marrow from early sectors, hoarding scrap and dough while routing early baddies. I've still never beaten it, though, and I've been playing since it was dropped on the IGF in 2011!

gavanwoolery• 13 years ago

Desktop Dungeon is awesome. Also, do not forget the game that (I think) inspired some of FTL: Spelunky.

Pxtl• 13 years ago

A game that lulls players into a false sense of security and then obliterates them is not "balanced"... although it's disputable whether "balance" is even a meaningful concept in a single-player game. That's a terrible feedback loop for the player. FTL has a lot to like about it and it deserves its popularity, but the game has some massive flaws related to randomness and difficulty.

wnevets• 13 years ago

if by balanced you mean completely random, then sure. Fun game but I wouldn't call it perfectly balanced.

bstar772• 13 years ago

To clarify, by balanced I mean that the difficulty is just hard enough for me to not be able to beat the game, yet subsequent play throughs are still extremely fun. I will eventually beat this game, but it will take some time.

I consistently get to the end game battle, no matter what luck I have in random events. I could have won my last few end battles if I had just played things slightly differently.

Nothing is perfect, some things are just more perfect than others ;-)

austinz• 13 years ago

I love FTL. I can beat it semi-reliably on Easy with a few of the ships, and occasionally on Normal. And that's part of the game's genius - there are quite a few practical ways you can build your ship and crew in preparation for the final boss, and each of the ships (and even layouts) is tailored towards facilitating a particular strategy. So even if you master one strategy, there are plenty more waiting to destroy you through your inexperience or ineptitude.

titraxx• 13 years ago

And the best part : it's a free expansion !

john2x• 13 years ago

It wasn't mentioned in the page, but I'm assuming the iPad version will need to be re-purchased even if I've already purchased for the PC?

cstuder2• 13 years ago

I think so too. The App store has only limited functionality to give out licences outside the normal purchasing process (100 free keys, if this information is still correct.)

This is a constant problem for all Kickstarters which produces iOS apps.

(But seeing how I got the original game for 5$ and how much time I've spend with it, I am willing to pay again for it.)

failrate2• 13 years ago

Not to whine (because this game is pure liquid gold straight into my brain meat), but the one thing I was hoping for was a new endgame as an alternative to the final boss.

rcthompson2• 13 years ago

Yeah, I saw an article somewhere that pointed out what I believe is the problem with the endgame. In the last sector, the feel of the game changes completely. You've just spent seven sectors fleeing before the might of the unstoppable rebel fleet, and you finally get to the Federation base, and they say "OK, now find the biggest, baddest rebel ship and kill it." This jarring shift, combined with the flagship breaking all the rules (e.g. having drones after you've killed their drone systems) and yet still being trivial to defeat using specific gimmicks, really breaks the endgame for experienced players. Like the author of the aforementioned article that I can't seem to find, I only play the first seven sectors now. The final sector is so unenjoyable that I just quit when I get to the final sector and start a new game so I can go back to having fun.

vacri3• 13 years ago

"OK, now find the biggest, baddest rebel ship and kill it. We'll give you fuel and repair your ship, but won't give you any missiles, drone schemas, extra crew, drone parts, or extra weapons". I get the gameplay reasons for most of that, but they could at least restock your consumables.

failrate2• 13 years ago

I even tried to fly through the sector in reverse to see if I could do something weird like assaulting the rebel homeworld. Not a thing you can actually do.

KVFinn4• 13 years ago

Not to whine (because this game is pure liquid gold straight into my brain meat), but the one thing I was hoping for was a new endgame as an alternative to the final boss.

Agreed. A wider variety of challenges in the end game would be appreciated. Once you played this game a lot you can usually predict whether you can beat the final sector -- it is just going through the motions.

anonymous2• 13 years ago

Too bad the unfair, uncontrollable, unmitigateable randomness turns this otherwise excellent game in a poor joke. There is no planning you can do, since every shop is random and there is nothing you can do if the game just decides to spawn precisely the kind of enemy that can kill you right then and there. All the different combat systems and options are good, but given that you have no idea what weapon drops you'll get, you can't do any planning ahead. Additionally, if you start having to run away from battles you fall behind the curve and there's no going back. You can't just scout the sector to find easy enemies to beat, because you have a very tight limit on how much exploring you can do. Once you fall behind the resource curve and have to run away from more and more encounters you're already dead.

I spent 15 hours with this game, did close to 40 attempts and only once got to sector 7. Usually I'd die around sector 4 or 5.

If you already have the game and like it, good for you. I just want to warn other people. My final opinion is: the devs don't understand statistics and randomness; go play nethack, it's easier.

lnanek2• 13 years ago

If you can't beat the game easily on easy, you are just missing something. Maybe you should read a forum or something?

You can give yourself an easy bonus just by training against the first enemy you encounter that can't penetrate your shields. Make sure you have helm, engines, shields, and weapons manned and you aren't auto-firing enough to damage the enemy then just let the game sit for an hour or two while your crew levels up.

Early on your shields are plenty vs. the non-missiles of the enemies you encounter so all that matters is upping your engines enough to dodge missiles and saving enough spare money for stores. A nice bonus is that you can run away faster too.

Once you hit a store with enough money and a teleporter, bio beam, cloaking device, or drone system and defense drone, you win basically. Teleporter/bio beam lets you capture enemy ships intact for massive resource gains (and disable weapons on the end boss) and it is easy to micromanage your guys and beam them back and forth to take any ship. Cloaking lets you dodge full enemy salvos. Defense drone takes care of the pesky missile problem, the only really effective weapon in the game as long as you keep your shields upgraded properly.

I can win reliably on easy with any ship, and often on normal. If you can't win on easy you are just missing some technique. You can't scout but you can easily pick the right nodes to see the maximum number of nearby nodes, picking the optimal path, etc.. If there's anything I hate about the game it's the fact that there are so many auto-win scenarios. If I run into a teleporter in a store in a ship that doesn't start with one and I can afford it selling anything non-critical, I pretty much win, so it isn't fun.

LinaLauneBaer• 13 years ago

Your comment does not do the game justice IMHO. FTL is a solid game and I spent a lot of hours with it. It is true that there are a lot of random events in the game but you can plan a little or let's say: You can improve the odds:

For example there is a subsystem (forgot it's name) that let's your ship jump to every previously visited location. So if you find a map of the current sector later on and this map reveals a store you may be able to simply jump back to it if the fleet is not yet there. Also: If the fleet is already there you can still jump back. You only have to fight a ship from the fleet. Then you go to the store, buy your goods and jump back.

Also: You can plan your route through a sector. You should try to visit as many places as you can but still be ahead of the fleet. This is a very cool challenge - especially for CS people… route planning, route optimization, etc…

Your actions also have a direct influence on what you get: For example if you encounter a hostile ship you can destroy it or make a plea bargain with them. Usually the ship will offer you fuel, scrap (=money) or other stuff you may or may not need. If you decide to destroy the ship instead you usually get less goods (fuel, weapons) and more scrap (money). So if you plan (haha) to visit a store soon you may decide to destroy the ships on your way.

There is a whole wiki-community for this game. They note different strategies:

http://ftl.wikia.com/wiki/FTL:_Faster_Than_Light_Wiki

Also you can upgrade your ship with scrap (money). You have to decide what system to upgrade.

When fighting another ship it makes a huge difference if you know what you are doing or not. Of you are a noob you will most likely be destroyed or loose too much during the fight.

Before you start your journey you can also pick one of several different ships. Every ship has different characteristics. Even your crew members have different capabilities:

There is one species where each crew member gives the room where the crew member is in additional power. Guys from other species are made of rock: Use them to distinguish fires on your ship.

Fire on your ship is a huge topic.

Fire occurs when your ship is hit by sun flares, big weapons or other dangerous stuff. Fire is causing damage to your ship and makes the current room unusable. You can plan ahead to deal with fire:

You can control the hatches of your ship. Some people have all hatches open so that all unused parts of the ship are exposed to space. This means that those rooms have no oxygen in them. When a fire happens in those rooms it automatically disappears after a few seconds because in those rooms there is no oxygen.

You can plan so much in this game…

lobotryas5• 13 years ago

What you're thinking of is the "Adv. FTL Navigation" augmentation instead of a Subsystem.

Completely agree with the rest of the sentiment. I usually have a general idea of what I want (ex: get shields to 3 by sector 4) but improvise depending on what drops/encounters I get.

darklajid2• 13 years ago

Small hints, since you're struggling:

- Make sure to man your stations, try to keep these operators alive and in the same place

- Playstyle depends on the ship type you're using, but you need to have something to penetrate shields soon. Ion weapons might help if you have enough/fire fast enough. Rockets/explosives are easier early on, but later defense drones will be very annoying

- If you're really having trouble: My wife disturbed me during one game and the battle was boring (enemy couldn't penetrate my shields). I went doing whatever she asked for and returned to a decently trained shields engineer :)

- Intrigued by the above: If you can do the same in an asteroid field... ;-p

Last but not least: I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the game. Dieing is part of the genre and difficulty might certainly vary, but that's the fun of it. It's mostly about these "Really? THAT encounter when I'm out of missiles?" or the "Whoa, too much hopping around. I sure could use some fuel" moments, right before you're back to square one. For me beating the game isn't the goal and when I beat it, the game failed. :)

xentronium2• 13 years ago

- Intrigued by the above: If you can do the same in an asteroid field... ;-p

If there is also an enemy shooting at you, you will gain experience for shields and engines when asteroids hit/miss. Otherwise, no.

anonymous2• 13 years ago

I have done all of that, except tried different ships. I only played with the starting ship, on hard difficulty, because I wanted to finish the main game before trying the extra modes.

Yes, I have maxed out dodge and shields. I have actually grinded enemies until I had every crew member maxed out on every possible stat. It doesn't help one bit, because you can still get hit 10 or even 20 times in a row, even though you have a 20% evade chance, and 20 hits from anything is pretty much enough to sink you.

It is honestly the most frustrating game I have ever played.

Also, I'm not struggling, I just gave up on it for good. I haven't played it in a year, if not more.

I bought into the hype and bought the game and it turned out to be ... that. I just want to give my perspective so other people don't get it and then feel misled.

shazow• 13 years ago

Fun to imagine this comment in the context of building a startup.

UweSchmidt• 13 years ago

Note that there are various mods for this game, including one that removes the time limit. That should allow for some pressure-free exploring, trying out the nice equipment and recruiting and training a fun crew.

That way you'd technically miss out on some stuff, but you know, these days I'm a "casual" at best, and I spend my forum-reading- and figuring-things-out-energy on other things.

rcxdude• 13 years ago

This seems to be a common impression among those who start playing the game. However, I have seen an experienced player win 10 games in a row on normal difficulty (in response to someone making the exact claim you did, so it wasn't like he got a lucky streak), switching to a different ship each time. So obviously the randomness is not a complete killer if you know the game well enough. That said, I'm not that good at the game.

KVFinn4• 13 years ago

I spent 15 hours with this game, did close to 40 attempts and only once got to sector 7. Usually I'd die around sector 4 or 5.

The game is hard no doubt, so most of the challenge is seeing how far you can get with what resources you encounter rather than 'winning'...

But FYI, the best players have win rates upwards of 90% on Normal. Perhaps 60% with a random ship rather than one of the better ones. In fact there are people on Twitch who win more than 50% of their games WITHOUT PAUSING... !

Kiro2• 13 years ago

Is this like Star Command? I like the idea but Star Command was a disappointment. Just the same thing over and over again without any real depth. Unfortunately this looks just as battle focused so I'm skeptical.

nirnira• 13 years ago

I've never played Star Command but I can say that FTL is superb. There's something about it that is incredibly satisfying, it's very challenging but always in a good way (getting your ass kicked just makes you want to hit back harder next time). It also has great atmosphere - it feels very measured and serious. I find it almost meditative to play. It's absorbing and requires real focus.

liquid_x• 13 years ago

There's a lot more depth to it than star command and higher replay value

psionski• 13 years ago

IMHO the replay value is way higher than many supposedly-AAA titles. I'm looking at my game time stats from Steam, so I'm not making it up :)

C0d3r• 13 years ago

I played both and I do prefer FTL, it definitely has more depth but it's different because since FTL is a roguelike, when you die, you lose everything, where in Star Command you just got to your last save point.

I was disappointed with Star Command, I was looking for something similar to FTL, but FTL is better IMHO.

achompas• 13 years ago

FTL is so much better. The story is better, the writing is actually professional, and you have much more autonomy (which leads to very interesting scenarios). The pace is frenetic, and your ship can actually explode (biiiiiiiiiig game-breaking problem with Star Command).

I don't know what happened to Star Command, but it felt like the final product wanted to be this. It was such a tedious game.

dangayle5• 13 years ago

Star Command was ok, but the replay value was low. FTL replay value is very high.

dshep2• 13 years ago

Brilliant game. Super excited for this.

If you haven't played FTL before, don't heed the complaints about the randomness, it's not as difficult or random as it may at first seem. And frankly failing in this game while you are learning the ropes is half the fun.

dshep2• 13 years ago

If you have been playing for a while and are still having difficulty check out DarkTwinge's video tutorial for some good tips: http://www.twitch.tv/darktwinge/c/2609597

Keyframe• 13 years ago

Friends, consider this a warning. If you are working on something important and/or have a deadline - AVOID this game at all costs.

otikik3• 13 years ago

+1 for FTL. A challenging game, expect to die a lot at the beginning.

alexmchale• 13 years ago

Advanced edition? This game kicks my ass already!

danso• 13 years ago

Thank god this hasn't come out yet. Easily the most addictive game I've played in years...I've lost whole weekends to it. I don't think my social life can take an upgrade to this game right now

tinco• 13 years ago

So eh, what's interesting about this? Did they get funding? Are they using an interesting business model? Are they using a cool new technology? Is there something we can learn from them?

All I see is the announcement of a sequel to a modern popular game, what's going on?

outworlder• 13 years ago

"Modern popular game", which so happens to be developed by two guys, who got their funding on kickstarter.

There are lots of interesting things going on, pick one.

officemonkey• 13 years ago

I think FTL captures the spirit of "Star Fleet Battles" and "Traveller" ship-boarding combat without the extreme crunchiness that the pen-and-paper RPGs were known for.

However nothing beats the Escape Velocity series. The writing, the "asteroids-like" space combat, the trading missions. It's what I wished EVE Online was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_Velocity_%28video_game%...

darasen• 13 years ago

I remember Escape Velocity very fondly, not only was it fun it was the first mac application I dug into. I made it so my ship could launch cows.

tarice• 13 years ago

You should consider checking out the game "Space, Pirates, And Zombies" (aka SPAZ), which is a more recent iteration on the top-down space shooter. Plus, it's also made by a two-man team.

AceJohnny2• 13 years ago

I played SPAZ a bit shortly after it came out. But then I found myself having to grind only a few hours in to make progress, and I just don't have time for that. Have I missed the point?

tekromancr• 13 years ago

I loved EV. Especially EV:Override. So many hours invested. I have long thought an online MMO version would be pretty boss.

bashinator• 13 years ago

EVE Online is basically that MMO.

bovermyer• 13 years ago

There's NAEV, now, for this kind of thing. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=939711...

Kiro2• 13 years ago

So should I play this or the vanilla version?

PhasmaFelis5• 13 years ago

I haven't played the new version yet, but you might consider playing the vanilla version 'til you start to get bored, then upgrading for some new experiences.

awj• 13 years ago

The vanilla version is already really good. Play it on easy first, pause often in battles to think, expect to die a lot, read some guides when you feel stuck. The changes listed here will add a lot to the game, but they mostly take the form of freshening things up with new strategic options and fixing some interface annoyances. I think the game will be a little harder to learn after this update.

deaconblues• 13 years ago

Great news. I'm absolutely abysmal at FTL, but I have fun every time I start it up.

presidentender2• 13 years ago

I enjoyed (and highly recommend) FTL, but I don't think that a few new weapons gives me a reason to play it again.

phenol• 13 years ago

New events? New sectors? New systems and subsystems?

New content from Chris Avellone?

presidentender2• 13 years ago

Based on my reading of the announcement, the content and story are still largely unchanged. I'm sure the content is worthwhile, but since I already know in broad strokes what's going to happen to my crew, I think I'd enjoy spending the time elsewhere.

asciimo• 13 years ago

I command-F'd for "music" but I see no hits. I think that the music in FTL is great, especially for coding. Here's a link to the FTL soundtrack and other great stuff by the artist, Ben Prunty: http://benprunty.bandcamp.com/

Perseids• 13 years ago

See the video on 0:43

New music by Ben Prunty
New content by Tom Jubert
and guest writer Chris Avellone

daned• 13 years ago

Awesome. I love me some Space Disco.

dangayle5• 13 years ago

I've played this game a thousand times, and I've still never beat it. That's one of the reasons I like some of these games like that.

I remember the first Final Fantasy where, sure, maybe you could sneak your way through to the boss. But he's going to kick your butt.

Same thing with FTL. The journey is only half of the battle. Being prepared after making it through in another game entirely.

FTL: Advanced Edition

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