BMW iX5 Blows Away the Competition with 460-KW Charging, 435-Mile Range

https://insideevs.com/news/800125/bmw-ix5-neue-klasse-ev-electric-suv/

by 01-_- • 22 days ago

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ryanmerket2• 22 days ago

dang that's nice but what's up with the Elon's X logo on the lights?

MengerSponge• 22 days ago

That's prior art if there ever was prior art. It's just unicode U+1D54F

ryanmerket2• 22 days ago

sure, but no other unicode has a multi-million dollar branding campaign behind it ;)

jerlam• 22 days ago

BMW doesn't seem to use that specific X anywhere else for any of their EV lineup. Even the back of the car uses a normal "X" character.

I think it's some mandate to give their car models some kind of "signature" headlight design.

beastman82• 22 days ago

...except self driving, where Tesla and Waymo have enormous leads

rho138• 22 days ago

Holding tesla to the same standard as waymo is a wild take.

brotchie3• 22 days ago

I've done 234 Waymo rides and ~5k miles driven FSD in a Model Y (HW4), all in and around the bay area.

The gap isn't that big. Tesla still needs supervision (most around navigation honestly). Waymo's have definitely done some really dumb things.

Waymo's certainly feel safer but if I had to choose which was the better "human driver" I'd put it on Tesla.

gruntled-worker• 22 days ago

Waymo has a lead. Tesla's lead is about the same as a Roomba's.

Seriously though, if you're considering an EV, please give the traditional US/EU/JP/KR automakers a chance. Don't try to help the planet in one way while staking its heart in another.

logancbrown• 22 days ago

Tesla's lead is about the same as a Roomba's.

What is this supposed to mean? Tesla and Roomba are in separate industries.

lokar4• 22 days ago

I have an iX, the predecessor for these. The freeway automatic mode works well, that’s all I really want.

strictnein4• 22 days ago

Yeah, BMW's self driving is the level of self driving I want. In my X7 I drove across North Dakota and barely touched the wheel.

nkotov2• 22 days ago

Only had a handful of Waymo experiences but a lot more with Tesla. Tesla may be leading but is still not great. Driven over 100k miles in autopilot and roughly 30k in FSD miles, you still need manual intervention about 5-10 percent of the time for various reasons.

dcrazy2• 22 days ago

It really bums me out that Mercedes still only offers self-driving on the S class sedan.

zuzululu2• 22 days ago

how much is the battery to replace ? did anybody fix that ?

klaff2• 22 days ago

The battery is warranted for 8 years or 100,000 miles and you are a simple internet search away from many articles on how long EV batteries are lasting (which is generally quite long).

zuzululu2• 22 days ago

i checked and that warranty assumes constant unchanging weather conditions in reality these cars get used in fluctuating weather that expand and contract the battery unit and put additional wear on them, there is simply no way the warranty itself is expected to last as long as they claim

Porsche in particular have found out the hard way .

bluGill3• 22 days ago

There is o evidence the typical EV will need a battery replacement within its useful life. The Leaf is the only EV with that problem, everyone else so far seems to be doing well as a battery is a lifetime part.

Only time will tell, but that is what our current data says.

I'm sure there will be exceptions but they are collectors who keep a car for 100 years.

lokar4• 22 days ago

There have been a few highly publicized situations where the pack gets damaged (road damage), and is not covered. The replacement is more the new car.

I think it’s overblown. A combination of it all just being new and getting figured out, and manufacturers selling the cars at a loss (for various reasons), but not the spare parts.

vel0city3• 22 days ago

how much is the engine and transmission to replace on an ICE BMW ? did anyone fix that ?

simonbarker87• 22 days ago

It’s a shame it’s quite possibly the ugliest car I’ve seen in a long time.

ai_slop_hater• 22 days ago

Elon Musk would love it lol

jonshariat• 22 days ago

I am a great example of how true this is. I wanted an electric car, I wanted a BMW for a long time, I tried to convince myself to buy one for months but couldn't get over how ugly they were. Why do companies destroy their iconic designs when they go electric? So sick of "space car" designs for electric.

avhception• 22 days ago

It's also just a ginormous hunk of metal. Which also makes the long range kinda moot, strapping a bigger battery will of course result in a bigger range. I'm guessing the car doesn't make any improvements on the efficiency?

Markoff2• 22 days ago

TBH even ICE BMWs from recent years all look like fugly tanks

iosguyryan• 22 days ago

The screen cut ins, typographic headlights, and crystal scroller wheels scream "teenager escaped room due to Bitcoin". BMW has many timeless designs to pull from in the last 30-40 years, but chose to pass the mature confident adult torch to the likes of Volvo and Rivian...

wil4213• 22 days ago

For me the last generation, F-series, was pretty much e46 3.0. You can only iterate so many times.

Neue Klasse is a bit odd but I thought the same thing about the F and G model runs. I’ll need to see it in person.

BMW is dethroning Mercedes and continually beating Audi sales in the US. I’m surprised so many people would buy a car if they thought it was ugly. Benz reliability has tanked and Audi is lackluster as usual.

pengaru• 22 days ago

My impression of new car design aesthetics is they're mostly ugly to me because they're optimizing for selling to a different market than mine (USA).

New automobiles starting looking Alien after China started buying more of them than the US, and it's continued ever since.

blensor2• 22 days ago

What exactly do you find particularly ugly on this car?

The only thing that is a bit weird to me are the headlights, otherwise I quite like the look.

apparent4• 22 days ago

Interesting, I find it to be more pleasing than many recent BMW EVs I've seen. I was preparing to not like it as I clicked the link and was pleasantly surprised. Don't love the tail lights, but otherwise it's good/fine to my eye.

dcrazy2• 22 days ago

It’s got Bugs Bunny teeth.

stasomatic4• 22 days ago

So then you are fine with XXXX at the front? :) Modern Bimmers are surely an acquired taste for me, but some of the bulldog looks can be mitigated with different/contrasting color schemes. I like the taillights, they can't please everyone, eh? :) My pinnacle is the E30 M3.

Markoff2• 22 days ago

I mean compared to the other BMW tanks this looks actually slightly less like tank

I guess people would buy it just for the brand with whatever design, personally I find current BMW tank design the worst in last 30-40 years I am watching car design

esafak• 22 days ago

It's like a different brand now. Apparently the Chinese drove this trend: https://www.hotcars.com/bmw-moves-on-big-grille-era-neue-kla...

paolfs• 22 days ago

Haven't you seen the Ferrari Luce?

Anyway, the iX5 is also not my taste but at least it looks like a BMW.

A very heavy BMW. 2900kg!

rconti2• 22 days ago

taillights look like a vinfast.

thrill• 22 days ago

Any BMW with a grill smaller than an ASHPD portal is palatable.

JALTU• 22 days ago

Oh? Well to be fair, the ugliest thing on the road is not strictly a car, and to call it a "truck" is both an insult to anything that actually computes, and to actual trucks – or anything else that fits in road lanes.

tiahura• 22 days ago

Realistically $100k for a 5 series.

apparent4• 22 days ago

Well, it's an X5 competitor, and it's apparently only $10k more than the base ICE version. Considering this is the extended range EV version, that's not terrible. TFA says pricing for the regular-range version has not been announced yet. I will be curious to see where it comes in, since this the extended range version is only $2,500 more than the PHEV. Not a lot of wiggle room in there!

strictnein4• 22 days ago

Probably, yeah. Wouldn't surprise me if it got close to $110k fully equipped. We looked at the BMW iX (which this iX5 replaces), and that was going for ~$95k, although it had some insanely good lease deals.

We settled on the X5 50e. ~40-45 mile electric range with an overall ~450-500 mile range, and rather good performance when you want/need it. Total price well equipped was ~$92-94k. Also drives a lot nicer than the iX did.

We are getting an equivalent of about ~800 miles a tank. Could do better, but we only use the basic charger on 110v, which charges at a rate of ~1 mile an hour.

apparent4• 22 days ago

How much does maintenance cost? When I had a BMW, service was really expensive. Does the fact that most of your miles are on electric change the calculus? Obviously things like tires wear out based on total miles, but presumably some of the ICE-related services don't end up being as frequent?

nkotov2• 22 days ago

I own a G90 M5. While definitely a heavy car, I love having best of both worlds on demand. Having driven 7 different Tesla's previously as daily drivers, there is something convenient about being able to fill up extremely quickly when on road trips. My only issue with it is the small gas tank which means I have to refill it once a week currently with the way I drive.

I really don't like BMW's direction with Neue Klasse. It just looks stupid for the sake of being different.

wil4213• 22 days ago

My g05 X5 M60i is a great car, probably the best SUV I’ve ever owned. Fantastic gas mileage on long trips and more power than I need for when I don’t care. The Tesla interior was so cheap I couldn’t make the jump.

The PHEV X5 50e or 550e is what I want in a car. EV Range for my commute and daily stuff plus I can fill up instantly on long trips. I have 3 young kids so long stops are not ideal for me.

Agree with Neue Klasse, I’m more of an LCI guy myself when new models come around. I’m tempted to grab a g80 M3 before production stops but the idea of 3 kids kicking my Tartufo Carbon Buckets is a put off.

bakies2• 21 days ago

seven teslas??? I've driven two cars the entire time the company has existed

tencentshill• 21 days ago

This guy owns a $125k sports car. Not super surprising.

t1234s• 22 days ago

Is it a better trend to add more and more batteries to increase range or keep a target 250ish mile range and over time remove batteries as they improve in power density?

AdamN• 22 days ago

First off range should be based off of 70mph/110kph since that's what actually matters when people talk about range (how far away from home can I get on a full tank?).

And 250 miles just isn't far enough to fully mitigate range anxiety. I would say about 300-350+ miles is the sweet spot that higher end makers should target.

jeffbee2• 22 days ago

A scant 6,393 pounds, empty. California needs to outlaw this bullshit immediately.

strictnein4• 22 days ago

Outlaw physics? Batteries weigh a lot.

ricardobayes2• 22 days ago

The real competition has 1MW charging. BYD has installed some of these chargers in Europe recently. It's really interesting to see the battery charge go up in real time.

jp1919192• 22 days ago

BYD is doing some amazing things

jeffbee2• 22 days ago

1MW charging is a cute stunt but the economics simply do not make sense. The amount of copper and equipment to support that rate is ridiculous.

ricardobayes2• 22 days ago

I don't doubt that, however they seem to have approx. 500 of these chargers across China.

Simboo• 22 days ago

Nice headline, dumb looking car though. You’re designer definitely takes it in the bellybutton.

rconti2• 22 days ago

144kWh (!!) to get 435mi range though.

buggeryorkshire3• 22 days ago

We just bought an Audi A6 Avant Performance which is a year old and about the same spec?

Missus is a BMW person and really wanted another, but they were not competitive. I did a 380 mile journey in it at around 85% battery and it was awesome.

stasomatic4• 22 days ago

Love the looks of the A6 Avant, but at $150K it's in a different price bracket, no? Used to lust for the Allroads 20 years ago, aka German Outbacks.

buggeryorkshire3• 21 days ago

Cost me £40k for it with 15 miles on the clock. They are definitely having issues shifting them.

drcongo• 22 days ago

Headline should be "BMW iX5 Blows Away the Competition in the US". This is lagging stuff coming out of China.

haunter• 22 days ago

€102,800 to €125,000 lol

Yeah I know it's a luxury car but still

twistedanimator• 22 days ago

Remember when they released the i3? From the company that released some pretty amazing looking cars, that was their first entry into the EV market? They certainly didn't want them to sell and were going to use the low sales as evidence that no one wants EVs. Now I fear it's too late for them as they're going to get their lunch eaten by Chinese EV companies that actually put in a good faith effort.

BMW iX5 Blows Away the Competition with 460-KW Charging, 435-Mile Range

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