Windows 8 Arrives

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2012/Oct12/10-25Windows8GAPR.aspx

by dragonquest • 14 years ago

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mikeratcliffe• 14 years ago

Meh, the interface makes no sense without a touchscreen.

clone10183• 14 years ago

Have you tried it?

el_cuadrado• 14 years ago

I have.

The interface is freaking unusable.

It is like Microsoft decided to exit the desktop market with a bang.

"We are failing, and we are taking Windows with us".

Iaks• 14 years ago

Exacerbating this is the fact that Windows 7 is arguably at full stride right now and has almost no points that I really want changed. Why then do I give myself (actually, pay for) a headache with this new release?

aik3• 14 years ago

>> Exacerbating this is the fact that Windows 7 is arguably at full stride right now and has almost no points that I really want changed.

Sounds like another anti-innovation/change comment on hn. If this is not, please tell me how?

comlag• 14 years ago

That is why I found the Win 8 announcement so weird originally. Why let it compete against Windows 7, which is to me the best version of the OS by a wide margin.

cryptoz3• 14 years ago

> and has almost no points that I really want changed.

Most of the wealthy people in Europe probably felt that way in the 18th century about their society. But it's a good thing that this particular opinion is silly and holds no water, right? Something existing to your level of liking is perhaps the best reason to change it.

jbigelow76• 14 years ago

The 40 dollar price point is probably less about convincing Windows 7 users to upgrade or purchase it in lieu of, as it is about getting Windows XP users to upgrade who would never upgrade to Win 7 at its current price point.

And concerning the the 15 dollar upgrade for recent purchases of PCs with Win 7 this is a quick little money grab by MS. They already sold the OEM the Win 7 license so they aren't cannibalizing any potential existing sales.

omnisci• 14 years ago

I actually agree and disagree. Disagree: I used the windows 8 RC for a while and I actually like it (The desktop portion, metro was a waste for a non-touch screen PC). The additions to the OS were absolutely worth while, especially at these prices. I would upgrade today, without any concern if....

Agree: It wasn't a headache:) I have 2 ATI 4870s in crossfire right now and the ATI drivers were not working well. A lot of stuff that worked on windows 7 was not working on windows 8. Granted, that was the RC, but I don't want to install and find out that it wasn't fixed. 2. Users need the option to opt-out of metro. Period (!).

I'm going to wait for SP1, allow developers to catch up a bit and then jump in. I really liked the speed and the additions made to windows 8, I just think it needs a little time mature.

engtech4• 14 years ago

Windows 8 Pro upgrade for $39 dollars ($15 for newer PCs). [1]

That's... reasonable.

I might consider buying a copy of Windows 8 Pro at that price and then waiting until it hits SP1 to install it.

I might even spin up a VM to try it out.

I like that the $39 upgrade applies to anyone with Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7. I think they're realizing that a lot of people don't upgrade OS because they don't want to upgrade their hardware.

(like my old Win XP laptop that I use as a VNC terminal to other machines).

The only reason why I wouldn't want to jump in with two feet is that I have a general dislike for the Xbox dashboard and I suspect that Metro would be very similar to it.

[1] You can use this tool to check that you have a genuine version of Windows http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012

[2] Windows OEM licenses are transferable if it included the hardware

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/...

[3] Windows retail licenses are transferable

http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualPrope...

Here's a direct link to a PDF for Windows 7 Home Basic in English

http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows%207...

[4] Windows Anytime Upgrades are pretty much considered to be OEM

   17. TRANSFER TO ANOTHER COMPUTER. (retail)
   a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may transfer the software and install it on another computer for your use. That computer becomes the licensed computer. You may not do so to share this license between computers.
   b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. You may transfer the software and install it on another computer, but only if the license terms of the software you upgraded from allows you to do so. That computer becomes the licensed computer. You may not do so to share this license between computers.
   18. TRANSFER TO A THIRD PARTY. (retail)
   a. Software Other Than Windows Anytime Upgrade. The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the software and this agreement, by transferring the original media, the certificate of authenticity, the product key and the proof of purchase directly to a third party. The first user must remove the software before transferring it separately from the computer. The first user may not retain any copies of the software.
   b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. You may transfer the software directly to a third party only with the licensed computer. You may not keep any copies of the software or any earlier edition.
   c. Other Requirements. Before any permitted transfer, the other

ajross3• 14 years ago

That's the upgrade price. AFAICT they haven't announced pricing for an installable new copy of the OS.

shortlived2• 14 years ago

Yup, fine print:

    Offer valid from October 26, 2012 until January 31, 2013 
    and is limited to five upgrade licenses per customer. 
    To install Windows 8 Pro, customers must be running 
    Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, or Windows 7.

engtech4• 14 years ago

I suspect that you can buy a used license for Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 easily.

Really, just visit a friend/relative and find a dusty old PC that has a license sticker on it and ask if you can have it.

gabemart2• 14 years ago

Upgrade copies of Vista and Win7 can be installed on an empty hard drive with minimal tweaking, but I guess being kosher with the licensing is important for some users.

ConstantineXVI4• 14 years ago

Newegg is listing OEM pricing at $100[0], and Pro for $140[1]. FWIW, this matches Win7 OEM pricing.

(It appears "retail" copies have been given the axe entirely, which isn't particularly surprising.)

[0] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416...

[1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416...

debacle• 14 years ago

Upgrade price for Win7 was ~115, so it's much more reasonable than Win7 was, which probably means they're going to try and monetize the Windows Store or whatever it's going to be called pretty hard.

JagMicker• 14 years ago

The Taskbar and Start Menu have worked so well in the past, why change?

Perhaps the price might be a hint that it's worth less than previous versions..

aik3• 14 years ago

The horse and buggy worked so well in the past, why introduce automobiles?

(Note: Example with exaggerated contrast is used here for illustration purposes only, not for comparing size of change.)

bduerst3• 14 years ago

For time and the world do not stand still. Change is the law of life.

And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.

Symmetry2• 14 years ago

Mostly importantly, tablets and hybrid tablet/laptops are taking off and people want to use the same OS for both. And Microsoft has tried using the Taskbar and Start Menu for tablets before, and it sucked.

dataminer• 14 years ago

Microsoft wants to leverage their desktop dominance to introduce people to their mobile offerings. The change from start menu to start screen fits right into that strategy. However you can get back the start menu by installing classic shell, pokki etc.

mtgx2• 14 years ago

Upgrading from XP to Vista or 7 was pretty terrible. I can only assume upgrading from XP to 8 will be even more so.

Semaphor• 14 years ago

> I might consider buying a copy of Windows 8 Pro at that price and then waiting until it hits SP1 to install it.

They don't want to release service packs anymore and instead release constant updates including feature/performance upgrades. http://www.instantfundas.com/2012/10/windows-service-packs-n...

mikeknoop• 14 years ago

I always assumed Service Packs were a way of "resetting" the version of Windows. Instead of installing Windows 7 then needing to immediately endure 2 hours of updates/restarts, you could simply install Windows 7 SP1 with all the relevant updates and patches already applied.

TazeTSchnitzel2• 14 years ago

E.g., Surface ships with Office 2013 preview, they'll son ship out the gold version as an update.

octopus2• 14 years ago

While the price is reasonable, if you'll try to install this in a VM, you'll need to install an older Windows first and start the Windows 8 installation from this older version ...

gvkv• 14 years ago

That's true, but you only have to do it once.

jiggy20113• 14 years ago

Well looks like this is judgement day for MS then.

The price is much lower than for previous versions of Windows, this makes me suspect that we should start expecting new releases of Windows much more frequently, similar to how Apple does it.

With the radical changes going on in Windows 8 it wouldn't surprise me to see a tweaked and improved Windows 9 in less than 2 years.

MBCook4• 14 years ago

I hope so. They clearly learned that the delay between XP and Vista was way too long. I think they learned that the shorter delay between Vista and Windows 7 was beneficial too.

Having the shorter releases seems to work very well, at least it has in the OS X world. The ability to release new features and get them in the hands of users faster than once every 3 or 5 years is a big improvement.

It's also nice to see them drop the price. At the old $99 or $129 level, an OS upgrade really needs to justify it's existence. Many people would just hold out and buy a new computer (especially if you only paid $400 or $500 for it). At $40 it's much easier to get people to update without waiting for a hardware refresh.

james4k• 14 years ago

It may also have to do with the fact that there is an App Store, which will be a new, probably significant, source of revenue. And, it makes it a little easier for someone who's not sure about the radically new UI.

zanny2• 14 years ago

> The price is much lower than for previous versions of Windows, this makes me suspect that we should start expecting new releases of Windows much more frequently, similar to how Apple does it.

I absolutely don't think so at all. I think the lower price is because they want people using the metro app store, because they want an app ecosystem to make them money the way Google / Amazon / Apple do right now. They dind't backport Metro so Metro apps are Windows 8 only, so it is in their best interests to get as many people on the platform as fast as possible to maximize app development and maximize profits from app sales.

w1ntermute• 14 years ago

The Verge gave it a pretty solid score (8.8/10): http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3537710/windows-8-review

The Surface, not so much (7.0): http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540550/microsoft-surface...

clauretano• 14 years ago

i.e. Windows 8 got a good score, Windows RT not so much.

MBCook4• 14 years ago

I'd also imagine that the Surface's 7.0 is because of the hardware. Every review I've read has said that the hardware is pretty fantastic and the keyboard covers work surprisingly well.

It's only Windows RT that people seem to be complaining about.

daliusd• 14 years ago

Overall they have not broken Windows for PC users - that's OK. Nothing to see here.

The most interesting thing will be in cheap tablets area.

luma2• 14 years ago

I've been running Windows 8 since they release the RTM version to TechNet subscribers on my primary laptop (about a month now).

Short version - outside of Metro it's basically Win7SP3 and it works great. Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen.

The good news is that you really don't have to interface much with Metro at all. It replaces the start menu, but it does so in a manner that works with how I'm used to dealing with the start menu already. That is, I already just hit the Win key and then start typing until the thing I want pops up, and that behavior has carried over.

So, yeah Metro is awful for all the reasons everybody has already laid out. Despite that, Win 8 has been a solid performer and I won't be loading Win7 back on this system.

My primary home system will continue to run Win7 until I am comfortable that my production applications will all run successfully (and by that, I mean "games").

k-mcgrady• 14 years ago

>> "Short version - outside of Metro it's basically Win7SP3 and it works great. Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen."

I've been using it on a MacBook Pro and with the multi-touch trackpad metro actually works reasonably well. Obviously it would be better with a touchscreen but I am able to tap to click, use two fingers to scroll left/right/up/down and moving the mouse the the screen corners activates charms/open apps/last opened app. Maybe PC mouse makers (including MS) will come up with similar mice to make the experience better for non-touchscreen devices.

Symmetry2• 14 years ago

Trackpoints in scroll mode are also omni-directional. But though it Just Works on Linux there are all sorts of hoops you have to jump through to get that working properly on Windows.

shardling• 14 years ago

MS does have the wedge mouse -- perhaps they'll update it to support the correct gestures?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/24/3265121/microsoft-wedge-to...

wslh2• 14 years ago

We have an issue with Windows 8 that stopped us to installing it on some personal notebooks until sp1 cames. We installed Virtual CloneDrive from SlySoft knowing that it doesn't support Windows 8. After having a blue screen and being not able to boot the system again we tried with booting it safely and we couldn't! so we reinstalled Windows 7 there. Although it was expectable to fail, it was not expectable to not recover.

Beyond that, we were developing interception technologies to hook inside windows 8 metro applications successfully.

kinghajj• 14 years ago

CloneDrive shouldn't be needed anymore, since Windows 8 (finally) has built-in support for mounting ISO images.

e40• 14 years ago

I am so glad I read this. I'm about to install win8 pro on my work 'puter and I have Virtual CloneDrive installed there! Thanks!

jpatte• 14 years ago

I've been using Virtual CloneDrive on Win 8 RTM since the first day I upgraded my computers (about 2 months ago), because I had to re-install several softwares from iso's... It worked just fine, and I actually never suspected any incompatibility issues.

hristov• 14 years ago

"Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen."

It is good to see a total usability disaster in which Linux took the lead and Windows followed. It is usually the other way around. This really bodes well for Linux on the desktop.

zanny2• 14 years ago

And just like how many people are running Mate and XFCE now (gtk2 based) many people will be running Windows 7 (me) for the forseeable future!

nonane4• 14 years ago

Plug: If you're running Windows 8 Pro and have an iPad you can try out the Win 8 Metro's multitouch features using my app (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWUEAx4dqP4&hd=1). Send me an email: support at jumpdesktop.com and I'll send you a free coupon.

moconnor• 14 years ago

I've used Jump for the past year; it's an excellent remote desktop client.

joenathan• 14 years ago

Does the Android version offer the same functionality?

Smirnoff• 14 years ago

I bought jump when it was only $7.99. It worked like magic and I never opened SplashTop since. For anyone reading this, this app is amazing and works both on iPad and iPhone. Since you can get it for free from the developer, then you can't lose. Definitely gonna try it when I upgrade my windows machine. So far it works great to access my mbp

alexsb92• 14 years ago

That looks quite amazing! Thanks!

As an aside, I've actually been meaning to learn about writing drivers for a while, especially in preparation for a uni course. So with windows 8 here and all of it's cool touch gestures, it would be even cooler. So I'm not sure if you would know this, but can you point me towards any resources for essentially simulating touches? I was thinking of building a battle Etch-a-sketch app for a school project, that would actually have two players use two etch-a-sketch systems in drawing stuff. If it was only one user, I could use the mouse pointer, but being two, I probably need touches. I hope I made myself clear enough. If it's better for you, just email me at alexsb92 [at] gmail [dot] com. Thanks.

sigzero• 14 years ago

You do the search->run thing but average joe user is not going to be doing it that way.

luma2• 14 years ago

Oh I totally agree. It just so happens that the new start interface works well with my existing workflow, which I think is more of a coincidence then anything else. I can't imagine what the user experience is going to be like for somebody who actually expects to navigate through a tree of folders for their applications.

joshschreuder• 14 years ago

I can recommend Start8 which brings the start menu back and boots straight to desktop (one of my annoyances was going straight to the Metro home screen on boot). It's $5, but worth it in my opinion: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

phreakhead• 14 years ago

Surely you could just edit the ol' msconfig startup items for free, right?

They still have that, right? It's been a while since I used Windows.

crag• 14 years ago

Ive been running Windows 8 on a Mac inside a VM (Fusion) for about a month.

I like Metro (but this is coming from a mec geek - so there you go). BUT I agree it will take time to get used to. But I suspect a hack will be out shortly allowing you to by pass Metro completely. I can't imagine the corporate world being happy about Metro.

quattrofan2• 14 years ago

The question is for those of that dont hit the win key and start typing etc, can the metro dash be completely bypassed? So can I boot to a screen that looks much like Win7?

ExpiredLink• 14 years ago

> Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen

Is there a way to switch to 'Classic Desktop'?

gtirloni• 14 years ago

The classic destkop is always there a click again in the start screen.

mbesto2• 14 years ago

I'm trying to download it from GB and looks like it only allows from the US. So I hopped on my US-VPN and still redirects me to the GB site. Anyone have any idea how I get around this? (Note - I have a valid US credit card and am prepared to pay in USD)

bvdbijl• 14 years ago

Clear your cookies maybe?

subsystem• 14 years ago

Change your language setting to en-US?

mbesto2• 14 years ago

Yup, that'll do it. Thanks.

whalesalad• 14 years ago

Microsoft has a problem with not specifying fallback fonts for non-Windows machines: http://wsld.me/KPlc

Looks like they're setting the font explicitly to 'Segoe UI' and nothing else in many spots. Telerik, a .NET CMS provider does a similar thing.

Timmy_C• 14 years ago

I suspect they believe only visitors with Windows machines will ever visit their site.

mtgx2• 14 years ago

I don't think regular users will like this much, and forcing them to go into Metro will only make more people hate it, rather than like it. Fan bases grow when the growth is natural, not when it's forced.

http://www.foolproof.co.uk/is-planet-earth-ready-for-windows...

MBCook4• 14 years ago

It really wouldn't surprise me at all if it turned out that tons of regular users loved Metro. The problem I keep reading about is the fact you can't stay in Metro all the time. There are some settings that you have to go into desktop mode to mess with, and if you're only used to Metro that's going to be really confusing.

contextfree• 14 years ago

The design is that there really isn't a "desktop mode". the desktop is a feature/surface of the system, it's not something you switch your whole computer into.

jerednel• 14 years ago

I happen to think that Windows 8 is a welcome refresh. At first, I was confused by the dashboard but I am finding it easier and easier to navigate around.

For instance, going to the traditional desktop is as easy as clicking the "Desktop" tile. And opening a new tab in the metro-IE was a bit confusing but after figuring out that double finger pressing the touchpad brings up the tab list and url bar it has become easier.

I also like the new native mail client and calendar apps.

For the record, I am running Windows 8 on a 2011 macbook air via bootcamp and it runs perfect. Guild Wars 2 also gets about 10 fps more than it does on the mac client for what its worth and makes it actually playable on an Air :)

Following this tangent a bit more, I feel like if the drivers were updated enough to support 3 finger left and right gestures to wipe between the different screens I wouldn't revisit OSX for a while.

Windows 8 is a fun operating system.

TazeTSchnitzel2• 14 years ago

Perhaps it will wear off, but Windows 8 feels quite refreshing compared to other interfaces.

itry• 14 years ago

Will this thing behave nicely when I put it on a machine which already has grub and several linux partitions? Or will it insist on killing grub or even do worse stuff to my machine?

mulletbum3• 14 years ago

I would assume it kills Grub. I haven't tried, but Microsoft will most likely demand you use the Windows boot loader as they usually do in previous versions. Then you can probably re install Grub and set all of them back up together.

gvnonor• 14 years ago

I was hoping that it wouldn't kill grub but unfortunately it's just like before. My kubuntu partition lies idly as I haven't bothered re-installing grub yet.

rossjudson2• 14 years ago

I've gotten to look Metro more than I did at first. I still don't stay in it; I mostly just head to the desktop and use the newer, flatter Windows 7 I find there.

The elephant in the room for me is the horizontal scrolling. I'm sitting there spinning the mouse wheel vertically, and what's on the screen is moving horizontally. That's a total disconnect.

Why this emphasis on horizontal scrolling? I don't see how the horizontally scrolling items are in any way easier to use than a vertically scrolling set of items. Seems like different, for difference's sake.

mulletbum3• 14 years ago

This was my biggest issue as well. It seems Metro could have been easily set vertically, but instead there was this odd choice for horizontal that just feels incorrect.

justindocanto• 14 years ago

I might be wrong, but I think they're mimicking the xbox dashboard which goes horizontal since you're moving it with the right & left trigger buttons. Feels natural on xbox but i think they probably wanted a sense of familiarity and thats why its horizontal on windows? Idk. Just my assumption.

nlawalker• 14 years ago

Horizontal scrolling is easier and more natural if you're using touch. The wide screen gives you lots of room to sweep your finger back and forth and "throw" the content if you want to. Horizontal touch scrolling also evokes the feeling of paging through a book.

Of course, if you're not using touch, then yes, I agree it feels a bit weird at first. It doesn't take that long to get used to though.

sliverstorm• 14 years ago

Besides, it kind of makes sense now that everything is widescreen.

jaybill• 14 years ago

And it STILL doesn't play DVDs without additional software! sigh

potatolicious• 14 years ago

This seems far less egregious now than it was a few years ago...

pkmays• 14 years ago

Oddly, Windows 7 Pro does have DVD support out of the box.

MrMember• 14 years ago

This makes sense from Microsoft's point of view. Why would they pay a royalty fee on every copy of Windows when such a small percentage of users play DVDs? Especially when the fix is as easy as just downloading VLC.

RexRollman• 14 years ago

Windows 7 does play DVDs out of the box. IIRC, so did Vista. I am surprised they went backward on this.

ygra2• 14 years ago

Licensing fees. Most copies of Windows never play a single DVD, so why let everyone pay?

freehunter5• 14 years ago

I have to imagine Microsoft picturing the majority of Windows 8 machines (between tablets and laptops) not including a DVD drive.

foohbarbaz• 14 years ago

The only way I am going to see Windows 8 is with a new PC (which is a few years away, next purchase is probably an Apple product), or at work.

At work the IT dept will hopefully skip this version all together, or take a few years before "approving" it.

Permit• 14 years ago

Anyone whose University participates in Microsoft DreamSpark will be happy to know it's available for free there already.

sturmeh• 14 years ago

Free on DreamSpark or MSDNAA? I can't seem to find it on Dreamspark...

Galactor963• 14 years ago

MSDNAA (which has been replaced by "DreamSpark Premium")

at-fates-hands• 14 years ago

I see this as a pretty big leap. Remember, this OS isn't about forgetting about Windows or forcing change on anybody. It's about creating an ecosystem similar to what Apple has. They want you to use their apps (Office, Bing Search, X-box Games) across all of their products (Desktop, Surface, Windows 8 phone) and make it so you can access the same info anywhere you are.

I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on this rather bold move.

tsotha3• 14 years ago

It's not that people haven't picked up on this "bold move". It's that they want an operating system, not an ecosystem.

propercoil• 14 years ago

Someone once said Windows 8 looks like a 5 dollar app. That sums it up for me

learc83• 14 years ago

Metro reminds me of the Acer Computer Explorer (I think that was the name, I was 11 at the time) that was installed on my very first computer (windows 95).

The computer booted up to a home screen with icons for all of your programs, and you had to click exit to desktop to get into windows.

MBCook4• 14 years ago

Come to think of it, the start screen isn't too far off from At Ease either. I remember all the Macs in school ran locked down copies to keep the students from messing with the computers and make it easier to find programs for the little kids.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_Ease

quattrofan2• 14 years ago

Metro reminds me of a Fisher Price toy.

zwischenzug2• 14 years ago

...and screws up my evening by apparently breaking flash. We only warned our clients 4 months ago.

Zr403• 14 years ago

How does it apparently break Flash? It's working fine for me in Chrome and Internet Explorer.

zwischenzug2• 14 years ago

Yeah I should have clarified: for IE10, if you're not on the compat list, and you're in ModernUI.

We did warn them... but did they listen?

fady2• 14 years ago

i like how the kids look super into the new surface (pic 4).. i bet those peeps were either "paid" to be there, or set up so that they would all look so interested in that device.. srsly, why would someone buy a surface?

freehunter5• 14 years ago

Wow, a big surprise that actors are employed in marketing material. Next thing you're going to tell me is that Justin Long and John Hodgman got paid for the Mac vs PC commercials or that the guys in the Samsung Galaxy ads weren't actually real people happening to stumble upon a crowd at an Apple store.

Unless by putting "paid" in scare quotes, you were implying something slightly less scrupulous...

fady2• 14 years ago

yeah i was.. i was just saying that those kids look waaay to interested in what that guy is doing, and his facial expression also seems a little off.. i may have miss-communicated my intention, for that, i apologize

roryokane• 14 years ago

Ars Technica’s five-page review of Windows 8: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/window...

niggler• 14 years ago

Windows 8 has been available for months for free on Microsoft BizSpark (http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/)

lucb1e• 14 years ago

Quick question: Which build is released as consumer version now? There's already been a release preview, I wonder if they are the same.

Zr403• 14 years ago

The RTM version is, which is 6.2.9200.16384.

tonyedgecombe• 14 years ago

I've been using it since the RTM and it seems fine.

However I can't say I am any more productive than I was with Windows 2000.

Syssiphus• 14 years ago

Run for the hills!

Tooluka• 14 years ago

So how can I buy it? (full, not upgrade). I thought that they'll sell digital Win 8 Pro for 79$ but can't find any option for this at MS store.

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