Newpipe/yt-dlp stops working

https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/issues/11254

by nurettin • 2 years ago

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vundercind• 2 years ago

Damn, I picked a good time to archive most of the channels and videos I care about ~3 months ago, I guess.

mikae1• 2 years ago

The end for yt-dlp has been nigh for a long time now. Download what you need, while you can.

amelius4• 2 years ago

... and share on bittorrent.

lobito142• 2 years ago

lol, the issue was fixed in less than 24h. Check the nightly build.

autoexec5• 2 years ago

I just won't be watching youtube at all until a workaround is found. If that doesn't happen, it was nice knowing you youtube. My guess though is that this will be fixed pretty quickly. Just like every other time Google has done this.

2OEH8eoCRo04• 2 years ago

Its funny because they could probably satisfy all parties. Why not explore silent ad banners similar to during sports games broadcasts?

devmor• 2 years ago

I'm of the opinion that applying logic to advertising is a fruitless effort. The largest and most successful companies in the world regularly waste insane sums of money on avenues of advertisement that can't even be measured.

I've sat in on meetings with marketing teams ordering hundreds of thousands of dollars of custom development work for ad campaigns with research entirely based on what I can only describe as "vibes".

They will hire psychologists to tell them that flashing the color yellow while playing a tone in C-flat increases the viewer's desire to spend money on floral scents and no one in the room will question it.

There are reasonable advertisements that would not annoy consumers, but those aren't what keep an industry of middle managers and scam artists alive.

sbarre• 2 years ago

I suspect what they will eventually do is dynamically splice ads directly into the source video when serving it, so it's just there in the mp4 data along with the video you actually want to watch.

tedunangst• 2 years ago

Do you think anybody at YouTube is concerned that you can no longer download their videos?

toastercat• 2 years ago

Probably not.

FeepingCreature• 2 years ago

If I were working at YouTube, I would be at least somewhat concerned at the increasing volume of nerds unhappy about not having videos for projects like PeerTube to call upon.

For people who just follow subscriptions, not the discovery page, Youtube doesn't really have a moat. PeerTube integrated into Mastodon is a borderline existential threat.

Liquix• 2 years ago

of course not. i think parent comment means not accessing youtube's videos is preferable to ever visiting the bloated, tracker-infested, dark pattern rife g**gle frontends.

autoexec5• 2 years ago

Download/watch/interact with in any way. I doubt they care about any one person not using their services. It's just that watching youtube using youtube.com or using their app (which I won't even install) is such a shitty experience that it isn't worth it to me. I'd rather never see another youtube video again than subject myself to it.

I doubt enough people will reach that level of fed up for it to hurt Google's profits, but that doesn't matter to me. I was happy enough to use youtube and give google my data on my own terms. If a workaround to this issue can't be found I'll be disappointed by Google's decision to cut off third party applications, but they won't be successful in trying to force me to accept their terms.

kergonath• 2 years ago

No, not really. But the longer this sort of things goes on, the more eager people there will be to jump on the next YouTube competitor. In any case, even if they don’t care, I do. And as long as a video has to be played on a screen there will be workarounds.

exe34• 2 years ago

i feel the same way, if YouTube becomes too hard to watch without adverts and buffering, I simply regain time. I have more than enough already to watch/read for more than one lifetime. YouTube is only useful insofar as I can get some more updated information, and a few distractions.

silverlyra• 2 years ago

The linked issue was reported on an Android player app; the underlying yt-dlp issue seems to be https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/10397 (intermittent HTTP 403 Forbidden responses from YouTube when downloading videos).

g-b-r2• 2 years ago

that issue says intermittent 403 responses though, not persistent

amelius4• 2 years ago

Oh noooo...

"to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

Yeah right.

mvdtnz• 2 years ago

All of the videos are still accessible on youtube.com though?

stavros• 2 years ago

Not very universal, if you ask me.

kodt2• 2 years ago

Youtube videos regularly get removed or made private. I have a collection of Saved videos with a fair amount of videos now marked private so I can no longer view them, nor can I see what the video even was. Entire channels have been nuked before. Only option is to keep your own local copy if you really want to keep something.

tencentshill• 2 years ago

"For free" isn't a part of that.

timschmidt4• 2 years ago

I wonder if the bandwidth even costs Google anything any more. Certainly they have peering agreements with any large ISP already. And they need some sort of egress to balance all the data collection they're doing from a bazillion Android devices and Chrome instances.

amelius4• 2 years ago

At this point they are closer to keeping our information hostage than making it universally accessible.

2OEH8eoCRo04• 2 years ago

I'm able to yt-dlp videos but NewPipe is busted.

idrios• 2 years ago

Same, still able to download videos with the yt-dlp cli but NewPipe isn't playing videos

artemonster• 2 years ago

SmartTube is also affected

unixhero2• 2 years ago

Noooooooo

GaggiX• 2 years ago

Fortunately, YouTube Revanced still works fine.

ginko• 2 years ago

Isn't yt-dlp breaking and getting fixed again a pretty regular thing? What's special about this one?

xsdu• 2 years ago

Needing account authorization is new and likely not something that can be fixed. You can still use cookies/netrc, but your account might eventually be limited.

wruza• 2 years ago

It is. Just a false alarm from a first-timer. Repent, for updathe cometh!

satvikpendem6• 2 years ago

It is resolved by updating yt-dlp [0]. More generally, for those who lament that the end is nigh, I don't think YouTube can actually do anything about such tools as long as they are serving video in one format or another. DRM is always broken, given enough time.

[0] https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/10397

th0ma5• 2 years ago

I would caution to say that my understanding of DirecTV DRM is that GE & Hughes just outspent the hackers. Certainly there are efforts to lock down devices but so far the holes are still there. And more specifically to your point if the audience and the potential porate are the same group, it really can't ever work.

satvikpendem6• 2 years ago

Oh there's still quite a lot of hacking TV signals, it's just been moved into IP TV hacking, for which you can even buy ready to use boxes from China that has everything configured.

beardedwizard• 2 years ago

In the entire history of piracy nobody has meaningfully outspent the hackers.

dheera4• 2 years ago

Someone should create an "analog loophole" version of yt-dlp for Premium subscribers who want to be able to download DRM-free video. Launch Youtube in an offscreen browser with the Premium account and record the HTML element as it plays.

(I'm a Premium user and even though I'm already ad-free, I do have legitimate uses for downloading DRM-free videos for my own personal use.)

pcwalton3• 2 years ago

The browsers are open-source, so you could just make a custom build of the browser with a patch that saves the stream, which wouldn't require the analog hole.

ofcrpls• 2 years ago

It would be great if you could possibly expand on the AI re-rendering usecases, that you mentioned before the edit. Genuinely interested on what the possibilities are.

amelius4• 2 years ago

What if the Premium user's username is watermarked in the videos?

miki1232113• 2 years ago

DRM is always broken, given enough time

This actually applies a lot less to Youtube than it does to any other service.

On other video streaming platforms, think Netflix, Max, Disney Plus etc, you have a fairly limited number of shows, each with a fairly large number of views. This means that if you break DRM, you can share your tool with a few trusted co-conspirators and only release the videos you rip, but not the tools themselves. This protects you from the platforms discovering and breaking your method.

Youtube doesn't really work like that, a lot of people who use yt-dlp and other such tools care about videos with relatively fewer views, which are unlikely to be available anywhere else. This would require any potential DRM-breakers to share their method publicly, which would make them extremely short-lived.

Good DRM algorithms nowadays aren't just some obfuscated code in a binary that you have to reverse engineer, they rely heavily on some content being decrypted in hardware. Even if you understand every single instruction in the binary, re-create a perfect open source version of it and have full read/write privileges to any part of the memory that your OS kernel can access, it's still not enough.

ChildOfChaos• 2 years ago

Isin't it a problem for youtube though for the amount of devices it has to work on? If they suddenly changed all of there DRM, then a lot of things would break including various smarttv's etc.

littlecranky67• 2 years ago

I've been using JDownloader to download and remux youtube video/audio for almost a decade without issues.

satvikpendem6• 2 years ago

JDownloader is great, very useful for downloading from DDL sites. Real Debrid is something similar in that it packages up DDL multi-downloads into one download that you can stream or download directly, somewhat like a seedbox for DDL, although it works as a seedbox more generally for torrents as well.

encom2• 2 years ago

Bug is closed without comment, so I guess that means it's over.

metalliqaz2• 2 years ago

the report was closed because it didn't follow the "template", not because it was fixed.

it drives me crazy when they create these rules that are very difficult for newbies to follow, then delete without comment when the rules aren't followed perfectly. It just discourages users from participating in the bug reporting process

encom2• 2 years ago

Yea I meant it was over for Newpipe. User seemed to follow the template well enough anyway to make the issue clear. This is Reddit-tier moderating.

grimgrin• 2 years ago

Working fine here, and I didn't even have to update (and haven't in weeks). Makes me wonder if:

1) --cookies-from-browser is actually doing something for me since I'm authed

2) just lucky

rasz3• 2 years ago

YT is doing some major rework on the backend:

AV1 encoded >fullHD sources were missing for a couple days recently, only VP9. Maybe Google was switching encoding hardware? preparing for encoding ads directly into sources?

N parameter function was rewritten - this broke yt-dlp. player b22ef6e7 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/commit/297b0a379282a15c80d8...

source 22 (h264 720p combined video+audio), the only HD source older clients could play, was killed a ~week ago. Now older clients are only able to play 360p (source 18) IF they can correctly decode n parameter

Retr0id• 2 years ago

Maybe it's a staggered rollout, but yt-dlp is still working on my machine.

negativegate• 2 years ago

Would it be feasible to patch firefox or chromium to add the ability to dump the stream from <video> elements?

timschmidt4• 2 years ago

Absolutely, and seems like a feature that would already be in there if not for the majority of Firefox / Chrome funding coming from the advertisers.

logicprog• 2 years ago

IIRC it's already something you can do in Firefox with am extension, I vaguely recall using that to dump a video I wanted to watch offline.

rasz3• 2 years ago

There are two streams, video and audio are separate files. Thats the first hurdle stopping browser from presenting you with a simple "download source" button like on normal Video elements.

unixhero2• 2 years ago

I better take a deep sit down and grab all of those channels I love.

mdasen• 2 years ago

I've always wondered why YouTube doesn't use Widevine DRM like Netflix, Disney+, Prime Video, and other paid sites use. Is there a reason why using Widevine wouldn't be possible for YouTube? It looks like Widevine only requires files to be encrypted once on the server so it wouldn't break CDNs and encrypting the files would be cheap compared to the video encoding. Widevine has extremely broad support.

I'm not saying I like the idea of YouTube DRM. This is a technical (maybe organizational) question of whether there's something stopping Google from using Widevine for YouTube. Google is going through a ton of effort to frustrate tools like Invidious and yt-dlp when it seems (to me) that Widevine would accomplish their goal without as much effort (but there might be stuff I'm unaware of).

jrm4• 2 years ago

My guess is that it breaks important edge cases that we're not thinking of typically? I'm reminded of trying to fiddle with Widevine on the Raspberry Pi because there was no good reason for it not to be a solid media player.

pcwalton3• 2 years ago

Widevine isn't available on 32-bit Linux, for one.

KETHERCORTEX6• 2 years ago

Because such a move would break YouTube for a lot of legitimate users without Widevine. Like the whole userbase of Safari.

xnx• 2 years ago

The arms race will continue to escalate. Eventually YouTube will implement DRM, content watermarking, and required logins.

squarefoot• 2 years ago

They must have some ludicrous margins if they can allocate people and resources required to fight a battle against the small community aware of Newpipe and yt-dlp.

4gotunameagain• 2 years ago

It is almost as if they are doing it out of pure greed :)

wobfan• 2 years ago

Thinking the same. I think they’re just fiddling around but it won’t be anything serious. AdBlock on the other hand is a way bigger issue for them - I could absolutely understand (from their perspective) why they should try to tackle this problem with a lot of resources.

fuzztester2• 2 years ago

Is PipePipe also affected?

gs17• 2 years ago

3.4.3 stopped working for me, their repos don't seem to show a fix yet.

simultsop• 2 years ago

In my experience it is as if they (youtube) want you to have the video playing on a visible spot, in window or popout. So when minimizing to background, it stops until switching back to where video plays. Probably they want to keep hosting content free but also deliver ads encoded in stream.

timschmidt4• 2 years ago

I think there's a lot of unexplored room to regulate Youtube and other video streaming services which allow uploads as common carriers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

Doing so could ensure long-term compatibility and equal access.

g-b-r2• 2 years ago

Ehr this would be a duplicate but alright :/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40918652)

sjnair96• 2 years ago

How do the multiple startups that import YouTube video into their platform work - one's that need the video/audio files? There seems to be a lot of webapps supporting this but I always wondered if they have a goto API for doing this. I myself have used microlink at some points for automated video source extraction.

https://microlink.io

H3RO7272• 2 years ago

What's happening to the app?

H3RO7272• 2 years ago

What's going on

concrete_head• 2 years ago

Relax. Version 0.27.1 is out. Problem solved.

Newpipe/yt-dlp stops working

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