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There’s some nuance to this.

The ACA’s loss ratio rules don’t apply to self-funded plans (many large employers use these) even if they’re administered (and possibly re-insured) by a health insurance company, which is usually the case. Just doesn’t apply at all.

Certain plans also allow much lower loss ratios, like 60/40 for expat plans.

A provider that manages to have a lot of new plans in a given state in a given year is immune from loss ratios rules in that state, for that year. I don’t know how gameable this is but my WAG would be it’s only state insurance commissions preventing this from being the case in every state, every year, for every provider, and keeping it to only some states in some years for some providers (I bet the biggies manage to rotate their state[s] and have at least one most years)

So a company the only business of which is health insurance can easily spend far less than 80 or 85% of income on payouts, and only need maintain that ratio on some subset—possibly small—of the premiums it’s collecting.

I don’t know how the game of this affects decisions for insurers that also own providers, but I bet there’s something beneficial there and that’s why they’ve been snapping up provider offices for the last several years.

This is one of those things we state as a normative absolute in general society and you usually only see the nuance (or how it’s basically just a polite lie, in some cases) in relevant college classes or spaces dominated by certain kinds of professionals and nerds (the kind who took those college classes, usually).

I can’t begin to relate to seeing someone with a median income failing to donate to some particular go-fund-me as the same as choosing to head an organization that makes more money when people don’t get the health care they need, and overseeing operations that did that even more recklessly than the industry standard. One has taken on a business relationship already and is taking people’s money then screwing them, at a mass scale. The other just didn’t donate to a gofundme that may not even be legit and for someone they have no connection to.

Similar reaction for the other examples. I’m baffled that they look similar to anybody at all.

[edit] hold on, ok, another angle that may clear up why I’m confused: if my health insurer denies my legit claim, should I be more, less, or equally angry with the leadership of that company, or with every single person in the country who fails to donate to my resulting gofundme? I’m immediately inclined to wish horrible things on one of these groups, and to find the idea of wishing horrible things on the other confusing and repulsive.

Interesting, tried Vermont but couldn’t find it (a 2015 single-payer effort, but not that), will look more later, I’d love to see what a state-level law at governments taking over hospitals and such even looks like, gotta be some weird reading and I have no idea how you’d write that such that it’d have a prayer of surviving court challenge—seize poor people’s houses to give to companies (or, on behalf of a company that then backs out, and all you got was wrecking some of your own citizens’ houses, lol) you’re all good according to the courts, but do basically the reverse? No way that’d fly. Those proposals have to be crazy reads.

I’d maybe vote against state level single payer, let alone taking over healthcare entirely, because I think it’d be a ton less efficient than doing it at the federal level—enormous amounts of money already go to various federal healthcare programs and it’d be better to pool that, and also lack of state level control over their markets is likely to cause problems. I dunno, it might depend on the law, but my gut reaction is a “no” vote on that, too.

Anyway, as for the other question, I believe that the rise of the postwar think-tank industry (a mash up of k-street and Madison Avenue, but for white papers, as it quickly became) and deliberate party and industry efforts to shift public sentiment in pro-market directions, tied up with lots of government spending on anti-Soviet messaging (were they bad? Oh, yeah. Were all the things the government tried to lump in with them and decry as un-American bad? Ehhhh… I mean atheism is among those, see the change to the pledge and to our money at the time, among other things, and I think atheism’s fine) is probably why healthcare can be this incredibly messed-up and nationalization remains not just not-popular-enough-to-pass, but entirely outside the Overton window, yes.

“GitHub for if you compete with MS and someone high in your org is concerned about letting MS host your code.”

“GitHub with a worse UI except GitHub’s has been getting worse for years so now they’re both similarly bad so never mind”

“Worse gitea but with more features so sometimes it’s better”

All of those are extremely different situations, so what are you getting at?

Specifically of antisocial CEOs, board members, et c. That specific kind of vigilante murders.

Hold on, we can come back to this, but: which states have held a vote on nationalizing (state-izing?) healthcare?

Was this guy uniquely evil, as far as health care executives go?

I think if you poll the people taking this as a good thing, you will get an overwhelming answer of “probably not”, and the implications are exactly what you suppose.

Wasn’t the topic scorn?

Yes, there is a lot of money behind that position.

Literally everyone I know IRL was like, “nice. More please.” I was actually surprised and heartened to see the initial HN thread, even, was overwhelmingly supportive.

This is top of my list for conversation topics to steer things toward when I’m around Republican relatives, so we’ll have something we can agree on.

Law-abiding doesn’t mean much when you can kill lots of people for money and remain within the bounds of the law. Killing one such person is definitely far less bad than killing a bunch of people arbitrarily. Yet only one of these cases is illegal, and it’s the better of the two.

I’m saying not-cheerleading-murder isn’t exactly a firm norm here anymore. Not even among the elites.

This is kinda true, even with a generous take on the CIA: they don’t want rogue freebooters screwing with their plans—why, you might destabilize a democracy they weren’t planning to replace with a dictatorship!

But also the trading reputation of a country is kinda a common good that individuals can profit by tarnishing, which makes it a prime target for very-valid and probably-a-good-idea regulation of that sort.

Another extremely popular person. Who violated that norm on camera and had it broadcast all over the place. And remained extremely popular.

What norm?

Yes, I agree that is at least one reason that happened, and possibly the main one.

I think the Nation’s quote of him on the topic points out something that may be true, which is that he might have balked at doing it given how many people would be laid off (hundreds of thousands, surely) and what the optics of that would be, though I kinda doubt the quote itself.

But yeah, even if he’d been gung-ho behind it, it wasn’t happening.

The thing you don’t like is that the voters do agree they want this, though.

Yes, we pay more per-capita for our public healthcare system than some countries do for universal coverage, but we don’t cover everyone. Just for the public parts.

Once you actually tally up how many people are having their healthcare paid for by public dollars—local, state, and federal workers plus retired; the military, active and retired; Medicare (old people); Medicaid (poor and disabled); CHIP (poor kids); the families of some of those categories; et c—it’s really not the case that moving to entirely public-funded would even be as big a leap as one might suppose. A whole lot of people already have government-funded healthcare.

What we really lack, that every single other OECD state I’ve looked at has as a feature of their healthcare systems, is more-aggressive price controls, either set directly or via partial or complete monopsony. We’ve sniffed around at it, but never taken a full bite.

The trouble is that nothing productive was going to come of anything else, either. That’s where these reactions come from.

Sure, the actual universal element of other OECD healthcare systems is price controls, de facto or direct, not necessarily whether private insurance still exists. I don’t think even a majority outlaw private insurance, and it’s a major part of quite a few.

The incoming President told his supporters that if he lost they’d still have to the option of shooting his opponent, when he ran in 2016. Instead of being ejected from politics forever by an outraged public, he went on to win that election. Then another one more recently.

What’s this norm you mention?

At any rate: there's no serious theory of change that begins with murdering health care industry people.

I dunno. This is the most publicly-united I’ve seen people against the industry maybe ever. Usually they’re separately-angry at the industry in their partisan silos (everyone hates it, more or less—hence the amazingly consistent and widespread reaction) but this has been the closest thing to a bipartisan healing moment since, like, the week after 9/11. Not particularly close to that, sure, but I can’t think of anything closer.

If this were part of a theory of change, it strikes me as no less serious than any other I’ve seen. At least.

It was reported in The Nation (and nowhere else that I ever found when I went looking—so, grain of salt) that Obama said that all the totally unnecessary jobs that’d be eliminated are exactly why he wouldn’t push full single payer.

It’s a regressive-tax-funded white collar makework jobs program. JFC.

The family’s rich off money made killing some people and making a ton more suffer.

Live by the sword…

If he had done wrong to people, he should be brought to justice via the court of law (in a democratic nation at least..)

Even the Sacklers are free and still rich. This is like wishing for a unicorn for Christmas. You want something that flat out isn’t real.

I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out what drives such high costs in US healthcare, some years back.

My conclusion is everything does. This conveniently makes it easy to dismiss criticism of any one part (all of which are responsible) because “well they’re just increasing it a little—go look at these other things, they’re bad too, and if you add up all of that, they’re worse!”

Right, but if you keep not addressing the one in front of you because of that kind of misdirection, you never fix any of it, because all of it is taking too much money.

I will say that our private insurance system in particular seems to be responsible for most of the insanely-high indirect costs of our system.

Dozens of hours for patients and their families lost per major incident, playing middleman between insurance and provider billing departments, trying to make insurance do what they’re supposed to. Stupid billing systems where the prices are all kinda fake, which wastes time in a few ways. Tons of time shopping for and managing healthcare plans by folks in HR. Government social safety net people having to dick around with private insurance nonsense to sort out who’s getting what from where. Employees losing time poring over plans to figure out which one they should get (is it just me, or if you’re offered three is there always one that doesn’t make any sense compared to the other two, no matter what kind of usage pattern or expectations you can think up?) Tons and tons of overhead staff at providers.

To be fair, having the “Sec” in your “DevSecOps” signify nothing whatsoever is basically the industry standard for companies describing their offerings with that term.

Wow. Almost none of those words would have even been among my third-string choices of words to use to describe gitlab in one short sentence. “The” and “platform” might have made it.

(Ironically, SOTA LLMs are already way better at writing than typical person writing stuff for money.)

I’m aware of multiple companies that would love to know about these, because they’re currently flailing around trying to replace writers with editors + LLMs and it’s not going great. The closest to success are the ones that are only aiming to turn out stuff one step better than outright book-spam, and even they aren’t quite where they want to be, hardly a productivity bump at all from the LLM use and increased demand on their few talented humans.

Unironically this. The fastest “web apps” I’ve seen that weren’t absolutely required to be javascript-heavy to operate by virtue of what they do, have been mostly or entirely rendered server-side and have just sent entire pages for most interactions. Still performed better than 99% of webapps.

If you see shortages elsewhere, it’s not crazy to prepare by stocking up in case it spreads. I mean, you’re gonna use it eventually either way.

The remains true even if the entire and only cause of the shortage is people stocking up for fear of a shortage, and even if you know that.