Insights from over 10,000 comments on "Ask HN: Who Is Hiring" using GPT-4o

https://tamerc.com/posts/ask-hn-who-is-hiring/

by comcuoglu • 2 years ago

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lukasgw97• 2 years ago

Crazy, didn't know that React is so important! Well done!

rickcarlino• 2 years ago

Nice work, OP. Looking at the graph, I sure hope we did not hit "Peak HN" in Q2 2023.

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

IMHO, I believe the peak was due to a combination of Zero Interest Rate Policy (ZIRP) and the pandemic, both of which have faded out this year. Elon Musk's highly publicized firing of a big part of the Twitter work force also set a precedent for lay-offs in the industry. But I am still optimistic that we will many such peaks ahead of us.

raydev• 2 years ago

Elon Musk's highly publicized firing of a big part of the Twitter work force also set a precedent for lay-offs in the industry

Layoffs across the industry were already well underway when Musk completed his first round. I think some tech company execs were happy to use Musk as a high profile excuse, but investors everywhere were demanding layoffs/corrections as early as Summer 2022.

johnnyanmac3• 2 years ago

But I am still optimistic that we will many such peaks ahead of us.

I'm not. But I don't think my industry is too represenative on what affects HN hirings. I've seen maybe 5-ish game positions on Ycomb job boards ever (they don't even have it as a category to filter into).

rareitem• 2 years ago

I really like the graph at the 'what javascript frameworks are in demand?' part. Any insight to share about that?

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

Yes, later this week I will follow up with something to tell a little bit about the animation and the sphere positioning, that graph was kind of the most fun in writing this blog post. Thank you for your feedback!

mewpmewp2• 2 years ago

Honestly I would just prefer to see it ranked as a table or similar to the databases on.

l5870uoo9y• 2 years ago

Surprised to see Redux featured so prominent in JS frameworks section, since it is so often criticized while many praise newer competitors like Zustand.

chrisweekly2• 2 years ago

or Jotai!

pacomerh2• 2 years ago

From my experience some of these companies that are already using new state libraries still have code in older libs like Redux and it's important for them to hire candidates that understand how they work since they changed the way you think about state, and if you understand that it's very likely you'll understand the other ones.

gloosx2• 2 years ago

It is really common for both Redux and React to be mistakingly labelled as frameworks by the people who don't really understand that these are libraries providing specific narrow piece of functionality leaving the architectural decisions and the overall application structure up to the developer.

Chat GPT seems to have statistical awareness of this fact, yet people generally choose not to figure it out

blowski• 2 years ago

I wonder how this would compare against a random sample of jobs on, say, Indeed or LinkedIn. My experience of Hacker News is that it’s a very biased group (in a good way) to the general industry.

SoftTalker3• 2 years ago

I've heard that many of the jobs posted on general jobs boards like that are never intended to result in a hire. They are posted when the company already knows who they are going to hire, but are legally obligated to post the position, or when the company wants to manufacture evidence that "no qualified candidates" could be found locally.

7thpower• 2 years ago

I’ve never heard of this outside of government contracts that require n+X. Is this a visa related workaround or what?

Or is it just chatter from the grapevine?

roncesvalles• 2 years ago

I would say that's more prevalent in HN. A lot of the "Who's Hiring" posts are veiled show-and-tells. Some of those companies clearly have no intention of hiring. Even got an automatic rejection email from one of those (within a minute of applying). To be fair, it does work - I've discovered some interesting startups and market niches from the Who's Hiring threads.

toast0• 2 years ago

There's usually tells that it's a compliance post.

Used to be very specific instructions about mailing a resume to an address with a reference number. And advertised only in the newspaper. But Immigration said they can't do that one anymore; has to be the same submission methods (email, webform, whatever) as an actually open position and advertised/listed in the same places too.

But they'll still have the other tells, which is very specific experience and education requirements which happen to line up exactly with their preferred candidate. Sorry, we did our best, but we can't find any local candidates with a 4 year BS degree, a minor in Clown Studies, and 3 years experience with very specific software that isn't used many places (experience most likely obtained at the hiring company during internship or while on OPT; or while on H1-B if this is in support of a green card, rather than in support of H1-B).

BeetleB2• 2 years ago

Yes, but I doubt they use the HN jobs board for that. In fact, it will hurt their chances. They can simply post on a very generic job board (e.g. Monster) and say no qualified candidate applied.

The HN job board is much more likely to produce a qualified candidate.

epolanski2• 2 years ago

I've had few interactions with HN crowd as I've posted my availability for consulting/freelancing and I feel like I don't like the bias.

People needing freelancers for few weeks/months to complete projects where the requirements are glueing the usual APIs and solving the usual Safari bugs asking me Leetcode questions are out of their mind.

I am not applying for a full time position, I'm not a cofounder that is going to make or break your startup and no sorry I am not sharing your vision/mission whatever.

Discord is by far better for finding work in your domain and related to technologies you like, and you can ask for much more money because people already know you're experienced on the topics you share on that discord.

herpdyderp• 2 years ago

I assume there are specific Discord servers per ecosystem? How do you find those?

zakki• 2 years ago

Mind to share the discord server/link?

johnnyanmac3• 2 years ago

Discord is by far better for finding work in your domain and related to technologies you like

I've tried to interact on a variety of gamedev discords, and the results are about as dry as LinkedIn. But I suppose probing based on the 2020's market won't garner typical results. (still, open to checking out any suggestions. Far from a census here).

Money, though... ha. Less money and usually very few VC's so you're taking a hit compared to trying to grind interviews with EA/Activision. But that's games for you.

johnnyanmac3• 2 years ago

definitely a skew here, yes. You'll get about the same web dev role demand, but it feels like there's more of some deeper domains here (embedded, compilers, etc) and less of other domains (games, IT).

SushiHippie3• 2 years ago

Using Selenium, I used a script to google iteratively for strings query = f"ask hn who is hiring {month} {year}" to get the IDs of the items that represent the monthly threads.

FYI, you could've just used the hackernews API, and get all posts by the user `whoishiring`, which submits all these who is hiring posts. And then filter out only the posts where the title starts with "Ask HN: Who is hiring?", as this bot also submits the 'Who wants to be hired?' and 'Freelancer? Seeking Freelancer?' posts.

https://hacker-news.firebaseio.com/v0/user/whoishiring.json?...

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

This makes just so much sense and would spare me 65 lines of code. Thank you!

SushiHippie3• 2 years ago

No worries! Btw in your database graph "Snowflake" seems to be off by two positions, as it has a smaller count than ElasticSearch and ClickHouse, but appears in front of them.

tagyro• 2 years ago

Also NER would have done a better job imo

codetrotter3• 2 years ago

Also if you want to manually browse them, look at https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=whoishiring

herodoturtle• 2 years ago

What a great write up - thank you.

Someone in NYC give this person a job! ^_^

klyrs• 2 years ago

GPT-4o is not a person.

pixelatedindex• 2 years ago

Did GPT-4o do the write up?

gajnadsgjoas2• 2 years ago

This should have "Show HN" tag Also you don't have to use selenium or HN api - there are DBs with updated HN data

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

Could you maybe link me one of those? I've googled a bit but didn't find ready-to-use DBs with that data.

pvg5• 2 years ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644563

pvg5• 2 years ago

Show HN is for things someone has made that other people can try and this is a write up which is perfectly fine as it is - https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

fragmede3• 2 years ago

To post, submit a story whose title begins with "Show HN".

BadCookie• 2 years ago

Interesting data, but I think the percentage of remote listings is misleading. Many “remote” jobs now require you to live within commuting distance of a particular city, usually SF or NY.

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

I agree, I've realized too late that I should have introduced a "Hybrid" category in this.

equasar• 2 years ago

Another thing to improve this, is to ask posters to add GLOBAL_REMOTE, COUNTRY_REMOTE or something that indicates is not local remote only (within the same country).

gwd• 2 years ago

Nit: There appears to be both a "React Native" and a "React-Native" bubble in the JS framework graph.

pacomerh2• 2 years ago

there's also a Node.js and NodeJs

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

Both fixed now, thanks.

kristianp2• 2 years ago

There's also gaps in the labels on the database chart.

omoikane• 2 years ago

https://tamerc.com/posts/ask-hn-who-is-hiring/#what-javascri...

"Node.js" and "NodeJS" are drawn as separate spheres, is that intentional? Similarly for "Vue.js" and "VueJS". (Maybe the same for "Angular" vs "AngularJS" too, although the former might be referring to Angular TypeScript).

chrisweekly2• 2 years ago

Angular and AngularJS are distinct from each other; the other pairs are not.

serial_dev• 2 years ago

AngularJS support has officially ended as of January 2022. Angular is the actively supported "version".

My vague memory of this is that AngularJS from v1 to v2 was such a huge difference (and arguably some percentage of the community qualify this update as a colossal f up), that they decided to go with a different name, and they also came to their senses and their backwards incompatible changes are no longer so bad.

DaiPlusPlus• 2 years ago

I’m convinced Angular’s adoption of RxJS for HTTP requests was a cunning move to cement job security.

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

Thanks, is fixed now.

kaycey2022• 2 years ago

I saw express and express.js in the bubble chart

jamestimmins2• 2 years ago

Any chance you could run a comparison of the number of Rust vs Golang jobs over time?

I seem to have noticed that Rust has gotten more common than golang in the job postings, but it's hard to verify without code because there are so many false positives for "go" on any post.

andrepd• 2 years ago

Using a 100 billion parameter LLM to `grep --count` surely is something

snek_case• 2 years ago

Can't wait to be able to run this locally using electron.

codetrotter3• 2 years ago

Read the second part of what they said

it's hard to verify without code because there are so many false positives for "go" on any post.

Hence grep being insufficient in this case.

t-writescode2• 2 years ago

Using a 100B parameter LLM to overcome the large amount of experience required to learn how to do natural language processing one's self rather than using a library to do it sure is something.

I should write a bot to analyze users and hide those who are actively and regularly negative online or on a particular forum and hide their comments.

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

While this made me laugh and there is some truth to it, the nice thing when running the process described in the blog post is that you don't need to know what or how you want to count - the LLM has the knowledge to classify it correctly enough to get good estimations. Go and Rust are both good examples of words that have multiple meanings and are pre-/suffix to many other words.

squeaky-clean• 2 years ago

There's 3 matches for " go " on this page (before writing my comment) but only 2 of them pertain to GoLang.

IanCal• 2 years ago

It's not doing that though, and if you'd done classification tasks you'd realise the huge benefit that comes from taking a computationally expensive system and using it to solve one off problems that were very time consuming, and doing it easily.

The article says it cost ~$50. That's astonishing. That's 25 minutes of my billable time.

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

In total numbers I got 539 jobs saying that they want Rust experience and 695 want Go experience. I think I should have added another line-chart showing the programming language distribution over time, thanks for the idea.

jamestimmins2• 2 years ago

Thanks for looking this up. It's especially interesting bc if I search "golang" on LinkedIn jobs, I see 5,185 results (in the US), but I only get 148 results for "rust".

Hardly scientific, but shows the risk of using Hacker News to draw overly strong conclusions of language popularity.

hipadev23• 2 years ago

localfirst• 2 years ago

how do you create these perfect tables with just text?

genghisjahn• 2 years ago

We need LLMs for this?

softwaredoug• 2 years ago

Really cool.

I’d love to see a similar analysis to “Who Wants to be Hired”. What trends exist in folks struggling to find work? That can help point people to how to target their career growth.

t-writescode2• 2 years ago

This is very neat! Thanks for using your time and literal dollars to work through this!

As an added detail regarding the "remote" v "in-person", another interesting statistic, to me, is to know how many of those in-person job-seeking companies are repeats! It could absolutely mean they're growing rapidly, OR it could mean they're having trouble finding candidates. Equally, missing remotes could mean either they're getting who they need OR they're going out of business.

All interesting plots on the graph!

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

This kind of input is exactly what I've hoped for submitting it here, thank you. I agree!

magicalhippo• 2 years ago

We're a growing B2B company in Norway. We struggled for years to fill in-person positions. We've been at least 2-3 devs short for the past 6+ years.

That is, until December last year. Then it was like a flood gate had opened up. Suddenly we had tons of candidates to try to select from.

I knew things were bad over in bay area and such, but I didn't expect it to hit the market over the pond here so quickly and abruptly.

richrichie3• 2 years ago

It is getting more and more apparent that BLS has been cooking jobs numbers.

jddj• 2 years ago

Nice charts, which lib? I'm on mobile currently and can't easily dig any deeper to answer my own question

comcuoglu12• 2 years ago

Chart.js (with the geo plugin for the choropleth chart) and three.js for the bubble-chart.

fragmede3• 2 years ago

Chart.js is mentioned 1000 words into the article, and three.js is mentioned 1100 words into the article.

bobbywilson0• 2 years ago

Cool analysis with GPT-4o! I was doing some messing around with the same dataset recently around the "Who is Hiring" and "Who wants to be hired". Although I was just using pandas and spacy. (I was job supply and demand with the US FED interest rates here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bobbywilson0/hn-whos-hirin...)

I can actually see how nice it would be for an llm to be able to disambiguate 'go' and 'rust'. However, it does seem a bit disappointing that it isn't consolidating node.js and nodejs or react-native and react native.

I'm curious on the need to do use selenium script to google to iterate, here's my script: https://gist.github.com/bobbywilson0/49e4728e539c726e921c79f.... Just uses the api directly and a regex for matching the title.

Thanks for sharing!

thomasfromcdnjs• 2 years ago

I've been working on similar functionality for jsonresume -> https://github.com/jsonresume/jsonresume.org/blob/master/app...

What the author could have done, and what I should have (but didn't) also, is add a bunch of possible values (enums) for each possible field value. This should solve it from coming up with variations e.g. node, nodejs

In zod/tooling it would look like this; remote: z.enum(['none', 'hybrid', 'full']), framework: z.enum(['nodejs', 'rails']),

But this just shifts the problem further down, which is now you need a good standard set of possible values. Which I am yet to find, but I'm sure it is out there.

On top of that, I am working on publishing a JobDescription.schema.json such that the next time the models train, they will internalize an already predefined schema which should make it a lot easier to get consistent values from job descriptions.

- Also I tend to forget to do it a lot recently in LLM days but there are plenty of good NER (Named Entity Recognition) tools out there these days, that you should run first before making robust prompts

zitterbewegung• 2 years ago

This seems to have a similar problem in the Apple notes calculator where items that you set to as a variable in the new calculator mode can’t have spaces or any other delimiters.

The training data or some kind of enrichment of the data would have to make the systems understand node.js and nodejs are the same just like on the new notes calculator Apple-sauce = $2.50 * 8 makes the first statement a variable.

mikeqq20242• 2 years ago

Interesting that the job supply is highly co-relevant to interest rate. Thanks for sharing.

alberth• 2 years ago

Is 10,000 comments a large enough sample size to gain insights from?

Mathnerd314• 2 years ago

If you read TFA then you will see the answer is yes. Not deep insights though, it is basically just keywords and a few numbers.

I think bytes is generally a better metric than number of entries, naturally 10,000 books will have a lot more insight than 10,000 one-liners.

foolswisdom• 2 years ago

I think it's bad to stack bars in a graph, because it means you can't properly gauge the second layer (for example, the remote jobs quantity, at the beginning of the results section). Better to have two bars side by side (for each timestamp), one for remote, and another for not remote.

CuriouslyC2• 2 years ago

Stacked bars are the right choice when you care more about the magnitude of the sum and less about the precise relative breakdown. Separate bars are the right choice when you're comparing multiple things that are similar and their combined magnitude isn't meaningful.

ec109685• 2 years ago

Could you have a the separate bars and a total line to capture both?

globular-toast2• 2 years ago

At least he does have remote jobs percentage on the same plot. But this is always the problem with plots. They always show what the author wants to show, not necessarily what the reader wants to see. I've often dreamed of a document format that embeds the data and allows the user to easily select the plot themselves. In this case you'd at least be able to toggle between stacked and side by side, but you might even prefer different bins or a different plot entirely.

bastien2• 2 years ago

The irony of using a chatbot to gain insight into the current problems with the job market

pipe2devnull• 2 years ago

Are you saying you think chat bots are the current problem with the job market?

booleandilemma• 2 years ago

Maybe you can ask ChatGPT to analyze his comment for you.

thekevan• 2 years ago

"...so the only way to make this diagram not look ridiculous would be to use a logarithmic scale...as I have just realized some minutes earlier. Instead I’ve spent two hours to build a bubble-chart in 300 lines of code with three.js"

Been there. Hackers will do what hackers will do.

kristianp2• 2 years ago

So funny to see the results presented as animated circles! But really good too. I guess it presents the data as sqrroot(x).

smj-edison2• 2 years ago

This seems like a great blend of LLM and classic analysis. I've recently started thinking that LLMs (or other ML models) would be fantastic at being the interface between humans and computers. LLMs get human nuance/satire/idioms in a way that other NLP approaches have really struggled with. This piece highlights how ML is great at extracting information in context (being able to tell whether it's go the language or go the word).

LLMs aren't reliable for actual number crunching though (at least from what I've seen). Which is why I really appreciate seeing this blend!

TechDebtDevin• 2 years ago

I would say they're very bad at inferring any sort of complicated nuance.

javcasas• 2 years ago

So we win the war against the machines with sarcasm, irony and double meanings? That would be one hell of a shitty Terminator movie.

ramblerman• 2 years ago

I've recently started thinking that LLMs would be fantastic at being the interface between humans and computers

Join the club :) I'd say that's a pretty mainstream idea right now.

Exciting nonetheless

smj-edison2• 2 years ago

Yeah, I guess it is pretty mainstream :) Though another view I keep hearing is that LLMs are going to replace all jobs in 5 years, which quite frankly is disconnected from reality. Even assuming that we could create a ML model that could replace a human (which I think the current paradigm is insufficient after this[0] discussion), there's still the matter of building data centers, manufacturing chips, and it would need to be cheaper than paying a human.

I personally would like AI to help humans be better humans, not try to replace humans. Instead of using AI to create less understanding with black box processes, I'd rather it help us with introspection and search (I think embeddings[1] is still a pretty killer feature that I haven't heard much noise about yet).

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21786547 [1] https://terminusdb.com/blog/vector-database-and-vector-embed...

hughes• 2 years ago

Given the high price due to high token count, I wonder how different the results would be running the same analysis with a local model.

frays• 2 years ago

Great post, thanks for sharing.

Nit: There appears to be both MongoDB and Mongo in the database graph.

Also, could you do a write up on how you actually used GPT-4o to assist you in this exploration? Or share some of the main prompts you used? Thanks!

Rebuff50072• 2 years ago

HAS TO BE A BOOLEAN VALUE!

How we can have a world where this statement exists, and anyone is bullish about LLMs?

The lack of precision is appalling. I can see how a gpt-4o can be fun for toy projects, but can you really build meaningful real-world applications with this nonsense?

ilaksh3• 2 years ago

Yes, I have built many. Also, have you met any humans? What about their lack of precision?

migf• 2 years ago

OMG have you forgotten why we got up to our asses in computers in the first place??

Rebuff50072• 2 years ago

Ah right, humans are notoriously wonderful communicators and seldom have issues sharing ideas or making contracts with each other.

Once bank of america and every other banking app hooks up one of these to my accounts, i better not have to dispute a charge with "HAS TO BE FRAUD, REALLY!"

krick3• 2 years ago

I'm more interested in technical side of this, but I'm not seeing any links to GitHub with the source code of this project.

Anyway, I have a tangential question, and this is the first time I see langchain, so may be a stupid one. The point is the vendor-API seems to be far less uniform than what I'd expect from a framework like this. I'm wondering, why cannot[0] this be done with Ollama? Isn't it ultimately just system prompt, user input and a few additional params like temperature all these APIs require as an input? I'm a bit lost in this chain of wrappers around other wrappers, especially when we are talking about services that host many models themselves (like together.xyz), and I don't even fully get the role langchain plays here. I mean, in the end, all that any of these models does is just repeatedly guessing the next token, isn't it? So there may be a difference on the very low-level, there my be some difference on a high level (considering different ways these models have been trained? I have no idea), but on some "mid-level" isn't all of this utlimately just the same thing? Why are these wrappers so diverse and so complicated then?

Is there some more novice-friendly tutorial explaining these concepts?

[0] https://python.langchain.com/v0.2/docs/integrations/chat/

ilaksh3• 2 years ago

You really don't have to use langchain. I usually don't except on a few occasions I used some document parsing submodule.

The APIs between different providers are actually pretty similar, largely close to the OpenAI API.

The reason to use a paid service is because the models are superior to the open source ones and definitely a lot better than what you can run locally.

It depends on the task though. For this task, I think a really good small model like phi-3 could handle 90-95% of the entries well through ollama. It's just that the 5-10% of extra screw ups are usually not worth the privilege of using your own hardware or infrastructure.

For this particular task, I would definitely skip langchain (but I always skip it). You could use any of the top performing open or closed models, with ollama locally, together.ai, and multiple closed models.

It should be much less than 50 lines of code. Definitely under 100.

You can just use string interpolation for the prompts and request JSON output with the API calls. You don't need to get a PhD in langchain for that.

krick3• 2 years ago

Well, I mean, it appears langchain just technically doesn't support structured response for Ollama (according to the link above). But, as I've said, I have absolutely no idea what all this middle-layer stuff actually does and what may be the reason why different vendors have different integration capabilities in this regard.

I'm totally new (and maybe somewhat late) to the domain, literally just tried right now to automate a fairly simple task (extracting/guessing book author + title in nice uniform format from a badly abbreviated/transliterated and incomplete filename) using plain ollama HTTP-API (with llama3 as a model), but didn't have much success with that (it tries to chat with me in its responses, instead of strictly following my instructions). I think, my prompts must be the problem, and I hoped to try the langchain, since it somehow seems to abstract the problem, but saw that it isn't supported for a workflow the OP used. But since this is a field where I'm really totally new, I suppose I also may be making some more general mistake, like using a model that cannot be used for this task at all. How would I know, they all look the same to me…

Ollama project itself is fairly stingy with explanations. Doubtfully there are many people out there trying to automate an answer to the "Why is the sky blue?" question.

So, I wonder, maybe somebody knows a more digestible tutorial somewhere, explaining this stuff from the ground up?

hluska• 2 years ago

This won’t directly answer your question, but it hit the front page here a while ago and I think you may enjoy it:

https://www.octomind.dev/blog/why-we-no-longer-use-langchain...

krick3• 2 years ago

Thanks. Indeed, it doesn't directly answer my question. For one, the author seems to be failing the "Chesterton's fence" test here: it doesn't even try to answer what langchain is supposed to be good at, but ends up being bad. It just plainly says it's bad, that's all.

And, as stated, I also don't know the answer to that question, so this is kinda one of the primary concerns here. I mean, one possible answer seems pretty obvious to me: it would be better to keep your app vendor-agnostic (to be able to switch from OpenAI to Anthropic with 1 ENV var) if at all possible. Neither of articles and doc-pages I've read in the past few hours tries to answer to what extent this is possible and why, and if it even is supposed to be a real selling-point of langchain. TBH, I still have no idea what the main selling point even is.

metadat• 2 years ago

Why we no longer use LangChain for building our AI agents

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40739982 (14 days ago, 300 comments)

raverbashing• 2 years ago

Honestly, langchain solves no problems besides being an advertisement for langchain itself

It gets picked by people with more of a top-down approach maybe, who feel like adding abstraction layers (that don't abstract pretty much anything) is better. It isn't

m3at• 2 years ago

Yeah langchain is not necessary for this. The author appear not to have shared his code yet (too bad, the visualizations are nice!), but as a poor replacement I can share mine from over a year ago:

https://github.com/m3at/hn_jobs_gpt_etl

Only using the plain OpenAI api. This was on GPT-3.5, but it should be easy to move to 4o and make use of the json mode. I might try a quick update this weekend

simonw• 2 years ago

It would be interesting to run this same analysis using Claude 3 Haiku, which is 1/40th of the price of GPT-4o. My hunch is that the results would be very similar for a fraction of the price.

yunusabd• 2 years ago

I was thinking the same, would love to hear the author's reasoning for going with gpt-4o. In my experience, anything above gpt-3.5-turbo is overkill for data extraction.

maliker• 2 years ago

Beautiful analysis! Great to see the hard stats on the technology breakdowns on the hiring threads with a clever LLM approach. And the write up was super clear.

stuckkeys• 2 years ago

Very cool idea indeed. Love the creativity level.

benreesman• 2 years ago

If Tamer is reading this, I know of opportunities in NYC for sharp ML people. Feel free to drop me a line at b7r6@b7r6.net and I’ll be more than happy to make an introduction or two.

NYC clearly doesn’t have the level of activity in this area that the Bay does, but there’s a scene. LeCun and the NYU crowd and the big FAIR footprint create a certain gravity. There’s stuff going on :)

sillyfluke• 2 years ago

I'd hire him if the conversation for the last question I asked went something like this.

Me: On your first day of work, what would you say to me if I asked you to do the samething in your writeup but in production and at scale using the same third party services (chatgpt etc) you used in your writeup.

T: "You're an idiot. I quit."

Me: You're hired!

Clearly it's a fun exploratory excercise, kind of like using kafta instead of a db for the main store for a crud app just to see how it works. But if you asked a senior engineer who follows the sector he would probably guess all the answers correctly blind. Tamer himself says it was his most expensive sunday hobby night. Now scale that uselessness to enterprise level. And you're not even sure if some of the results are hallucinated.

therealdrag0• 2 years ago

I sympathize and you’re maybe being facetious. But a good engineer doesn’t just say “you’re an idiot”, they are able to clearly document and communicate the expenses to the business folks, and they are able to brainstorm ways to change the cost dynamics with trade off options for business.

noduerme• 2 years ago

I'm just waiting out React, using my own much cleaner SPA framework for the last 10 years that's only about 5k LOC and avoids a lot of debouncing and fragmentation issues. From that three.js diagram, it looks like React should turn into a red giant at any moment. Can't wait.

phendrenad22• 2 years ago

React has already jumped the shark, people just haven't realized it yet. The backlash will be big. I think most people will jump to Preact or Vue.

daliusd• 2 years ago

More details are welcome. React seems to be doing fine and why Preact and not Solid for example?

globular-toast2• 2 years ago

The standard tech cycle:

1. Awesome new tech,

2. Tech gets more and more popular,

3. Tech gets more and more features to better cope with new use cases,

4. People get sick of bloat and create awesome new tech to replace it,

5. Go to 1.

gloosx2• 2 years ago

It is not comprehensive to compare actual JS frameworks and UI/state management libraries. Obviously React will eclipse the frameworks since it is a simple interface library used by the frameworks themselves (like Next.js or React Native)

Also seems a bit silly to include the JS runtime itself in comparison with the JS frameworks. In fact it is almost 100% of the time used along with a front-end framework/library at least on a build-level. I would not put a ton of trust in that frameworks demand data ;)

mikeqq20242• 2 years ago

Yes I also noticed nodejs is included in comparison with the JS frameworks.

okokwhatever• 2 years ago

So, 50+ bucks to learn React+Postgres are good enough to find a job, cool.

wklm• 2 years ago

Great analysis! The only thing I'd suggest changing is how the salary distribution is represented—a simple histogram might present it more effectively. Also, would you consider publishing the dataset you scraped?

joshstrange• 2 years ago

Very interesting, I did something similar but in reverse, looking at who wants to be hired.

I only used OpenAI to determine location and then some (failed) analysis of candidate’s HN comments. The rest of the tools I wrote didn’t need LLMs (just string matching).

N8works• 2 years ago

If you believe any "official data" isn't being politically gamed, I have a bridge to sell you.

spdustin• 2 years ago

One of the reasons function calling seems to need better parameter names and descriptions is sneaky: if your function parameters are nested, descriptions aren't actually seen by the LLM. It only sees the names.

cinemavzbj• 2 years ago

Insights from over 10,000 comments on "Ask HN: Who Is Hiring" using GPT-4o

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