"Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/993187

by SandB0x • 14 years ago

66 65 14 years ago

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gouranga2• 14 years ago

Did that for me as well.

debian on the other hand works fine on the same hardware.

keithpeter2• 14 years ago

Different kernel version I suppose.

pm90• 14 years ago

Not really. I use Debian Lenny which by default comes with 2.6.x but I've manually compiled and installed the 3.2.9 kernel. Works flawlessly.

keithpeter2• 14 years ago

32bit; I had this for a while during testing but not with recent kernel versions (HP recycled workstation nvidia GT520 graphics), seeing similar on Debian Wheezy with same kernel numbers. I think we sometimes forget the OS is Gnu/Linux and the rest is packaging and customisation (nice though that is).

11.10 I had proper black screen kernel panics on the EeePC netbook, again only during testing.

I might run a live session on 64bit and see what happens.

zmanji• 14 years ago

I can't tell if the problem was fixed by installing the vanilla kernel or reverting to an older Ubuntu kernel. Does anyone have ideas?

wissler• 14 years ago

I've also experienced locking problems in 12.04 that were very easy to recreate with a proprietary OpenGL-based program. We reverted back to 11.10 for now.

sgt2• 14 years ago

Ubuntu releases are known to bring regression with them, that's just a fact.

dchest• 14 years ago

As opposed to any other software which never bring regressions?

insertnickname2• 14 years ago

Good job on the LTS, Canonical.

I don't understand why they don't make the release cycle longer. Perhap 9 months or a year, or even just one additional month for QA. I first started using Ubuntu, and Linux, when 9.04 came out and it was great. Since then the quality has steadily declined. 9.10 was good too, but ever since 10.04 every release has sucked. They can't even do LTS releases right.

Sorry for ranting, but the Ubuntu team seems to fuck up time after time. Perhaps they should try focus on making their system stable, instead of adding more crap.

Kerrick• 14 years ago

LTS releases are supposed to do this. The six-month releases can be considered, for all intents and purposes related to stability, "testing" releases. The LTS releases are supposed to be stable enough for large-scale rollouts, with three years of desktop and five years of server support. In fact, Canonical upped the ante with 12.04--five years for both the desktop and server versions. Of course, plenty of things are supposed to be.

saurik• 14 years ago

If that were the case, then one would not expect any serious changes to be made in the actual final release from the one that precedes it, as the changes being tested by the six-month period get locked in as "this definitly worked". As that is obviously not the case, either the release process is flawed or your premise is incorrect. In fact, it seems more like the cycle is simply "don't make us support forever every single release", not "let's take a year and a half to test these changes before committing to them (which, to be clear, I'm fine with, although in practice it has meant that I always upgrade away from LTS anyway as it is often less stable, in a "will it lock up on me" sense, than the subsequent releases).

teilo• 14 years ago

LTS means one thing, and one thing only: That they will release security fixes for it for five years. It has nothing to do with stability and testing.

blahedo• 14 years ago

The real problem here is that the LTS cycle is synched with the six-month release cycle; so the LTS is simultaneously a "new" six-month release. It might make sense to say that the Even.04 releases are the "LTS beta" or maybe even the "LTS RC", and then make the real LTS release be Even.07 or so.

kijin• 14 years ago

The real LTS is called Even.04.1. Isn't it common knowledge that Ubuntu is often unstable in the first couple of months after each release?

onli• 14 years ago

First of all, LTS is no real LTS prior to the .1-release. All LTS-releases had serious issues at first, as far as i remember even dapper drake. Which is not even really harmful for an LTS, since corporations had no need to upgrade as soon as possible from the last LTS.

Furthermore, the story of the declining release-quality was also said about 7.04 (pulseaudio was the issue, if i remember correctly), and edgy prior, end the one after feisty... hoary was nice, but it wasn't that good. 12.04 got - apart from this bug now - really good reviews and felt good on my laptop, so condemning canonical because of one bug seems inappropriate.

StavrosK• 14 years ago

> Which is not even really harmful for an LTS, since corporations had no need to upgrade as soon as possible from the last LTS.

Not only that, but Ubuntu doesn't give you the option to upgrade until .1 is available. Trying to upgrade my 10.04 boxes reports that there's no new distribution yet.

getsat• 14 years ago

Since?

10.04 systems hang after 200+ days due to a kernel bug. If you install the latest kernel, which addresses the issue, after 200+ days processes still no longer report any CPU usage.

10.04 itself was a joke.

insertnickname2• 14 years ago

Yeah, that was actually what I meant. Sorry for not expressing myself more clearly. 10.04 was a huge disappointment.

dimitar• 14 years ago

Ubuntu is just a distribution. They don't directly hack on everything they ship. This is why they try to keep up with the upstream which releases the new versions. They do it in fact less than Fedora, which may or may not be a good thing. Maybe if they get really big they can afford to slow down.

To add my little Linux rant (as a stupid user):

I installed Ubuntu 12.04 and I had almost everything I needed after a 15 minute installation. I prepared mentally for a battle with Skype. It actually worked really well.

I toyed with gnome-language-selector and somehow my language got switched to Chinese. And then the 2 hour battle began. No matter what I did, my GNOME or Unity sessions stayed in Chinese. Ubuntu devs decided that I don't need to select the language at login, so I couldn't do it there, and the various locales didn't convince anyone except the shell that I don't want Chinese. Finally I opened again gnome-language-selector in which I couldn't previously select the language. Turns out I had drag and drop and not click the languages. So I had to pick up English and drop it above Chinese for it to work.

I should have reinstalled Ubuntu - it would cost me less time. And I still have no idea why I had Chinese in the first place.

pbiggar• 14 years ago

Actually, I think they'd do a lot better by making the release cycle shorter. When Firefox changed their release cycle to be much much shorter, they got a significantly improved, much more stable product. The main reason was that instead of shoving everything that they wanted to release into it, features got released when they were mature enough to go in. I think this is something Ubuntu (and almost every other OSS project) could really learn from.

wildster• 14 years ago

I'm glad I have stuck with 11.10!

rbanffy3• 14 years ago

Don't be. Unless you use one of the hardware combinations that seem to be designed to be Linux proof (Sony Vaios, Nvidia GPUs), 12.04 works great.

I'm running 12.04 on a cheap Dell v131 and I'm very happy with it.

ggordan• 14 years ago

I had a lot of issues when I upgraded to 11.04 which is why I'm avoiding upgrading to 12.04. From the looks of it, it seems like a wise decision

1qaz2wsx3edc• 14 years ago

If you use an x.04 release, you're gonna have a bad time.

dysoco• 14 years ago

It's like, x.10 should be LTS!

vidarh• 14 years ago

I went from 10.04 straight to 12.04, and frankly for the most part I couldn't be happier.

Only caveat for me is that I'm one of the weirdos that preferred the Nautilus spatial mode, and that's gone.

rbanffy3• 14 years ago

You can boot off a USB drive and play with it. If it works, keep it.

samsnelling• 14 years ago

Not going to lie, had to switch back to Win8CP because every time I plugged in an external monitor and changed the layout it completely froze up. :(

EternalFury• 14 years ago

Works fine here. As always, hardware support is tricky.

marshray• 14 years ago

Not only that, accelerated 3D video hardware is as tricky as it gets. Hats off to the open source developers who attempt it, often having to reverse engineer some of the most complex hardware known to man.

Am I missing some context here? Why is a nouveau driver crash front page news?

cookiecaper• 14 years ago

It's not a nouveau crash -- the bug report has reports from people using ATI OSS, nouveau, intel, and nvidia blob drivers (at least).

oconnore• 14 years ago

It works fine for me, too. I don't understand why anecdotes of problems are seen as interesting data points (for anyone other than the developers attempting to improve the software), especially in a community of technical people who presumably have some decent grasp on probability. This could be explained just by buggy hardware, or hard drive corruption, or any number of things. It's also not unique to Ubuntu.

"Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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