Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2024/01/15/elon-musks-latest-robot-video-accidentally-gives-away-the-magic-trick/amp/

by reteltech • 3 years ago

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Koala_ice• 3 years ago

It’s a multimillion dollar game of “Where’s Waldo”!

DarmokJalad1701• 3 years ago

Optimus doesn’t appear have capabilities beyond anything we could do in 1964

Seems a bit disingenuous. Did the Lincoln robot have the dexterity in its fingers to do fine-motor tasks like folding laundry?

This has the same energy as saying the Falcon 9 isn't a massive innovation because the Saturn V existed in the 60s. Propulsive landing was done back in the 60s by the Apollo LEM, so obviously the propulsively landing re-usable first stage was "already done before".

DoesntMatter22• 3 years ago

Of all the musk complaints the one that seems craziest to me is when people say that self landing rockets aren't a big deal.

As if it's not a massive decrease in cost and an amazing achievement.

There's plenty to criticize Musk for but I really dislike the disingenuous stuff

verdverm• 3 years ago

This is the same training technique Stanford ALOHA is using

https://mobile-aloha.github.io/

https://www.trossenrobotics.com/aloha.aspx

https://venturebeat.com/automation/stanfords-mobile-aloha-ro...

genman• 3 years ago

If this can be used for training then this magic trick can be enough. Training a language model uses in principle also just one magic trick - trying to predict a next sentence in a large set of ordered sentences.

wilg• 3 years ago

The text of his tweet also "gives away the magic trick":

Optimus cannot yet do this autonomously, but certainly will be able to do this fully autonomously and in an arbitrary environment (won’t require a fixed table with box that has only one shirt).

sidibe• 3 years ago

A followup tweet with a fraction of the views with a pretty big delay. Was he going to add that initially and forgot, or did he add it because people started pointing out what was happening in the corner?

FireBeyond3• 3 years ago

I just think it is entirely unimpressive. "Remote hands" robots, even with pretty fine-grained dexterity, are not at all uncommon in a huge variety of industries. There's zero autonomy here.

Fool me once, shame on you. I'm still waiting for 2015's "solved problem" of FSD (Musk: "I view it as a solved problem. We know exactly what we need to do and we will be there in a few years.") - though in "fairness" to Musk, apparently somewhere in the last few years, Tesla must have "lost" the solution. In 2022, "Our focus now is just on working on solving this problem".

nomel5• 3 years ago

I just think it is entirely unimpressive.

What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

qarl2• 3 years ago

Well... except that explanation only arrived 20 minutes after the original video, after people began pointing out the deception.

qarl2• 3 years ago

Pretty obvious deception, IMHO.

If the point is to demonstrate the training (which is copying a human) then why hide the human off screen? Because it creates the impression that it's autonomous.

Putting "but it's not autonomous" in a subsequent tweet is just plausible deniability.

His fans will argue this is just a simple misunderstanding. C'mon guys. You used to be smarter than this.

iancmceachern3• 3 years ago

This is very similar to how Intuitive Surgicals Da Vinci, and many surgical robotics systems work.

Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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