No Screens Cafe

https://cmart.blog/no-screens-cafe/

by chrismartin • 3 years ago

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blowski• 3 years ago

I wonder if there were "no paper cafes" in the past, where books and newspapers were banned.

yaya69• 3 years ago

no people cafe

ignormies• 3 years ago

I disagree. While I personally probably wouldn't patronize a cafe like this, there's definitely a niche target market that would love it.

Even if the business isn't appealing to 95% of the public, as long as you find a passionate 5% you can make a business model out of it.

mvdtnz4• 3 years ago

Not in the low-margin coffee and scone business you can't.

elbigbad• 3 years ago

Boomers love this sort of thing. Or at least talking about loving this sort of thing. Maybe they’re too addicted to Candy Crush style games though where they won’t actually patronize these sorts of places though.

sanman811• 3 years ago

A very relevant podcast I was listening to this morning about screens and gaming. Always enjoy the times I hear from Dr. Kanojia

https://youtu.be/HYiG2m8fSiE

mvdtnz4• 3 years ago

The No Screens Cafe accepts cash only.

This is very strange. Maybe this would work in USA(?) but in many countries you're basically telling an overwhelming majority of your potential customers "you can't pay for things here". No one carries cash - it's all EFTPOS or CC. I don't see how cash-only supports the no screens policy. It feels entirely orthogonal.

Same goes for the weird anti-car crusade. If you don't have parking, that's fine. No need to make it a thing.

belter• 3 years ago

- The No Screens Cafe accepts cash only.

Welcome to Germany ...

smaudet4• 3 years ago

Pretty much all card readers use a screen, even if it is just a cheap green one.

You could design one without, which would be interesting, but good luck integrating with the major cc companies.

Edd3141592• 3 years ago

I wonder if there are some issuers out there who still have some active legacy backoffice process for processing transactions with carbon copies from imprinter machines

hanoz• 3 years ago

Wouldn't it do just to hook it up to an online processor, as if a web page?

shagie2• 3 years ago

Getting a mag strip reader (MSR) isn't hard and a USB can be found for under $20.

So you read out the tracks and get the data.

You would need to input the amount. Keypad and 7 segment display should work there. While smart watches aren't ok, I suspect that the some electrical cash register is acceptable... and then...

Wait a moment, if they've got an electric cash register they've got the ability to have a MSR.

Anyways, let's assume that the 7 segment display for input of the amount is acceptable. If not... Nixie tubes?

Once the amount to charge is entered, and the card is swiped through the MSR, a receipt printer with the result is used (though they might have issues about that since thermal paper receipts often have BPA https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-... )

Anyways, result of the transaction through whatever payment processor happens and is sent back to the pi (no screen) that then prints out the result.

Sending credit card number to a payment processor from a MSR is no more difficult than sending it to the same processor from hand entered (for example, online). You might have a higher fee rate, but it's not difficult.

chrismartin7• 3 years ago

We would accept cards, but all the payment terminals have a screen. We looked into getting an imprinter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_imprinter) but they're especially vulnerable to fraud, and most cards don't work with them anymore because they aren't embossed.

If you can't pay with cash, you're welcome to wash a load of dishes.

smaudet4• 3 years ago

It doesn't exist (yet) but pair this https://www.amazon.com/Digi-1st-Counter-Digital-Mechanical/d... with a paper notification (behind plexi) and some green/red leds, and a raspberry pi and you could have a screen-less card reader.

netsharc3• 3 years ago

We would accept cards, but all the payment terminals have a screen.

Well this sticking to the rules no matter what is where you lose my sympathy. This is like TSA agressively checking toddlers and old grannies for making the scanner go beep or having some water, because, hey, if the scanner beeps they might be terrorists.

Just like screens are a new thing, this inflexible robot-like-behavior is also new, and geez, I wish you could also fight the second one.

Sure payment terminals are screens, but it's not like they're addictive screens where you get tweets or text messages...

stronglikedan• 3 years ago

Seems like it is in the USA, if it exists, and mentions it's in a city. It's a pretentious enough idea that it might actually work in a US city.

etothepii2• 3 years ago

This is easily done, in Bermuda Rock Island Cafe is cash only but you can also have an account with them that is run on file cards that you can top up. Since their coffee is the best coffee on the island no one minds the extra hassle.

curiousObject• 3 years ago

but you can also have an account with them that is run on file cards that you can top up.

Is that file card a thing that the customers carry with them?

Because: Other businesses could begin accepting those same file cards, and the idea will become even more popular and successful and then… oh…

ghaff3• 3 years ago

Cash only isn't unheard of. I carry a little bit with me. But it's pretty rare for something like a cafe, restaurant, etc. and I expect a lot of people don't carry cash especially if they just stick a few cards on the back of their phones.

That said, I'm pretty sure this is just an exercise in imagining a very retro sort of establishment. I have a lot of trouble imagining a place like this working.

xur17• 3 years ago

Yeah, definitely isn't totally unheard of. A restaurant and barbershop near me are both cash only.

hattmall2• 3 years ago

Cash only is very common at a lot of places in the US. It's sort of a thing that signifies quality and affordability. Pretty much all of them have an ATM so it's not really a big deal. It's much faster and places that can make it with those policies are obviously worth visiting.

mvdtnz4• 3 years ago

Those kinds of hole-in-the-wall places in New Zealand are overwhelmingly more like to have a "no cash" policy.

orhmeh09• 3 years ago

It was the same in Germany when I visited about 10 years ago. Wonder if it's changed?

ck4252• 3 years ago

How is it faster? And why does it signify quality and affordability?

mikestew2• 3 years ago

Pretty much all of them have an ATM so it's not really a big deal.

This one won’t, because guess what ATMs have? A screen. Somewhere on this page is the “owner” commenting that they’d take cards, but all of the terminals have…a screen.

polynomial• 3 years ago

MUCH faster. A consistent order or magnitude at least, in my experience.

bee_rider• 3 years ago

I think it is an exercise in creative writing rather than a description of an actual business. Lots of business models work better inside our heads.

I can see wanting to rant about cars, they are pretty bad in terms of polluting and killing people (which are objectively pretty bad characteristics, whether or not we’ve looked at the trade offs and decided to get one anyway).

usrusr• 3 years ago

The business of a cafe is all about identity. The food and drink and service? Once a certain bar of "good enough" is taken any further difference beyond won't make a decisive difference and that good enough bar isn't all that high (I wouldn't be able to run a cafe but plenty of people are). The rest is all in some way about identity. (Hopefully, and edit:) not in terms of who your ancestors were, but in terms of what cafes you like. From slick, perfectly interchangeable interior design showrooms to that hamster cafe in Fleabag, it's all about trying to make a certain slice of the audience feel that "yeah, I totally see myself going to a place like that" connection. If it works, that is if that audience not only exists in sufficient numbers but is also underserved, they did the right thing.

Note that they aren't suggesting that people set cars on fire or anything like that, just that people who aren't physically addicted to cars might feel more are home than others.

brianwawok2• 3 years ago

Very very high percent of US is in card. But very rare not to also accept cash, it’s not an insignificant percent of people.

paulcole• 3 years ago

A business everyone says is a great idea and that they wish existed but if it was around the corner from their house they’d never ever go.

The Germans probably have a word for this.

jfhr• 3 years ago

Luftschloss?

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Luftschloss>

jmclnx• 3 years ago

Does this place exist ? Would be nice if it existed, but not sure how it would last these days.

Reminds of the old Greek Cafes that I heard about where I grew up. An old timer told me during the 1920/30s, the city police force, mostly Irish, would raid these Greek Cafes all the time, unable to get their head around people only wanted to drink coffee and I guess tea :) This was during prohibition and they thought these cafes were bootlegging. They never found anything illegal.

oktwtf• 3 years ago

My favourite way to spend a day or two is to turn off my iPhone, toss it in the glovebox and hit the highway to the Rockies. If more life was “disconnected” at least my inner peace would be bolstered.

mrleinad• 3 years ago

No customers-and-soon-to-be-out-of-business cafe is more like it.

gkoberger• 3 years ago

I don't hate the idea in general (a lot of cafes near me are laptop-free!), but the framing in this post is so judge-y and negative. There was a few sentences in the beginning were positive, but it quickly devolved into ranting about things that have changed and improved the lives for millions.

Are iPhones overbearing? Sure. But they enable people to stay connected with family, meet new people, work remotely, and more. I'm not against a place that prefers phones stay in your pocket, but why frame it via moral outrage rather than being welcoming? Can you imagine the conversations you'd find yourself in at this place, given this is how the "owner" sees the world?

And maybe what bothers me the most is that it's a blog post. Written on a screen and read via a screen. Blog posts are cheap to write; building a true Third Place is really really hard.

magic_hamster• 3 years ago

This really escalated quickly. From a cozy, stress free environment to "we killed God" and "cars kill people and cities". Quite the roller coaster.

Too bad. If it were a laid back place to meet people and have interesting discussions, it might have been worth checking out.

haswell5• 3 years ago

Those sound like good objections to discuss at the No Screens Cafe.

CydeWeys• 3 years ago

It's light-hearted/snarky/humorous/satirical. You're reading it completely straight-laced which is not the authorial intent. Surely the joke about buses and "we killed God" was a hint?

cf100clunk• 3 years ago

Ageed, it is a though experiment with a sardonic bent, nothing else.

Edd3141592• 3 years ago

Right there with you. I simultaneously love my smartphone and everything it has enabled for me and billions of fellow humans, _and_ frequently advocate for taking breaks from it to interact with real people for a change.

A (clearly hypothetical in this case) cafe where screens are banned seems like a perfect place to do that. But I would hate for it to be at a place that is this aggressive.

ademup• 3 years ago

Can you please point out where the post judges people for using screens? I see "don't use screens here", which isn't a judgment of people who use screens, it's just a rule. Your statement, however, is very judgemental. Especially of a place you have never been and appear to have decided to never visit. For clarity, here's what I consider the harshest judgemental part you posted: "Can you imagine the conversations you'd find yourself in at this place, given this is how the "owner" sees the world?"

Finally, I'm pretty sure the original article is some sort of creative prose or story, given the rest of the cmart site. If so, then its appears to have illicited strong reactions, which may be a sort of success in itself.

fsckboy• 3 years ago

Can you please point out where the post judges people for using screens?

yes, right here:

. . You can listen to your inner voice, your fellow patrons, and the birds outside. Maybe you’ll have some new ideas.

and don't tell me that's not judging, this is a no judgement space, just remain silent and reflect on what I'm pointing out, and maybe you'll have some new ideas.

(just wanted to make sure you can hear the air of superiority that the cafe has)

jonathantf2• 3 years ago

Sounds like a good idea, but no cards is a dealbreaker for me.

mysecretaccount• 3 years ago

Doesn't Exist Wish Fulfillment Rant That You Posted Online Cafe

satvikpendem2• 3 years ago

This actually exists in many cities already, nothing new. I know at least a few places in NYC like this that I've been to, as well as in other cities. Sadly, I didn't mark them down on the map but you can find them easily on Google I'm sure.

Overall, the experience is pretty nice, you can chat with friends and sip some good coffee. These places usually have much higher quality coffee than other shops, since they're often specialty cafes.

martopix3• 3 years ago

I'd love to know about them because I've never heard of a place where you're told off if you use your phone.

satvikpendem2• 3 years ago

Yeah most places aren't that strict, it's usually laptops that are banned and wifi isn't available. A quick search brought up a few:

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/04/10/30...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/12/no-laptops-a...

neomech• 3 years ago

Where is this cafe? It doesn't say, so it's not a very good advert for their service. Anyway, I'd like to check out the Co-work cafe next door.

paxys• 3 years ago

There are plenty of cafes and bars all over the world where people hang out, chat, socialize. They all operate just fine without any of these written rules or the judgmental and pretentious attitude of the author.

I find more and more that people who write these daily "technology is killing the world", "people don't talk to each other these days" posts are the ones who are most addicted to their screens and looking for a way out. I can sympathize, but online rants aren't going to fix your problems. Shut your computer and phone, step out of your house and go start a conversation with someone. You can do it at your neighborhood coffee shop right now, and I can guarantee you will make new friends in minutes.

93po6• 3 years ago

it's not that screens literally kill us and this hypothetical cafe is saving your life, it's just that they wanted a unique experience and this rule provides it. if you don't want a unique cafe experience then a different location is probably the best option

chickenpotpie• 3 years ago

Sorry, the No Screens Cafe doesn’t have wi-fi. Maybe try the Cowork Cafe next door.

It's interesting that sometime in the 2000s, there became an expectation that coffee shops became a workplace. I can't think of another food service business where the expectation is that anyone can come in, buy a single item, demand the wifi password, and work from that space for multiple hours.

kortilla• 3 years ago

Many people solely pay the ridiculous prices specifically because it offers a place to hang out. coffee shops expanded because they offered this. Nobody is forcing them.

shortcake272• 3 years ago

Cafes are under no obligation to provide wifi and many don’t. Well before the 2000s people spent extended periods of time at cafes chatting, people watching, or reading. Why is the line drawn at working?

hitchstory• 3 years ago

I'm a bit weirded out by how judgmental people get about this.

Cafes that wanted to ban laptops are free to do so and always have been. Generally people who work on laptops come in during periods when the cafe would otherwise be fairly empty (10-5 weekdays). This is an additional source of revenue to the cafe that doesn't interfere with their core revenue streams - the morning takeaway coffee rush + weekend brunchers.

A local cafe near me bans laptops on weekends. Another one bans laptops on weekends unless you sit in a particular area. Another one has a special laptop area. These are all successful cafes.

I have a feeling that the cafes who prohibit laptops outright are mostly just canceling a stream of revenue. That's certainly their right, but it's probably not what is best for them.

1123581321• 3 years ago

It comes from the Internet cafes that would sell drinks and have PCs available in the 90s. Then Starbucks popularized wifi access and independent cafes were forced to figure out how to offer it to compete.

No one cares about being polite at Starbucks, but I would say the expectation at independent shops is still to purchase something periodically. Not everyone follows it. I don't see many independents limiting access with expiring authentication or codes given at purchase anymore. In the US, many attempting to do that don't seem to even know they're also running a free xfinity hotspot...

93po6• 3 years ago

i've seen cafes that explicitly state you have to buy something every hour if you want to stay. i've seen this both in the US and in europe.

yieldcrv• 3 years ago

there are a variety of clubhouses with rules like this. they can be quite byzantine like "laptops only usable in this section, until 4pm" or something like that

but I appreciate it a lot!

paradite• 3 years ago

The No Screens Cafe accepts cash only. You can get this from your bank! It’s not illegal yet.

In Singapore shops can legally do not accept cash as payment as long as they provide written notice: https://www.mas.gov.sg/currency/circulation-currency/accepti....

I've seen a few of them personally.

shortcake272• 3 years ago

In NZ there are plenty of places that don’t accept cash. Kinda the same deal - they just have to inform you first.

moffkalast2• 3 years ago

I assume the punishment for violation is 3 years in prison? It is Singapore after all.

gnfargbl• 3 years ago

Cash only, no phones? This is what we in the UK call a "Sam Smith's pub". It's not typically that fun a time, though the beer is cheap.

mvdtnz4• 3 years ago

I googled this - it looks like something I'd love to visit in a trip to London. But not somewhere I could see myself as a repeat customer if I lived nearby. Still, good for them for making it work. I hope the beer is good.

colesantiago• 3 years ago

More like "How not to run a cafe" cafe.

moffkalast2• 3 years ago

But we can’t say “God is watching”. Because we killed him.

God was using a screen I see.

divan2• 3 years ago

E-book readers are screens, sorry. You’re welcome to read a regular book. We have whole shelves of them.

I switched to e-books 12+ years ago, and I can't read regular books anymore. First, I need to find really good light (like direct sun light on a sunny day). Otherwise my eyes become tired quickly. Second, the book has to have a good paper quality (cheap greyish paper diminishes contrast). Third, the font should be large enough again not to strain the eyes. Fourth, regular book is heavier, I can't hold it with one hand, so end up sitting in uncomfortable positions (hello lumbar back pain, fellow readers). Fifth, I have utmost respect to paper books (parents had a library, so I grew up between books), and I have to wash my hands and dry them perfectly before I touch a paper book. I don't feel comfortable eating a croissant and read a paper book.

Not to mention that it's just not always possible to find or buy book you want, especially in a reasonable time.

Paper books are also screens in a way. Just with a user-controlled refresh rate (turn the page), and predefined images.

chrismartin7• 3 years ago

I understand and empathize. At the same time, we had to draw the line somewhere clear and simple. Maybe when No Screens Cafe goes out of business (as other commenters are predicting), we will open "No Screens Except E-Book Readers (And No, Your Phone is Not an E-Book Reader) Cafe".

brianwawok2• 3 years ago

Just go the no non-e-ink-screens cafe.

divan2• 3 years ago

Sorry if my comment did sound dismissive of the idea of No Screens Cafe. It's kinda opposite. I'm doing my own "no screens cafe" regularly. Just today, I left my phone and iPad at home, grabbed some snacks and water, an e-reader, and went to the forest nearby on a bike just to sit and read the book for a few hours.

The reason for me is simple – gadgets and online presence wreak havoc on an ability to focus and concentrate. I miss childhood days when I could get lost in a book for a good half a day.

So this "no e-books" policy kinda ruined the analogy for me (I would love to have such a cafe nearby, but where I can read). But I get that it's not that easy to tell if it's a tablet or an e-book, and many e-books have browsers and the internet and a full-fledged Linux box inside, so there is no easy way to draw a line.

What's the broader idea behind No Screens Cafe? The article does a good job of describing the rules but not explaining the reasoning behind them.

93po6• 3 years ago

sounds like you should probably only go to the no screens cafe if you want to do something other than read a book

smaudet4• 3 years ago

I am not sure this place exists - if they do there is no website.

I like the concept, practically banning phones would be hard. Other commenters are saying there would be no traffic, but actually when this sort of thing has been tried in past businesses have experienced boosts in sales.

No parking would be a bit difficult, but I guess you could put it in a highrise or off of a bike trail, which would be fantastic.

Lack of cars isn't really judgey, they do both pollute and make noise, plus you do end up with safety issues and ugly tar roads. They don't say never drive them, just they aren't going to make it easy for you.

Which in the USA would make things difficult as nearly everything requires a car and so nobody is used to walking so few people do even if they might otherwise do so.

I like the concept - I do agree the no credit card thing is a bit much - if you could design a screen less card reader (led status lights and rotary number displays), that would make I perfect IMO.

nayuki2• 3 years ago

I've seen screenless "tap to pay" thingies before, so it is possible. https://www.rogers.com/business/blog/en/tapping-into-the-dem...

nayuki2• 3 years ago

We don’t have any parking for cars. Cars kill innocent pedestrians and emit toxic gas. Cars ruin cities.

I see they resonate with Reddit/FuckCars.

groby_b• 3 years ago

I mean, I get that HN covers a wide range of interests, and I love that.

But, let's be clear: this is a juvenile rant, at best. It's not an actual cafe. It doesn't propose anything actually workable. It shows no curiosity around the change of culture that occured, or what a change back would look like, just judgment. There's no commitment to building anything real. The writing is subpar.

Is that really "gratifying intellectual curiosity" in any way?

bastawhiz2• 3 years ago

Except everyone has a phone and carries it with them all the time. Someone gets a text or call from their kid during school hours, but has to leave to check it. Your spouse texts, but you're halfway through a scone, so you need to take your food on the road to find out whether they need something. It's just oppressive absolutism; eliminating a critical part of people's everyday lives (even for folks who would find respite in a break from screens) to the point of banning digital payments is not doing anything to create a safe space. It's creating an ideal, not a friendly place.

apricot• 3 years ago

What's to stop someone who carries a phone from turning it off before entering the cafe? You can read those texts later.

ghaff3• 3 years ago

Because people wouldn't. A lot of people will argue that they need to be reachable at all times if it's at all possible. And of course the general expectation is that I can go out and about even though I know someone may need to reach me.

bastawhiz2• 3 years ago

Nothing. You could leave it at home, too. But that's not the point. We live in an age where, arguably, we all feel safer because we're able to contact loved ones immediately. Visiting this hypothetical cafe implies that we also eliminate our ability to receive and respond to time-sensitive messages. That's perhaps a luxury, but it's a luxury that we rely on.

If my home security system tells me that it heard broken glass, I want to know now, not in thirty minutes. If my kid needs to be picked up from school, I want to know now. If my spouse's employer calls to tell me they've been sent to the hospital, I want to know now. Anyone with a job that requires them to be reachable for emergencies (like an emergency responder on their lunch break) cannot attend this cafe. In today's society, it's a luxury to have no responsibilities to anyone such that you aren't reachable for hours at a time.

It's wild to think of a place that would be exclusionary of parents, caregivers, partners, and more simply because of an absolutist policy. And you've got to be carrying cash. And of course, there's no ATM because that would have a screen. For a huge swath of the population, this is simply a non-starter.

martopix3• 3 years ago

I like the idea a lot and would genuinely go to such a place. And I guess the judgemental tone is there because the idea is to specifically cater to the kind of people who feel sick of screens.

But I don't understand the position against accepting cards. And I guess I also kinda disagree on e-readers, although modern ones can be used to connect to the internet and stuff, I suppose.

alphabet9000• 3 years ago

hey so we don't allow screens here, and we're going to ask you to leave. hmm no thanks, im not going anywhere

county sheriffs office. yea hi, um, we have this guy, he wont leave our store, and um, yeah, he refuses to leave, and, we just need somebody to get him to leave. ok, what is your location? were at no screens cafe. ok we have someone on the way. okay, thank you

chrismartin7• 3 years ago

"One more question, do your officers carry a smartphone or anything like that? Anything with a screen? Okay, any chance they could turn that off before they come inside? Yeah, I'm sorry. It's the No Screens Cafe. We also don't allow firearms or weapons. Your body cameras don't have screens, right? Okay, good, you can leave that on."

93po6• 3 years ago

if they ask you to leave and you don't, it's trespassing. they have a legal right to ask you to leave for any non-protected reason or no reason at all

Animats• 3 years ago

Starbucks is like that now. They removed all the tables and chairs from some locations, for homeless-proofing. Didn't lower the prices, though.

caconym_2• 3 years ago

Not sure if this is a real thing or a provocation piece but the concept would be much more interesting to me if it was a "no connectivity cafe", perhaps implemented with some sort of Faraday cage setup. My primary creative output is written fiction, and short of writing longhand (no thanks) or toting around some kind of vintage typewriter, which I would consider a waste of money and generally an insufferable affectation, it looks like this isn't a place for me to go and spend money and be creative. Sorry!

chrismartin7• 3 years ago

I struggled with this one, caconym_.

A few minutes before I had this idea, I wrote down "Faraday Cafe. No wifi. No cell signal." But then I thought about how hard it might be to build one that blocked modern 5G/wifi networks. (Can any RF/electrical engineers weigh in?)

I scribbled these ideas with pen and paper while getting breakfast this morning (phone and laptop put away). Then I went to a park to write the post on my laptop (without a network connection). Then I turned on my phone and hotspot in order to post it. (An hour later, I'm still gazing at the internet.)

I'm super open to other ideas.

caconym_2• 3 years ago

But then I thought about how hard it might be to build one that blocked modern 5G/wifi networks. (Can any RF/electrical engineers weigh in?)

It's a good question. I would love it if a place like that existed near me, but I have no idea how possible/practical it is. I _think_ a fine enough mesh will block pretty much everything, but it might be expensive to set up in a real business space.

drewcoo• 3 years ago

Meh. I'd rather see some kind if anti-literate cafe (called X maybe) that banned reading, ban on Braille, too, to be inclusive.

The point is toe be defiantly cutesy/cringey, right?

sircastor• 3 years ago

Okay so this is not a real Cafe, right?

I think in the US this sort of business might fly if you’re in a very large city that is easily commutable. Otherwise I can’t see how there’s enough patronage to maintain a space, and pay people.

It’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’d mesh with reality (again, in the US)

lbrito• 3 years ago

The concept is cool, but man, have they missed the edginess mark.

Yes, there’s a bathroom. Inside it, a sign says “Big Brother is Watching”. We don’t have cameras or anything creepy like that. But we can’t say “God is watching”. Because we killed him.

I feel like there is a long-forgotten proto-Indo-European symbol that conveys the amount of cringiness this paragraph exudes.

sverona• 3 years ago

If you're going to run a shop like this, it had better have a newsstand, a library, a collection of board games, and the best coffee in town.

jemmyw• 3 years ago

No cafe near me caters to laptop users. It's a bit more of a rural/farming/touristy area. I'd love a cafe that included a place to work and/or read.

darepublic• 3 years ago

If you blog it, they will come

No Screens Cafe

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