They’re selling nudes of imaginary women on Reddit

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/ai-nudes-selling-reddit-1234708474/

by whalesalad • 3 years ago

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andrewclunn• 3 years ago

This was the obvious next step to anyone paying attention. I refer to my earlier comment on a recent thread regarding AI:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35512567

booleandilemma• 3 years ago

I wonder why your previous comment was flagged and this one is getting downvoted. You seem to be making sense.

The whole situation reminds me of this Futurama scene:

https://youtu.be/wJ6knaienVE

natpalmer1776• 3 years ago

I'm afraid I don't understand why you're being flagged into oblivion for these comments.

While I don't agree wholly with your take on the situation, the fact remains that there is a situation about which dialogue must be had. In my cohort (M26, 90's kids) the number of young men who have completely eschewed long-term relationships in favor of short-term hookups or other forms of gratification is somewhat alarming.

As (albeit weak) evidence that this is due to the changing roles, expectations, and power (im)balance between men & women, simply look at the sheer volume of 'toxic masculinity' podcasts, social media accounts, and other platforms spouting these jaded worldviews. Men are raising other men up who are saying what they believe to be true but lack the voice to say. The inherent truth of the message is not what is concerning, but rather the rate at which the beliefs are spreading.

As a man who has been happily married for the past 6 years with two kids I love more than life itself, I have very little personal stake in this issue; however the fact remains that this issue is very real and is affecting a large proportion of young men.

anonzzzies2• 3 years ago

What’s the difference? I won’t be meeting the real girls so they might as well be fake.

Workaccount2• 3 years ago

There already a few chatGPT "companion" projects that give ChatGPT a cutting edge AI voice and "girlfriend" pre-prompts.

The onlyfans phenomenon might turn out to just be a flash in the pan.

josefresco• 3 years ago

Dating sim that does your taxes: https://taxheaven3000.com - No idea if it's powered by "AI".

RodgerTheGreat• 3 years ago

It is in no way AI related; it's a standard visual novel.

eh9• 3 years ago

Pretty sure it was powered by MSCHF

danso• 3 years ago

Fwiw that tax sim is a joke project done by a well known art collective

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF

jsnell• 3 years ago

Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523527

dcchambers3• 3 years ago

Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates).

The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine.

And I think we're going to see the rate of mental illness, suicide, mass shootings, etc continue to climb to numbers that not long ago would have been unfathomable.

I don't want to be an AI luddite but I am terrified.

ChuckNorris89• 3 years ago

Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates

Yes, because of housing, healthcare, childcare and education costs spiraling out of control and the difficulty of getting well paying jobs to cover those costs are pushing youngsters to spend their youth and most fertile years hunched behind a desk studying and working to climb the corporate ladder to afford a home bigger than a shoebox in the sticks with a 30 year mortgage, not because of AI generated porn.

Graphic porn has been around for over 100 years and blaming it now for falling birthrates has got to be the silliest things ever, up there with blaming avocado toast for millennials being poor.

Present society is economically fucking the young generations for monetary gains, and they're aware everything is stacked against them, so instead of taking part in this impossible to win ratrace/squidgame, they choose to check out of the most expensive things in life (traditional marriage and having kids) and instead spend their adulthood on various hobbies and individualistic hedonistic endeavors (smoking pot, VR porn and anime waifus, videogames, being a perpetual nomad in cheap countries, avocado toast, lattes, etc.). All these things are the effect, but not the root cause.

wlesieutre• 3 years ago

People shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them!

People can't afford kids and aren't having them

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dcchambers3• 3 years ago

I'm not saying AI porn is the cause of it, I'm saying it's going to be another thing added on to the stack of issues that already exist.

rohit2412• 3 years ago

I'm sure they play a role, but I have read that even teenagers are having less sex.

I don't think teenagers are thinking about housing and childcare when not pursuing sex.

mr_00ff005• 3 years ago

Jobs getting harder or bot paying well is a odd explanation of low birth rates.

After all, quality of life is way better than 100 years ago, and 100 years ago people would have 8 children at like 25.

standardUser2• 3 years ago

Cost of living is a factor, but the demographic shift we are seeing throughout the developed and developing world is well-documented and has many causes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

I know a lot of 20 and 30-something urbanites who don't plan to have children and I doubt cheaper rent or free childcare would make them change their entire life trajectory. There's a lot of other factors at play.

anonzzzies2• 3 years ago

This is how AI will destroy us? It’s like the holodeck on Star Trek: if that would exist, almost no human would do anything else than be there 24/7. The low-fi versions we will have the coming years might be enough to at least keep the male part of society permanently occupied.

xnx• 3 years ago

Video games are already a very good approximation for virtual worlds.

spacemadness• 3 years ago

This is simple moral panic backed up by nothing but gut feel.

dcchambers3• 3 years ago

Is it? The number of teens that do things like date, have sex, drive, work, or hang out in person/go to parties has already fallen off a cliff thanks to social media.[^1] Who is to say AI won't make that trend even worse?

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340562787_Students%...

haswell• 3 years ago

You might be correct that some people are panicking about this for moral reasons, but I don’t think we can conclude that’s all that is happening here, or that this is a baseless concern.

Taking morals out of this, and instead focusing on human nature along with current trends, it’s not hard to imagine this having a real impact.

I don’t think any of these possible downsides are a foregone conclusion, but neither should we dismiss the unpredictable impact of developments that fundamentally alter the sources of satisfaction for basic human biological drives. We already know that we’ll happily trade the future for short term satisfaction, so when something new comes onto the scene that encourages the proliferation of this behavior, we should bring curiosity, not dismissal.

We’ve already observed similar phenomena in nature [0] (the bottles were eventually redesigned to protect the species), and while this doesn’t prove that humans are as susceptible as beetles, it’s worth considering the nature of unintended consequences.

The term moral panic has started to lose its meaning, and caution about AI should not be conflated with unjustifiable beliefs about culturally controversial pastimes. They are orthogonal and unlike each other, and the nature of the concerns are quite different.

- [0] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1440-6055.1983...

voldacar• 3 years ago

This would just select for people who actually want kids, and after the initial population bottleneck the species would be fine

wowyallsuck• 3 years ago

Nobody thinks there’s a biological cause to the demographic challenges so many nations look to be facing.

So what you’ve stated is true but tautological with respect to all of the potential causes of the bottleneck.

The real concern is getting through the bottleneck at all, and without societal upheaval.

staticman23• 3 years ago

Since we're imagining things, we could choose to spend our time imagining good things!

The comic book Marvelman has Marvelwoman invent the ultimate A.I. algorithm to help people find romantic partners.

The latest William Gibson novel has a benevolent A.I. tell people things like

"Your Mom just woke up, I can tell because she's scrolling Twitter. You should give her a call."

JoeJonathan• 3 years ago

The perennial panic on HN over declining birth rates seems like thinly veiled cover for cultural conservatism.

First off, if we want to bring the birth rate back up, we would probably do well to implement social policies that makes having kids less of a nightmare for everyone but the very rich or very poor: generous paternal leave, some kind of childcare (a creche-like system), better tax credits, good public schools, etc. I understand that well-paid developers might be less attuned to this kind of thing, but as a non-dev professional in a HCOL city with a young baby, I promise you that economic factors are the major reason we will not have another child.

Second, while I understand that the economy is organized around ever-growing populations, it seems like at some point, we'll have to figure out how to deal with declining or flat birthrates. We can't just grow forever, can we? Could the planet really sustain triple or quadruple the current population?

tomjen3• 3 years ago

Can you point to some places that have implemented some, or all, of your policies and have seen some sustained growth in birth rates.

e63f67dd-065b• 3 years ago

Demography is in some sense the primary driving factor behind an economy. The ratio of working people to the unproductive cannot stray too low, otherwise you run into the double whammy of economic problems where fewer workers sustain the pensions of more elderly and political problems where the elderly, who wield more political influence, vote to increase their own pensions (or just never decrease, which effectively raises taxes on the working as fewer of them support more elderly) at the expense of the working. The key indicator here is the "age dependency ratio".

First off, if we want to bring the birth rate back up, we would probably do well to implement social policies that makes having kids less of a nightmare for everyone but the very rich or very poor: generous paternal leave, some kind of childcare (a creche-like system), better tax credits, good public schools, etc. I understand that well-paid developers might be less attuned to this kind of thing, but as a non-dev professional in a HCOL city with a young baby, I promise you that economic factors are the major reason we will not have another child.

Oh boy, tell that to all the developed asian economies. What you're describing is known as pro-natalist policies, and many east asian countries have tried (and failed) to raise fertility by implementing them. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, all have varying degrees of pro-natalist policies, none of which have been met with much success. I think there's a case to be made that their demographic problems would be worse if they didn't implement these policies though.

Second, while I understand that the economy is organized around ever-growing populations, it seems like at some point, we'll have to figure out how to deal with declining or flat birthrates. We can't just grow forever, can we? Could the planet really sustain triple or quadruple the current population?

Quite trivially. America alone throws a huge portion of its perfectly good food into making biofuels and feeding livestock; the primary constraint on food is not that we can't grow more, it's that it gets more expensive on the margin. When farmland runs out, you move to hydroponics, then to aeroponics, and those can grow 10x the food in the same amount of space. Water from the oceans is effectively limitless, desalination is just more expensive. Not everybody can have cars, but that's why you build public transit. And on and on it goes. Resources are not finite, it's not a video game where earth has 1000 units of iron and that's it. They just get more expensive on the margin, which then shifts consumption patterns to establish a new equilibrium. Recycling starts becoming profitable, some metals get too expensive and are only used in high-end applications, etc.

moonchrome• 3 years ago

I can't really relate to this. Since when is dating and having kids about conversations ? If porn didn't sidetrack me getting a kid I'd say chatbots wouldn't even be a factor in the equation.

PeterisP• 3 years ago

On the other hand, if the birth rate decline results in a significant population decline (i.e. not corrected by migration) then there are various balancing economic factors that should counteract it on the scale of a generation or so.

A major component in the affordability to raise a family is the cost housing in desirable locations, which is mostly driven by a population increase there, and would fall during a population decrease; and a decrease in work-aged people combined with an aging population obviously pushes salaries up, if other things in the job market stay equal.

And if we're speaking about the world as a whole, we're so far from a population crisis - the current trends of global birth rates still imply a population growth until something like 10 billion; while even a halving of population from the current number to 4 billion wouldn't be something to be terrified, I mean, the world had 4 billion people during 1970s.

codedokode• 3 years ago

You people and governments want high birth rate but do not want to pay for it.

galaxytachyon• 3 years ago

With the rising number of single young adults, this will just feed the fire. We may eventually end up with a generation that is unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship.

On one hand, this is definitely not ideal. But on the other hand, I can't blame them for seeking the easy way. A good relationship requires almost unacceptable sacrifices for a young adult considering the rising costs and stagnant wages and the expectations from their partners and family and workplace. Not to mention potential complications such as cheating, abuse, emotional issues, and maybe even legal problems. Way too much risk for just too little gain.

A simulation has maybe 50% of the benefits and none of the downside. In a way, this is the result that we as a society has pushed for. And we might be about to pay a price for it.

standardUser2• 3 years ago

It seems to me the Boomers were the generation "unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship", hence the rise in divorces and latchkey kids and single-parent homes. Boomers are still getting divorced at a higher rate than other generations. A lot of younger generations may just be trying to avoid the very obvious mistakes their parents and grandparents made when they married the first or second person they dated and then had children as quickly as possible.

lapama• 3 years ago

We are beyond family as a basic unit of human civilisation.

tambourine_man• 3 years ago

I remember walking out of the movie Her, by Spike Jonze, thinking it was a nice sensible film, but definitively pushing it in the plausibility sense.

I rewatched it a couple of weeks ago and it felt like a documentary. The movie is 10 years old.

Many of you have probably watched/rewatched it recently, but if you haven’t, I highly recommend it.

The wooden frame on computers, valuing things “written by humans” hit close to home.

tennisflyi• 3 years ago

Porn should fetch a premium if you can prove it's "real" then.