Rust Web Framework Comparison

https://github.com/flosse/rust-web-framework-comparison

by neverminder • 4 years ago

63 33 4 years ago

These are the kinds of things that make me think, "Do you really need Javascript or C++ or Haskell anymore?" Can't we just use Rust from top to bottom for pretty much everything?!

paulgb• 4 years ago

We can! It’s a lot of work because you don’t have the whole JS ecosystem to fall back on, but to some that’s a feature not a bug.

My favorite example of this is https://makepad.dev

Mikeb85• 4 years ago

I mean, Unix/Linux was top to bottom C for a long time. It still kind of is. Higher level languages aren't needed per se, but they do make life easier.

haskellandchill• 4 years ago

Rust and Haskell present a very different programming experience, and so does an untyped language like JavaScript. Just because you can program in Rust for web development doesn't mean developers will want that type of experience. The C++ comparison makes more sense since Rust presents that style of programming done better.

Existenceblinks• 4 years ago

Until Rust shows me lightweight binary size story.

fleventynine• 4 years ago

The language itself is lightweight enough to use on tiny microcontrollers. Most bloat on the host side comes down to your choice of dependencies (clap is one of the worst offenders in my experience, bloating a simple command line tool by as much as 10x in both size and compile time).

wongarsu• 4 years ago

You absolutely can. The biggest snag in "rust everything" is in web frontends. Yew is decent, but getting JavaScript developers is so much easier than getting Rust developers who like (web) frontend work.

skohan2• 4 years ago

It's also just a matter of the massive amount of prior art available on the JS side. There's so much you would have to create from scratch in Rust which is already an npm package.

KAKAN• 4 years ago

If you think about it, the reason Rust, or any other programming language were created, was simply because other languages had something lacking...

There's no single language that's the greatest. Haskell has different aims than Rust. If you're using Haskell for frontend development, you probably need to reconsider your choices, I think

skohan2• 4 years ago

I'm not convinced Rust would ever be the right "everything language".

Currently I find myself reaching for it for almost every domain, largely thanks to the ADT's and amazing tooling, but it's a bit low level and sometimes tedious for certain sets of applications where more approachable languages, like Python and JS currently are the standard bearers.

Personally I think we would get really far with Rust, and some yet-to-exist higher level language with a modern type system built on top of the Cargo ecosystem.

Then maybe C and/or something like Zig for niche applications where extreme memory efficiency is the main constraint.

Waterluvian3• 4 years ago

You can with basically any language. But it would likely be a bad idea. You will eventually have created such an abstraction that you’ve got a new language.

Django is written in C after all. ;)

rascul4• 4 years ago

GitHub says it's 97.1% python and doesn't list C.

https://github.com/django/django

reducesuffering• 4 years ago

Have you tried writing a web backend in Rust?

See Primeagen, a Senior Eng at Netflix w/ Rust as his #1 lang, and his experience writing a quick web backend in Go, Rust, and TS:

https://youtu.be/Z0GX2mTUtfo?t=267

lemper• 4 years ago

to be quite honest, this kind of evangelism is what drives me away from rust.

andrewmcwatters2• 4 years ago

This isn't a comparison... this is a series of lists.

hutrdvnj• 4 years ago

That makes me wonder if there is a web framework for Haskell that compiles to WASM.

belmont_sup• 4 years ago

Haskell has a garbage collector, and the wasm gc proposal has just hit stage 3. Once and if this continues and gets implemented, then we’ll see how Haskell (and fingers crossed, ocaml) gets compiled to wasm.

I’d love to deploy Haskell or ocaml on some of these new cloud wasm hosts.

tazjin• 4 years ago

Curious why rouille (my personal server-side favourite) is marked as "outdated". Because it doesn't use async? That's the point!

It had a release fairly recently (less than 3 weeks ago) and works perfectly fine with a pretty stable API.

Edit: I opened a PR to fix it! https://github.com/flosse/rust-web-framework-comparison/pull...

andrewmcwatters2• 4 years ago

Because it's an undisciplined collection of many people's hard work, boiled down to overly simplistic attributes used to highlight some repositories and put others down.

hn92726819• 4 years ago

That doesn't mean it's outdated. You might be right or wrong about your point, but that's what comparisons are for.

That's like saying "I refuse to compare Linux to windows because windows is bad"... Not helpful for anyone actually wanting the differences

ofrzeta2• 4 years ago

I was confused for some minutes because the first hit when I googled "rouille rust" is "rouille (French for Rust) is here to save your day, as it allows you to write Rust programs in French, using French keywords, French function names, French idioms." with code like:

  statique mutable DICTIONNAIRE: PeutÊtre<Dico<Chaine, Chaine>> = Rien;

That's probably "Option" in English Rust?

ttfkam• 4 years ago

Peut être: "Maybe"/"Perhaps"

Literally: "Could be"

anxiously• 4 years ago

I tried to enjoy rust and make a service with it to give it a test run. I really disliked the reliance on so many third party libraries to get things done.

Is this not possible using the standard library alone?

rascul4• 4 years ago

Sure, you can write the stuff yourself instead of using a third party library. Might be harder than it sounds, though.

bobbylarrybobby• 4 years ago

If you make a tree of crate dependencies, the root is the standard library. So yes, you could build it all yourself with the standard library, it would just be really unpleasant.

I agree, it would be nice the if the rust foundation would give their blessing to some important crates like serde and regex, but putting them in the standard library only makes them harder to evolve. In particular, breaking changes go from being unpleasant to disallowed altogether.

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