Dozens in cardiac arrest in Halloween crowds in South Korea

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63440849

by IdealeZahlen • 4 years ago

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zython• 4 years ago

Other source says: (ap) "South Korean officials say dozens of people were in cardiac arrest after being crushed by a large crowd pushing forward on a narrow street during Halloween festivities in the capital Seoul."

monkeynotes2• 4 years ago

Thank you, the BBC left that question begging. I was thinking maybe it was some kind of neurotoxin attack, mass hysteria, or something as yet unknown.

scoot• 4 years ago

Except that it didn't: "Dozens of people are reported to be in cardiac arrest after a reported crush among crowds in a popular nightlife area of South Korea's capital, Seoul." (Not that that's what "begging the question" means anyway, but let's not go there! :)

sva_• 4 years ago

Video footage https://nitter.net/theseoulite/status/1586377215457230848#m

weird-eye-issue• 4 years ago

Warning: There are potentially dozens of dead bodies visible in this video

Shared404• 4 years ago

Thank you for linking to Nitter, it's much appreciated.

serf• 4 years ago

surreal to see chest compressions occurring in such quantity in a single scene.

arunc• 4 years ago

What an insane, click bait title from BBC! No mention of stampede!

systemvoltage• 4 years ago

If you've ever watched BBC in 1980s, the contrast couldn't be more stark. An amazing institution destroyed by modern journos.

PartiallyTyped• 4 years ago

Perhaps the reason is not modern journalists but click baits, incentive to make money, desire for outrage, rampant populism from politicians and so on.

chrisseaton• 4 years ago

They probably couldn’t confirm it was a stampede.

HPsquared• 4 years ago

It's in the first sentence though, described as a crush.

1-6• 4 years ago

It’s still a developing situation but a famous celebrity could be involved in why so many were crowded together.

okasaki• 4 years ago

The BBC (and all other UK institutions like The Guardian) is basically entirely clickbait and US propaganda nowadays.

joshspankit2• 4 years ago

BBC fell off my radar when they stopped being truly informative so I’m out of the loop on this: how did they become US propaganda?

erk__• 4 years ago

The title have since been updated to "South Korea Halloween crush kills 120, injures 100 - officials" since they likely got more information now.

yellow_lead• 4 years ago

Crowds can be extremely dangerous

monkeynotes2• 4 years ago

Whenever I am in a big crowd I have an exit plan, if my exit options diminish to one or two options I get out. I've been in a crush before, it's terrifying, especially being 5'3".

kodah2• 4 years ago

I go to a pretty large festival. My partner and I talk about a plan to exit for every set we go to and we generally go to the same location in each crowd.

downvotetruth• 4 years ago

Incident seems a bit disperse for a crush? Usually would be a choke point like a door instead bodies on the road & the mention of '81 reports of "shortness of breath"'.

Edit: "local media reports earlier said the crush happened after a large number of people rushed to a bar after hearing a celebrity was visiting." https://sg.news.yahoo.com/south-korea-100-injured-people-155...

Barrin92• 4 years ago

I was at the love parade in Duisburg in 2010 when IIRC 20 people died and over 500 were injured after too many people tried to rush through a tight ramp and it caused a mass panic. I think most of the victims literally suffocated from having their chests crushed.

mardifoufs• 4 years ago

Stampedes and crowd crushes are just terrifying. That famous nightclub fire video that had people die from getting crushed at the exit was a total nightmare.

I actually wonder if there are ways to survive or at least spot a crush early. It's not something I really worry about, all things considered, but it will definitely be in my mind whenever I decide to do my Mecca pilgrimage. Though considering the gigantic crowds involved there, there's probably nothing you can do even if you spot very early signs of a crush anyway.

frontman1988• 4 years ago

Keeping your arms up and creating space for yourself using your elbows should work most of the times if you are average/above average in height. It's mostly kids and women who suffer most in stampedes due to getting trampled or choked by the pressure of the crowd.

tpmx• 4 years ago

Yeah. From AP: 120 dead.

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1586418872206360577

lost_tourist2• 4 years ago

I just never get in crowds like that I would simply turn around before entering a mass of people like that.

skaushik92• 4 years ago

There’s something to be said for the media alerting everyone in their localities of potential Halloween threats. Every time the media alert us of some new threat (e.g rainbow fentanyl) and it’s a false alarm, people ultimately experience a sort of cry-wolf effect and this results in kids experiencing the negative consequences.

The media ultimately aren’t incentivized properly to reserve these reports to account for these transitive impacts, and as long as we’re consuming these channels for free they end up cashing in on our fears and showing us these reports to make a quick buck.

Spooky in its own way I guess.

redanddead• 4 years ago

Yeah just this morning I saw in bold on my newsfeed: "URGENT RECALL" for some chocolate bars from costco or whatever, and this is days before Halloween.

It was a small quality-control/expiry date recall for adult snacks.

I don't see this kind of behavior ending well for anyone involved.

rippercushions• 4 years ago

Is "cardiac arrest" in Korea code for "dead", the way it is in Japan? There people can only legally be declared dead at hospitals, so people are reported to be "in cardiac arrest" even if they've been (say) decapitated.

Waterluvian• 4 years ago

Huh that’s fascinating. In Canada there’s a small list of cases where paramedics can declare someone dead. Decapitation is one of them.

Traubenfuchs• 4 years ago

In Austria we call it "conditions incompatible with life".

oehtXRwMkIs• 4 years ago

In CA (and probably elsewhere) the list usually also contains incineration, decomposition, rigor mortis, and livor mortis. And depending on the county the list can also include other signs that are a bit more nuanced. Such as apneic + pulseless + DNR. Or submerged for over an hour.

Yizahi• 4 years ago

Aka "rapid unscheduled disassembly"

kbumsik2• 4 years ago

I am Korean and we are getting "dead confirmed" number separately now, reported by hospitals. So yes, "cardiac arrest" is reported from the accident site and it is unlikely that they are going to survive.

I wonder how it is different in other countries.

bkjelden• 4 years ago

In the US journalists will often use the term 'unresponsive' in similar situations.

andrelaszlo• 4 years ago

Swedish media usually say "seriously injured" until police or hospitals confirm.

joshspankit2• 4 years ago

I guess “stopped heart” is technically correct. Odd that there’s an overlap where in North America we normally think of it as meaning heart attack.

yongjik• 4 years ago

I don't think I've seen "cardiac arrest" used like this in Korean news until recently. Might be a recent shift by journalists.

89vision• 4 years ago

reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

goldenkey• 4 years ago

What a disastrous rabbit hole.. It seems like the switch in police command led to lack of proper crowd control, and with hot spots, led to the crushing.

barbazoo• 4 years ago

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Dozens in cardiac arrest in Halloween crowds in South Korea

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