Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv

https://mezha.media/en/2022/10/10/russians-hit-the-office-and-r-d-center-of-samsung-in-kyiv/

by yoft • 4 years ago

130 113 4 years ago

That building, on the 6th floor, contains a gym with a two lane swimming pool. I visited when I moved to Kyiv, about two months ago, when I looking to find a pool. I can see the building from my apartment (I'm on the 15th floor). I heard the strikes, this morning, at about 9.30am, and saw the plume of smoke rising from the impact site. There were more strikes, about 30 minutes later, a lot further away, and out of sight, so I don't know where they were.

keyle• 4 years ago

Oh man that sounds dreadful. The casualties at this time would have been disastrous if they couldn't WFH... And all civilians :(

javajosh• 4 years ago

You moved to Kyiv 2 months ago?!

exhilaration• 4 years ago

I'm assuming he didn't move there from New York but another part of Ukraine. Kiev is relatively safe compared to parts closer to the front lines.

tut-urut-utut• 4 years ago

Why not? Kiev was a safe place to live until the current escalation. For example, much safer than the city of Donetsk and other cities close to the front line which are under fire almost daily since the beginning of the operation, many of them since at least 8 years, though not at such intensity.

Max-Ganz-II5• 4 years ago

Yes, to help (economically - I have no military training) with the war.

techdragon• 4 years ago

I know some people probably got injured or died but I just cannot help but wonder about two things. First, did the damage drain the pool. Second, if it did drain out what does a large pool draining out the 6th floor of a building look like? Does it end up leaking out from all sides? Does it just leak into the building in a way that isn’t visible from the outside? Does it cascade out, leaking entirely from one side via some unlikely but structurally possible crack that sprays it all in the direction of one side of the building where there happened to be a damaged window…

It’s by far the least important thing in the circumstances of this tragedy and my heart goes out to those affected by the important aspects of this strike. But I am simultaneously mesmerised by the how unlikely it is that you get a sudden and dramatic draining of a volume of water this big this high off the ground, I mean if you demolished a building you would drain the pool first, if you think the building might collapse you’ll drain the pool to remove extra load on the structure well before anything goes wrong… it’s just so unlikely that a full pool would be drained like this.

cm21873• 4 years ago

I would assume it would primarily go through the elevator shafts and emergency staircases. But water has a way to go through random paths. I live in a concrete building, a neighbour had a leak toward the center of the building, the water made its way through underneath the apartment floors and started pouring from the facade though I couldn’t see any opening.

the_gipsy• 4 years ago

this is really not the time, techdragon.

ncmncm6• 4 years ago

Curious about what was where it actually hit. Seems pretty clear Samsung was not the target. Electrical substation "across the street" would be a probable target, but was missed.

I.e., did it hit a plausibly intended target, or miss?

Max-Ganz-II5• 4 years ago

I've blogged, here;

https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10...

To my eye, the missile struck the roof of the low building next to the Samsung tower. The buildings there, as far as I know from looking at them, are light commerical - restaurants, shops, etc.

Suzuran• 4 years ago

All of Ukraine is the intended target.

tomatotomato37• 4 years ago

It's most certainly a miss. People have this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable. In reality these are still physical objects that are subject to mechanical failure/enemy action/entropy/whatever and the average failure rate is still such that you have to send a volley of 3 or 4 guided missiles downrange to absolutely guarantee a kill.

jddil• 4 years ago

Miss? Russia is indiscriminately firing missiles into dense civilian areas for maximum terror.

They did not miss.

rasz4• 4 years ago

officially they didnt miss anything

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-defence-ministr...

Russian defence ministry said in its daily briefing:
"The goal of the strike has been achieved. All designated targets were hit,"

ergo this childrens playground was the intended target https://mobile.twitter.com/ArmanSoldin/status/15793548449511... https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1579357969577545729

rasz4• 4 years ago

Over 70 cruise missiles in multiple waves. Kh-101 at $13mil a pop makes it $1B just to target civilian population and infrastructure.

viraptor2• 4 years ago

An interesting article just under this one: https://mezha.media/en/2022/10/10/massive-attack-on-ukrainia...

45 out of 80 missiles shot down. I suspect they're not on a high alert right now away from the frontline, so that sounds like a good result. I wonder if I'm right or is the system mostly automated and "being ready" wouldn't make a difference.

anovikov4• 4 years ago

This "system" mostly consists of men on duty with MANPADS. They either shoot the missile down or, if they don't manage to because it flies overhead too quickly, call the next guy in the direction it flew to, informing them that a missile is incoming for that direction (it will be a short time, 1-2 minutes). So the next guy will be fully prepared and knows where to look. That simple.

If missiles flew too high for MANPADS, they'd be very easily shot down by proper SAMs or fighters, they survive by flying under the radar.

manholio• 4 years ago

If so, provoking this Russian vengeance strike is the best feat of the Ukrainian army by a mile. If you can bleed 1 billion in military spending with the cost of a few deaths and an lorry filled with explosives, that's by far the most effective way to win a war: you will quickly bankrupt Russia while your own army is still able to fight.

Sounds much like the V2 rocket program used by Hitler to punish the British for their continental bombing incursions; it was largely irrelevant militarily but very expensive.

londons_explore2• 4 years ago

The same missile can carry a nuclear warhead.

I'm guessing the whole thing is a show that any of those missiles might have had a nuclear bomb in, and Ukraine would have very little chance of shooting it down, since they wouldn't know which one to aim at.

I'd guess it's a negotiating tactic... The actual targets are mostly irrelevant.

Overtonwindow• 4 years ago

I'm curious, could they? I don't know anything about missiles, but it would seem logical that it takes a specific missile and detonation system to deliver a nuke. Could any missile delivery system carry a nuke?

rasz4• 4 years ago

OSINT community is monitoring ru nuclear infrastructure, no doubt US military is doing the same using mil sats. Im fairly confident US will know if ru are preparing to load nuclear warheads, and will pass this information (maybe, depending on US own agenda, how close to elections etc) just like they were sending constant escalating warnings (sadly ignored) in February.

chinathrow3• 4 years ago

We already know the capabilities of the russian army, why waste money to proof stuff already known?

tomjen3• 4 years ago

If they shot down 50% of the missiles, they have 50% chance to take down the bomb. If the bomb is not destroyed, it may be returned.

cm21873• 4 years ago

Seems to prove how imprecise and random the russian strikes are. They clearly have run out of precision missiles.

madspindel• 4 years ago

Russia is a terror state so I'm not really sure if they have run out of precision missiles...

ajuc• 4 years ago

It's intended. They know perfectly well how imprecise the missiles are, so they target center-of-population density basically. Then at least something will be hit.

ak_111• 4 years ago

Brings to mind Israel's frequent bombing of Gaza. They might have more precise missiles, but the the human density in Gaza is much greater, leading to more deaths, you can hardly blow a dynamite without bringing a whole building down.

risyachka• 4 years ago

They never had really precise missiles. And the missiles they use now were not precise even in ww2 standards.

schappim• 4 years ago

Why? What are the main limitations for precision? US switching off GPS? Glonass not up to the job? Is it a speed thing? Hard to get a position lock? Do you really need ultra accurate precision IMUs to compensate?

So many questions…

KptMarchewa10• 4 years ago

They deliberately target civilian buildings and areas to sow terror.

cm21873• 4 years ago

I am pretty sure they are not deliberately targeting a random samsung R&D center. They may do a deliberate random shelling of civilians but I don’t think this is the work of a precision strike.

ch4s3• 4 years ago

Seems insane given the discrediting of this kind of civilian targeting after WWII, where it was clearly demonstrated to increase a population’s willingness to keep fighting.

vonwoodson• 4 years ago

I’d never question Russian intelligence Or military capabilities. Nothing they say can be taken at face value, nothing they do can either. These guys are chess masters, after all.

I don’t want to make it sound, and any way that I like these assholes, I mean Fuck Putin. These pricks are incapable of even understanding decent human behavior, and have spread so many lies that I’m pretty convinced they have lost grip on reality and truth.

That having been said, everything about this illegal Ukraine invasion is tainted with spy games and propaganda. Dead “civilians”? Targeting Samsung? Inaccurate weapons? I don’t buy any of it. When it comes to this conflict, it’s a matter of faith: do you think The Nations who stand against (that asshole) Putin are good and justified? If so, then just keep the faith and don’t trust what you read. The alternative is to subject yourself to a carnival ride of fake news and lies that will leave your head spinning.

squidbeak2• 4 years ago

I'm curious, why don't you buy that there are civilian casualties from missiles striking major conurbations?

tibbydudeza2• 4 years ago

They ran out of their top tier surface to surface missiles and can't make new ones so they now mainly switched now using S300 anti-aircraft missiles which has a ground attack option but terrible accuracy.

coolspot• 4 years ago

S300 wasn’t used in this raid.

_visgean2• 4 years ago

And no military target was hit. Why did they target cities and not military targets on the front lines?

If you want to directly donate to UA army you can donate here https://www.supportukraine.cz/en.html via bank transfer and here https://www.weaponstoukraine.com/ by credit card.

hnbad• 4 years ago

Because they didn't learn their lesson from the 20th century that targeting civilians doesn't break resolve but reinvigorates it by making them hate you more.

Civilian targets are easier to hit because it doesn't matter what you're firing at specifically as the goal isn't destruction of specific targets but spreading terror. Hitting a military outpost needs to be much more precise because hitting an open patch nearby will do nothing but hitting a plaza or park will still inflict terror by maiming nearby civilians.

nerdponx• 4 years ago

I wonder if this was true in Germany or Japan during WW2 when the USA was firebombing cities (later nuking) and thereby mass murdering civilians. Did that strengthen the resolve of the German and Japanese people, or weaken it?

I remember reading something about how it didn't weaken resolve in Japan specifically because people were already prepared to fight until the last man. Presumably Ukranians are also prepared to do the same.

As for this specific attack, I wonder if the goal is to get global companies to fear operating in Ukraine, resulting in the same effects as if they'd been sanctioned.

throwaway9870• 4 years ago

Not true, Sherman proved it can work to great effect. In some cases like London, it strengthened the will of the civilians, in other wars it did not.

chinathrow3• 4 years ago

War crimes after war crimes, I hope justice day will come.

squidbeak2• 4 years ago

Perhaps because of the vengeful clamour in Russia's media to punish Ukraine with strikes on civilian infrastructure and give Ukrainians a dark freezing winter.

Front line strikes have limited value where the line is long and troop concentrations are dispersed.

dragontamer4• 4 years ago

Front line strikes have limited value where the line is long and troop concentrations are dispersed.

The Russians failed to strike RADAR, air-defenses, airplanes / fighters, drones, helicopters, or any other powerful (and expensive) targets. They were unable to strike M777 or HIMARS, or ammunition depos.

This means that the Russians do not have the intelligence, or capability, to strike at military targets. Or they're too stupid to understand proper SEAD operations or why the ammo-dumps are useful to blow up.

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Ukraine only has 120-ish M777 guns. Why didn't Russia just blow up all the M777 guns? Its not a big number. Or what about the 12 HIMARS launchers they're using? Its an incredibly small number of HIMARS.

Answer: Russia is incapable of doing so. They either don't have the intelligence to find them, or they are too well defended that Russia didn't think such strikes would be successful.

ThePowerOfFuet2• 4 years ago

Can you please stop giving out unofficial links?

Here are the official ones:

https://bank.gov.ua/en/about/support-the-armed-forces

https://bank.gov.ua/en/about/humanitarian-aid-to-ukraine

_visgean2• 4 years ago

The links that I posted are very much official. They are both projects of ukranian embassy in Prague. All the money will be used for direct weapons purchase.

Again this is official project by the ukranian government (https://czechia.mfa.gov.ua/cs/news/sbirka-na-podporu-ukrajin..., https://mil.in.ua/en/news/in-the-czech-republic-approximatel...). Yes the national bank has now some other options and that is cool but that does not make this project in any way unofficial.

theow7384iri3• 4 years ago

Perhaps better source, missile landed 150m from that building.

https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/samsung-building-hit-in-russia...

Max-Ganz-II5• 4 years ago

Looked closer to me. I could be completely wrong, but I think it hit the roof of the low building immediately next door.

tablespoon2• 4 years ago

Yeah, that's the far better source. The current OP (https://mezha.media/en/2022/10/10/russians-hit-the-office-an...) is propaganda-ish (look at that call to action at the end), even if it's propaganda I'm sympathetic to.

The questions I have are:

1. Was this building the indented target?

2. Does this building have any other tenants besides Samsung?

It's not like Russian own-goals are unprecedented in this war, but I'm somewhat skeptical of the framing here, since it could very well be calculated to influence South Koreans.

yread• 4 years ago

This tweet says there is a heat station just behind it

https://nitter.net/tinso_ww/status/1579404942116519937#m

possibly even worse optics than hitting an office building.

tibbydudeza2• 4 years ago

IRIS-T can't come soon enough.

It seems that Russian missiles can't hit anything - who is going to buy their overhyped moderns weapons unless they give it away at a discount???.

Turkey with their drones and France/Germany/US will be cleaning up former Russian clients.

diimdeep• 4 years ago

Vladimir Putin Announces Missile Strikes Across Ukraine - October 10, 2022 - English Subtitles [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbxh8fRP5Us

Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv

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