Chromebooks on sale at Amazon for $349

http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=os_chrm_54?&node=2858603011

by almightygod • 15 years ago

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hollerith• 15 years ago

Is the main market for chrome books (a) people who want to install Linux and other OSes on them and (b) people who do not want the hassle of adminning a traditional OS?

onemoreact• 15 years ago

If it's secure, easy to use and browses "the Facebook" I could see giving them to a relative and saivng a fair amount of tech support time. Granted an iPad fills the same nitch but it costs twice as much.

kenjackson3• 15 years ago

The iPad is only $150 more. A great conditioned used 1st gen iPad you can get for $50 more. I'll take a 1st gen ipad over this Chromebook easy.

notatoad2• 15 years ago

the theoretical market for chromebooks is people who only want a computer for facebook and email and want to buy something simple and cheap.

in practice, i think the market is just nerds who want to play with a chromebook because it's new and cool. i appreciate what google is trying to do with chromeOS, and i think it's a good idea, but they have failed miserably at marketing it to non-techies.

Zumzoa• 15 years ago

In terms of providing simple email, web use and facebook, the Chromebook may be out-performed by most modern mobile phones.

eggbrain5• 15 years ago

When I first saw the Chromebook, I figured it would be priced around $150, so that it was a no-brainer decision (especially with it's limitations over a normal laptop). But at $349, its still $75 more than an Acer Aspire One.

Make it $100-$150, and I'll buy it. As it stands though, its too much money and too little benefits.

lftl4• 15 years ago

To be fair as far as I can tell, there is no directly comparable Windows Acer Aspire One. All the 11.6" Acers I see run on a different chipset, and they're all only $20 cheaper than the Acer Chromebook.

When I first tried out the Chromebook, I thought the same thing about price. But I'm pretty sure Microsoft licenses Windows for these netbooks VERY cheaply, so there's not much price to be shaved by swapping out the OS.

To hit a significant price difference Chromebooks would have to skimp on the hardware compared to their Windows/Linux counterparts. The Chromebook I have already struggles with flash, so without dropping support for that completely I don't think there's much to trim off the CPU end of things. There's a little room to skimp on the HD compared to Windows, but not a ton. So basically I don't see any route other than being ad supported, rentals or some other type of Google subsidy for Chromebooks to actually become cheaper than the low end of the netbook segment.

jasongullickson• 15 years ago

What does Windows have to do with it? Couldn't you achieve "Chromebook-level-functionality" with a Linux model (since you'd be living out of the browser)?

nextparadigms4• 15 years ago

They don't really need to skimp on hardware. They just need to use the inexpensive ARM chips over the expensive Intel chips. That should cut at least $100 from the retail price. I can't believe they did the same mistake as with Google TV.

erikpukinskis• 15 years ago

The Chromebook I have already struggles with flash

A little off topic, but I find it interesting to note that what Apple has gotten in exchange for the flak they got for not including Flash on the iPad is that they don't have any reviews like this. People consider the iPad to have good performance.

If Google had taken the same route and left out Flash, not only might they have more room to trim the CPU, it might be a better value proposition performance-wise.

MatthewPhillips6• 15 years ago

Samsung Series 5 cost $334.32 to make.[1] Your price expectations are way off.

[1]http://www.thechromesource.com/with-what-it-costs-to-make-is...

mestudent• 15 years ago

To be honest I expect a chromebook to be priced similar or at the very least $200 for me to be competitive with a more powerful/portable netbook.

His expectations aren't off, the manufacturing limitations just don't meet them.

watty2• 15 years ago

I figured Google would try to use their ad-powered business strategy to lower the profit margin to near-zero or negative rather than competing against netbooks. Didn't PS3 sell hardware for much lower than cost to manufacture?

These things would sell like hotcakes for $200 and Google would grow in users and advertising revenue. I was just surprised that they're selling near netbook prices considering they're limited devices and tied so tightly into Google Services. I don't see them disrupting the mobile device industry with Chromebooks unless they decide that # of users is much more important than profit per sale.

adamc• 15 years ago

Sure, but I think the OP is right that the pricing makes it pretty unattractive given its limited benefits.

bane• 15 years ago

I could see $200-250. It's basically a big netbook with most of the ports and storage removed.

Better to just buy a largish netbook (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220...) and install Chrome OS on it. (http://moreinews.com/google-chrome-os-review-notebook-tablet...)

smackfu• 15 years ago

The sacrifices needed to make it $100-$150 would result in you not buying it. Like crummy screens and slow processors.

revorad• 15 years ago

Chromebooks are like bigger and worse netbooks. Great at doing nothing but still not the cheapest!

vnorby• 15 years ago

Don't buy one. I got the Samsung Series 5 3g Chromebook a month ago, and I definitely regret buying even at its low price point. The OS is still very unstable and not performant. The speakers are very bad (but I wouldn't watch video or listen to music anyway - YouTube/Pandora/Turntable.fm tend to crash quite a bit). The screen is not that great. The only upside is the long battery life but you're better off spending a couple hundred more and getting an Air.

shoota3• 15 years ago

A couple hundred dollars more? A MacBook Air is $650 more expensive than the price listed on Amazon. For that price you could buy almost 3 Chromebooks.

eggbrain5• 15 years ago

The Samsung Series 5 3g is $500, the cheapest Macbook Air is $835. So, a little more than a couple hundred dollars more, but a lot less than $650 more (even the cheapest Chromebook at $350 would be tops $485 less).

dstein2• 15 years ago

I bought the refurbished iPad 1 I'm typing this on for $370 from the Apple website.

MatthewPhillips6• 15 years ago

This post is referring to the Acer.

niels_olson• 15 years ago

it won't matter. The OS is the issue, not the machine. I have a Cr-48 that has the same issues as above, in ChromeOS. In Ubuntu Classic, it's almost dreamy (the two extremely notable exceptions are having to reboot to take advantage of the 3g, which only ChromeOS can seem to start, and the trackpad, which I have no answer for.)

emergence• 15 years ago

They've been on sale for over 10 days now. I don't see them flying off the shelf.

I've been thinking about buying a 12.1" Samsung Series 5 3G or a 12.5" Lenovo X220 or an 11.6" Macbook Air or an 11.6" Samsung Series 9. If I could get emacs on a terminal, with ssh access I would be sold on the Chromebook. Does anyone know if ssh + emacs + term is possible? (w/ the same battery usage - i.e. I don't want to bother with installing Linux if I can only get <2 hours of mobile use).

mdwrigh2• 15 years ago

I don't know about the latest revisions, but the CR-48 had a terminal that was basically only useful for SSH. So if you have a dev box setup somewhere that you can SSH to, it makes an okay dev environment (for someone who uses emacs or vi).

lftl4• 15 years ago

Chrome OS has a weird non-standard ssh, but I wouldn't think there's any problem ssh'ing into a remote machine where you have emacs running. Having emacs running locally probably wouldn't be possible though.

choko• 15 years ago

Wow, that seems a little pricey for what is offered. I would think they would be able to use an "off the shelf" netbook that already costs ~300 dollars, without Windows, and sell it for ~200. Windows accounts for a nice chunk of the price of a netbook, does it not? I know they don't pay store prices for Windows, but I'm sure they are still paying a decent amount. Does anyone have an insight in to how much Windows adds to the price of netbook hardware?

sahaj• 15 years ago

From what I understand Windows volume licensing cost is around $30-$40 per copy depending on who the hardware vendor is.

shoota3• 15 years ago

According to this article http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/microsoft-curr... which is a bit dated it seems like the cost of windows could be as low as $15-30.

MatthewPhillips6• 15 years ago

Netbooks are priced what they are because of their component parts. The 2 Chromebooks released so far are the size of a normal notebook/laptop. The parts are similar (except for the processor) to that of a notebook, which explains the price. The Series 5 cost $334.32 to make.[1]

[1]http://www.thechromesource.com/with-what-it-costs-to-make-is...

Ronkdar2• 15 years ago

> It just works.

Can we stop saying this please?

> "Your apps, documents, and settings are stored safely in the cloud."

Until Google deletes your account for no specific reason and refuses to give it back (this has happened to more than one person)

> Millions of apps.

[citation needed]

> Friends let friends login.

Every OS ever has had this feature. It's called "Users"

>Gets faster over time.

What does this mean? That you designed it to be inefficient so you can speed it up and gather favor from your users? That you just stopped optimizing halfway through and pegged it 1.0?

Pewpewarrows• 15 years ago

If by no specific reason you mean "blatant violation of AdSense terms of service," then yes.

mtogo• 15 years ago

I agree with you 100%, especially on the "It just works" point, but you're wrong on the "friends let friends login" thing. As far as i know, no other OS allows me to log into someone else's computer and get the exact same experience i have on my own, and vice versa.

joeyespo• 15 years ago

I've always wanted it to work this way. Even just a few years ago, I'd never imagine this would be accomplished by using a browser-based operating system.

MatthewPhillips6• 15 years ago

> Until Google deletes your account for no specific reason and refuses to give it back (this has happened to more than one person)

Google can delete my Facebook account? My Office Web Apps account? How do they manage this?

> Every OS ever has had this feature. It's called "Users"

No other OS saves OS settings and apps in the cloud, to my knowledge.

> What does this mean? That you designed it to be inefficient so you can speed it up and gather favor from your users? That you just stopped optimizing halfway through and pegged it 1.0?

They are talking about the auto-update feature.

kenjackson3• 15 years ago

Google can delete my Facebook account? My Office Web Apps account? How do they manage this?

If Google deletes your Google/GMail account, can you still login to your Chromebook?

saurik• 15 years ago

> Google can delete my Facebook account? My Office Web Apps account? How do they manage this?

You don't use your Facebook account to log into a Chromebook.

chc2• 15 years ago

What does this mean? That you designed it to be inefficient so you can speed it up and gather favor from your users? That you just stopped optimizing halfway through and pegged it 1.0?

Are you a programmer? The idea that there is a finish line for optimizing a program (beyond "This seems fast enough") is weird, and not the sort of thing I'd expect to hear from anyone who's ever done it. You do just have to stop at some point and release. Otherwise you'll keep improving things until the heat death of the universe.

IIRC, the Chrome team has a zero-tolerance policy on performance regressions. Since it auto-updates, it should get faster over time.

Ronkdar2• 15 years ago

What I meant was "We know there's tons of things we can still optimize, but we're just gonna release now anyways."

courtewing• 15 years ago

What is wrong with "It just works"? I have found that there are very few pieces of software out there (especially operating systems) that truly "just work" out of the box. Most software requires at least some setup, customization, and a period of futzing-around before a user becomes proficient at its use. Chrome OS does one thing, and it claims to do it very well. Until most software is incredibly easy to use, I think "it just works" is a very appropriate advertisement.

Every modern operating system that I'm aware of gains performance increases through software updates. That does not mean that every company that creates operating systems purposely makes their operating system slower to gain favor over time.

seles• 15 years ago

> > Friends let friends login.

> Every OS ever has had this feature. It's called "Users"

Uh, not iphones/pads (iOS)... so yes that is a big deal

zackattack• 15 years ago

Engineers think in features

Customers think in benefits

"men are from mars women are from venus" "apples and oranges"

ben1040• 15 years ago

I've been using a Samsung Series 5 for a couple weeks (I have the 3G model which is priced at $499).

After having tried this out, there's no way I would call it worth $499. Maybe I'm just spoiled from my MacBook Air but the Series 5 is heavy and has a cheap/plasticky feel to it. The trackpad has responsiveness problems and in general just feels funny to use. All in all it gives off kind of a "toy computer" impression which is unfortunate.

klbarry• 15 years ago

The biggest Chromebook advantage, in my opinion, is that it never slows down because you never change the software in any meaningful way. For the average person who bloats their computer over time until it isn't usable, that is huge.

pharrington• 15 years ago

Unfortunately adware/malware Chrome extensions already exist. Granted removing that is much easier than removing some nasty software installed on a traditional OS, but the type of user that's not savvy enough to avoid malware wouldn't know how to remove a Chrome extension :\

watty2• 15 years ago

I too struggle with the price of Chromebooks. I do love my CR48 but expected price to be around $200 considering the OS is very limited.

nextparadigms4• 15 years ago

$350 should be the max pricing point for a higher quality Chromebook, not the starting point. The starting point should be like $200. They should also make them only with ARM chips to cut the cost significantly. Ideally, it should be like $200 wi-fi only with Tegra 2 (or other dual core ARM chip) and $350 for a better built one with 4G and Tegra 3 (or similar).

dstein2• 15 years ago

I think Google's strategy for ChomeOS is all wrong. Nobody wants low powered laptops without a proper OS. As soon as the iPad blew up the netbook market Google should have retargeted ChomeOS as a tablet OS. A lightweight (zero-weight) OS is perfectly suited for a tablet. I use an iPad almost exclusively for browsing the net and checking email and I bet I'm not the only one. A Chrometablet with some decent specs and maybe some hardware WebGL support might even open a whole new online gaming market.

arihant• 15 years ago

If they sell this at $49 with a 2-year data plan contract - would rock! Two reasons:

1 - This is a brick if you don't have internet.

2 - This is a brick if you can't use it on road. People have internet at homes.

So consistent always on internet with a very low buy-in cost would probably be better, imo. I mean, this thing needs to sell as a complete experience.

yason• 15 years ago

The price is astronomical. I can turn my EeePC into a homemade chromebook with $0 and I paid much less for that years ago. I would assume that you could strip the chromebook down to $150-200 precisely because the hardware specs required for a glorified browser ought to be considerably lower than for running a full-fledged OS. Perhaps I'll have to wait for some Tegra chromebook to get the price/perf figure to a more sensitive level: even the latest smartphones should be able to match the requirements for a chromebook.

krishna2• 15 years ago

Imagine you have a chromebook, and imagine Google deleted your account, now do you have a very expensive paper-weight? (or is there some salvation?). I see some opportunity for two ideas: 1. insurance against the event that a company will delete your account. 2. a backup-for-orig-company.com (browser plug-in? desktop-background-app?), that backs up (and keeps track of) everything you do with company X - so you can retrieve it all someday if the need be.

e1ven• 15 years ago

At least for the CR-48's, you could flip the dev switch and wipe them, or install Ubuntu. I had to use the dev-switch to get a terminal.. Web online just doesn't cut it when you need to SSH to your servers ;)

Chromebooks on sale at Amazon for $349

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