Lithium ranked the highest performance web application platform

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=57b25c85-082a-4013-b572-b0939006eaff&hw=ph&test=composite&a=2

by matt42 • 6 years ago

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matt4232• 6 years ago

Link to the lithium homepage: https://github.com/matt-42/lithium

Flow• 6 years ago

It's Linux only apparently.

Is it the use of some Linux only kernel API that enables it to be slightly faster than the other frameworks?

matt4232• 6 years ago

It is linux only because it's based on epoll. It could be easily ported to macos and windows but my focus was to get the performances right first.

fluffy873• 6 years ago

Can you do an AMA? Why did you create lithium? How long have you been working on it? What do you do professionally? What are your plans for it?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Can you do an AMA? of course!

Why did you create lithium?

To see how much C++ can get closer to dynamic langagues typically used for web programming and at the same time make absolutely no compromise on performances.

How long have you been working on it?

8 months on lithium, but I already wrote another framework (silicon, which I rewrote from scratch because of slow compilation time).

What do you do professionally?

I worked for several company, doing different things including, real time image processing, neural nets for photography, web programming, robotics

What are your plans for it?

No big plans yet, just having fun for now, but I'd like to keep implementing the features if the users ask for it, improve the doc. In the more long term, building websockets would be nice too, and other services on top of it.

ponytech• 6 years ago

Thanks for the link.

A web search for "lithium web framework" gave https://li3.me as the first result, which is a PHP framework.

Why did you pick such a name if already taken by a similar product?

matt4232• 6 years ago

I was not aware of li3.me and when I realized it, I was too lazy to find a new name..

yesbutt11• 6 years ago

Re: metamap being zero cost

I thought there were no zero cost abstractions in C++?

https://youtu.be/rHIkrotSwcc

Still, it isn’t RoR or anything JS so it has that going for it.

matt4232• 6 years ago

Yes zero cost is subjective. It has a cost at least at compile time. But you can see metamap is a like loop unrolling for objects (if you think loop unrolling is zero cost then metamap too).

codekilla• 6 years ago

This looks great. How would you compare to seastar?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Sadly seastar has no implementation of this benchmark. I had a quick look at the website and it seams that seastar is much more low level (it does not provide a http parser) and more generic that lithium, which is focused on simplifying the writing of HTTP APIs.

montroser• 6 years ago

On lithium's JSON parser, they describe:

"Only cases where the structure of the object is known at compile time are covered."

Numbers are impressive, but there are some big trade-offs that come with.

Yoric• 6 years ago

That depends exactly on what that sentence means. It is fairly unusual that you need to parse a JSON with unknown structure during any kind of speed-critical section.

My personal criticism is that C++ is usually (not always, though) the wrong language for implementing web-facing applications or APIs. There is a considerable advantage in terms of speed (when using the right framework) but there are so many things that can subtly go wrong in terms of safety and security that you need to be very, very careful when picking C++.

And I write this as a C++ developer.

regularfry• 6 years ago

It's fairly unusual that today I don't know the structure of the JSON I'm parsing. It's not at all uncommon to want the server to do the right thing if I add keys to the object which it didn't previously care about, though.

polote2• 6 years ago

Lithium is the fastest web framework among the frameworks that nobody use

Seriously why is this reaching the front page, who really care about such benchmark ?

melling• 6 years ago

It would be interesting to filter the ones that are used?

fluffy873• 6 years ago

Those who work on these frameworks, and those interested in http framework benchmarking.

Some of the ideas developed in these frameworks percolate down to the PLs that use them and to the libraries they use, which benefits everyone. These frameworks also test new language features.

aioprisan• 6 years ago

Particularly the case with PHP and Zend from 5.0+ days. Are there other examples across other stacks?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Lithium development started 8 months ago and is not yet backed by a company. So it has clearly not a lot of traction yet. Just give it some time.

polote2• 6 years ago

I have nothing against Lithium and I wish it become successful, I just don't understand the point of the benchmark

christophilus• 6 years ago

It’s on the front page because enough of us are interested. If you aren’t interested, just read one of the other articles on the front page, and leave us to discuss this

orthoxerox3• 6 years ago

Because frameworks like this show mainstream framework developers where the next optimization is.

fluffy873• 6 years ago

2x faster than the Actix Rust framework.

Rust, C++ just said “hi” to you again, it’s on. Time to make Actix fast.

andybak• 6 years ago

Is this a criteria that's important enough to warrant this much effort?

I can think of several metrics that would come first - even for sites with fairly high performance requirements.

How often is the web framework genuinely the bottleneck (at least in a way that's not easily fixable with caching or any other similar sledgehammer)?

stagas• 6 years ago

In a typical web app you probably wouldn't notice any difference but in the niche where you're handling millions of reqs/s even slight improvements there could possibly translate to a non-trivial amount of money savings. On the other hand if you've already scaled to such a degree then those savings wouldn't matter that much. So, what's left is maybe for educational or research purposes, it's good to have an idea where the upper bound limit is while still maintaining a decent API, so there's value there, it's a great feat regardless.

weego• 6 years ago

At millions of reqs per second the thin contract of the internals of http request/response will never be the layer that will have any fruit left to pick to make gains.

matt4232• 6 years ago

The benchmark show that the frameworks has a big impact on performance. While all the frameworks are using the same database server, performances varies from 1x to 100x.

While the benchmark focus on more req/s, we can also see it the other way around: for the same req/s, you can use smaller hardware, i.e. save money and energy.

ghostwriter3• 6 years ago

Not every framework presented in the benchmark perform the same amount of necessary protocol verifications. For instance, here's the take from Servant perspective - https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6b3dlt/techempower...

rishav_sharan• 6 years ago

4/6 tests in there account for database requests. So yes, I would say that Tech empower is pretty important to gauge the performance and efficiency of web frameworks.

Personally, it helped me realize that my mistaken belief that nodejs was hella fast and that old Java based frameworks are slow. It also introduced me to Kotlin (I started on it to try Kooby) and overall love that I can at a glance see that for my chosen set of languages, which farmeworks-dbs are a good bet.

mattmanser• 6 years ago

The greatest trick that javascript ever pulled was to convince the latest generation of programmers that it was fast...

dathinab2• 6 years ago

The problem is they account for _simple_ database requests.

Which surely are common but long(er) running database requests or delegation to another service aren't super rare either.

Similar some of the frameworks might have major reliability problems which can randomly "crop up" due to thread pinning and similar.

I believe it should have some form of "chaos" test where instead of interacting with the DB it interacts with a another test server on both ends and the front and back connected server run through long random "chaos" simulation (and another version where a pre-recorded run is used for reproducibility).

Alex39173• 6 years ago

Django is already vastly faster than human perception. An entire roundtrip to my Django app takes 70 - 110ms. The entire roundtrip is already faster than human perception even in the worst case, and of that Django itself probably contributes something like 2 or 3ms.

ghostwriter3• 6 years ago

At this point it's mostly about (cost) efficiency, like how many EC2 instances you will need to cover your workload with a service implemented in a particular framework. It also assumes that developers can pick any of them with the same amount of effort, which is probably a proper assumption for a benchmark that measures performance.

ksec• 6 years ago

and of that Django itself probably contributes something like 2 or 3ms.

Unless it is super tuned, running on a specialise VM, I seriously have doubt about that. It is already pretty damn good if PHP/Python Django and Ruby Rails could do 10ms request excluding the Database on a moderately large App. Generally they are 20ms+.

And recently shopify even have their performance matrix allowing for 300ms per request.

w_t_payne• 6 years ago

110 ms is not faster than human perception. It's over a tenth of a second, and is very noticeable. The flicker fusion threshold for human vision lies in the 60Hz-90Hz range, corresponding to between 11 and 17ms. If I recall correctly, EEG experiments show differences up to around 100-120Hz, so on the order of 8ms. In any case, network latency itself adds on the order of 10ms per 1,000km of distance; 35ms or so for a London to New York round-trip, so the point about framework speed being a bit of a moot point other than in exceptionally high traffic scenarios still stands.

austincheney• 6 years ago

On the client side, at least now, the framework and/or means of API access are always the primary performance bottleneck.

brightball2• 6 years ago

It's also a question of what's going on when you dive in. Out of curiosity, I've looked into several parts of benchmark source code before and it's questionable especially where the database is concerned. You'll see some things that seem to go against their own rules, like presorting and batching inserts for efficiency but their rules seem to indicate that it's not allowed.

It has lead me to treat these benchmarks with a grain of salt.

There are very few circumstances that I can imagine that would send me running for C++ for a web project. I'm much more concerned about balancing efficiency of the developer environment with performance, security and maintainability, than pure performance. At the point that I'm not, my priorities are out of whack (aside from very niche situations). The side effect of these benchmarks, while we all love benchmarks, is the idea that any of these faster frameworks are actually a better choice because of a benchmark result.

Areading314• 6 years ago

There are reasons why you might need to bolt an http api into a c++ project, so it's nice to know there are high performance options available

matt4232• 6 years ago

My motivation in writing yet another web framework was to get pure performance while providing maintainability of more dynamic languages. Check the implementation of lithium, it is one of the most concise implementation of TFB: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ex_amazon_sde2• 6 years ago

Most of the time the framework is not in the top 10 bottlenecks of your application.

Optimize your webapp before hunting for the fastest frameworks.

ratww3• 6 years ago

I know this is a popular line of thought, but as someone who really measures things, it doesn't match my experience when it comes to web server frameworks.

In web applications, apart from glaring mistakes such as N+1 queries, pretty much every bottleneck I had in production was due to slow serialisation, slow database abstraction or excessive CPU/memory usage due to language/framework. Also had issues caused by initialisation time. Saving 200ms or 300ms on each request can give you better user experience.

For growing startups, having a fast web framework gives you the choice to postpone doing complex horizontal-scaling for months, or even years. This saves money on the sort term and allows you to keep growing their products without having to worry about other things. The database can scale vertically in the meantime.

As for large tech companies: at my previous workplace there were two migrations in the span of two years because of performance issues. Hundreds of developers collectively agreed on changing the tech twice because of framework bottlenecks.

Of course you shouldn't go straight into a C++ framework when Rails becomes too slow for you, but people should know the tradeoffs of the framework they're using.

sitkack4• 6 years ago

Developer velocity matters way more than the framework as long as the framework allows for horizontal scaling. You don't have to use it, but it should be there and it should be easy to use. Depending on your goals, one should be writing a system that horizontally scales after the first major prototype. Then push the horizontal scaling tests into your CI/CD pipeline and dev locally as if your cluster scaled down to one node.

ex_amazon_sde2• 6 years ago

Most of the time the framework is not in the top 10 bottlenecks of your application.

Believe me (or not) when I say that Amazon, among all FAANGs, could be the most data-driven, at least in the teams I knew, almost to an excess.

legulere2• 6 years ago

You can take it into consideration when starting a new project. I wouldn’t use a C++ framework because of security reasons and Rust if I don’t have access to enough rust programmers, but ASP.NET Core seems pretty reasonable.

The_rationalist5• 6 years ago

I had investigated what explained the huge gap between the few fastest frameworks vs the rest. The answer is a deceptive one, they didn't achieve revolutionary optimizations. The thing is: on many of those benchmarcks, the bottleneck obviously is the DB. The ability to do DB queries asynchronously and with batching is the differentiating factor. Only postrgresql can support such a feature but you need support on the postrgresql client too. The official C postrgresql client used everywhere does not support said feature except with a patch from 2016. Yes the secret of drogon (and probably of Lithium) is that they use a fork of libpq from 2016 because upstream can't agree on merging the patch and nobody is working on upstreaming it. Actix web benefited from the feature because their client tokio-postgres is a reimplementation and does not use libpq.

The industry grade server ecosystem that is the JVM use the jdbc which sadly has a blocking socket thus not allowing asynchronicty. But when loom arrive every jdbc existing code will magically, automatically become truly asynchronous such spring should come on the top 4 place.

There is also a wrapper of the jdbc through kotlin coroutines and there are reactive jdbc implementations such as R2DBC. It is unclear as of today if such solution enable postrgresql async queries and batch processing. It seems that nobody has tried those on TechEmpowerUp which is sad. Finally one could use libpq over JNI. Edit: I have read that the next release of pgjdbc (43) will switch from std socket to the NIO non blocking socket.

What should be heuristically the fastest HTTP framework (H2O, in C) has refused to use the old libpq fork because the api is not stable and thus not production grade.

aww_dang2• 6 years ago

The industry grade server ecosystem that is the JVM use the jdbc which sadly has a blocking socket thus not allowing asynchronicty.

Assuming connection pooling, can't you just use another Thread to do your queries?

The_rationalist5• 6 years ago

I'm not an expert but I believe this would not allow batching, only pipelineing and to a limited extent as spawning OS thread is "slow" and by default I doubt they spawn more threads than CPU number * 2?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Indeed, sql query batching is the key (and I personally think that the techempower website should make it explicit), async communication with the db and the http client is also the key.

FYI lithium is not using a libpq fork from 2016, it has been rebased on master 1 month ago. but yes Lithium (the sql-pipeline branch) is using it. (I mailed the drogon maintainer to update it aswell).

About H2O, the non batched version of lithium is as fast (slighly faster on some tests, slighly slower on others), while being much simpler to use (implementation of TFB of H20 is 4400 lines vs 250 lines for lithium...)

The_rationalist5• 6 years ago

Interesting, thanks for the answer. What I would really like to see is the obligation to have in the name "Lithium-with_batch" and a version "Lithium" that would be without it. It would show the impact of other optimizations which are currently hidden by the paradigm shift.

What would to you the other major optimizations?

gpderetta• 6 years ago

But when loom arrive every jdbc existing code will magically, automatically become truly asynchronous such spring should come on the top 4 place.

I know less than zero about Java and Loom, but if I understand correctly loom enables first class continuation and seamless M:N threading.

But I do not see how that will help jdbc, (unless you have tens of thousands of db sessions); I understand that the power of the new libpq is the ability to pipeline queries and that won't magically appear without development effort.

paultopia2• 6 years ago

I'm more interested in the fact that something called asp.net core is one of the five fastest, while asp.net not 'core' is the single slowest. What's the deal there? I dimly know that asp.net is a Microsoft thing, and remember it being used by a bunch of enterprise sites a decade or so ago...

mythz2• 6 years ago

ASP.NET Web Framework is the Windows only 18 yo Web Framework based on .NET Framework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASP.NET It could run on Mono/Linux, but did so very slowly & buggy and possibly what the slowest benchmark was run on.

ASP.NET Core is the newer (complete rewrite, inc runtime), leaner cross-platform (Win,Linux,macOS) Web Framework that's built on top of the performance focused .NET Core runtime released in 2016 https://dotnet.microsoft.com/learn/aspnet/what-is-aspnet-cor... They're only the same by name which is unfortunate, because it's completely new. It's the future runtime/platform for .NET and will be renamed to .NET 5 whilst the older .NET Framework will stay at v4.x (currently at v4.8).

qes• 6 years ago

They're only the same by name which is unfortunate, because it's completely new.

I certainly wouldn't say that. Full Framework .Net and .Net Core are _far_ more similar than they are different - they share a very large common base class library API surface in Net Standard.

A huge percentage of .Net MVC 3-5 (full framework) applications could be migrated to .Net Core MVC in a matter of hours to days.

You don't even have to specifically target .Net Core in a lot of cases - v2 included a compatibility shim so that libraries targeting full framework just work as long as they don't call any of the API's that were in full framework but are not in the Core runtime.

The main differences are in startup configuration of your web app and how you go about implementing cross-cutting concerns that might inspect or intercept every request - but even for a lot of common things like authentication there are similar extension points to what existed previously.

There are some particular technologies - like WCF Server or Linq2Sql - that are hard blockers if you were relying on them - but by and large moving from older full framework .Net to .Net Core is not that difficult and certainly doesn't require learning much new, especially fundamentals - it's mostly just some details of the web app framework.

paultopia2• 6 years ago

Aaah, thanks!

sdevio• 6 years ago

The naming is just confusing. dotnet core is a cross-platform open source rewrite of the .net run time and is very performant, the old asp.net framework runs on the windows old .net runtime that you are aware of.

orthoxerox3• 6 years ago

They rewrote most of their stack when they switched from .Net Framework to cross-platform .Net Core. There's a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in enterprises that invested heavily into deprecated technologies, but the new Core platform is very good for modern webdev.

legulere2• 6 years ago

ASP.net runs on IIS or HTTP.SYS and is hardly optimized. ASP.Net core has an own HTTP server (kestrel) and has had numerous optimizations , including to the .NET Core framework and C# (for instance Span<T>)

bsaul• 6 years ago

has there ever been a code created just specifically for this benchmark, in assembly language with everything hard-coded, just to see what the upper bound is ?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Some framework are using raw sql requests to skip the overhead of the ORM but they are still slower (lithium's ORM has no cost at runtime anyway). Coding everything in ASM would be insane and increadibly hard to ensure that this is the optimal version.

e12e3• 6 years ago

Brings to mind:

"Rapid Web Application Server (in Assembler)":

https://2ton.com.au/rwasa/

Discussed on hn a few times as I recall:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9948749

(see also sshtalk):

https://2ton.com.au/sshtalk/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15829206

9wzYQbTYsAIc• 6 years ago

Interesting to see asp.net at the very bottom of the list of 100+ and asp.net core in the top 10.

k__• 6 years ago

Well, at least MS acknowledged their mistake

e12e3• 6 years ago

Indeed, quite impressive for a presumably "fully production grade" stack to score so hight. But is it me, or are there no fsharp listings in round 19?

Multicomp• 6 years ago

Zebra is on there. Giraffe may be in there.

ThePadawan• 6 years ago

From a cursory inspection, the asp.net implementation seemingly runs on Mono [0] in order to run on linux at all. That might definitely be a performance "gotcha".

[0] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/tree/mast...

rapfaria• 6 years ago

Anybody else's laptop activates their fans when visiting this?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Me, the benchmark data is pretty slow to process.

foolinaround• 6 years ago

Link to the project : https://github.com/matt-42/lithium

not obvious from a google search

matt4232• 6 years ago

I'm wondering why this post got suddenly removed from the front page...

matt4232• 6 years ago

And back on the frontpage.. I don't understand HN ranking algorithm.

giancarlostoro3• 6 years ago

People probably flagged it cause people hate benchmarks / dont trust them. I think they at least give us some indication about things on the other hand.

matt4232• 6 years ago

arf. ok. It's probably the mods who unflagged it.

detaro• 6 years ago

Comments/upvotes ratio feeds into the ranking algorithm - it might have hit a threshold there.

karmakaze• 6 years ago

I really do like these TechEmpower Fortunes benchmarks. It has quite an extensive list of frameworks, languages, and configurations with throughput, latency (w/ SD), and errors.

I always check any lesser known framework to see which ballpark it falls into. I'm always surprised to see that so many of the popular frameworks are ~10x worse than the best--although many of those 'best' don't do as much processing. I'm much more likely to pay attention to the error counts, max latency, or SD (σ).

supermatt• 6 years ago

Incredibly frustrating the benchmarks not linking to the actual frameworks - searching for "lithium web framework" gives me some PHP framework...

Edit: Comment lower down suggests: https://github.com/matt-42/lithium is the correct one.

matt4232• 6 years ago

I'll report this to the benchmark maintainers.

sitkack4• 6 years ago

I came here to ask the same question, "Where is the page, with clickable links to the frameworks?".

giancarlostoro3• 6 years ago

They really need this and a page explaining why certain frameworks are removed over time.

brightball2• 6 years ago

Yep. That's ooooooooold. Lithium was a project as CakePHP was going through a big update 10 years ago.

bhauer2• 6 years ago

We plan to collect additional metadata from maintainers, including home page URL, source URL, description, and so on. Once that happens, we'll be able to provide the kinds of helpful links you want.

olaf• 6 years ago

Until this is done, you could just give your visitors the download links you used to download the frameworks. Doesn't seem to me overly complicated.

AtlasBarfed2• 6 years ago

Re: obscurity: This has been true for a long time. I remember seeing these a long time ago and it wasn't until about 80% down the list that a "real" framework showed up.

"Lies, Damn Lies, and Benchmarks" is somewhat true in this like any benchmark, but as others have pointed out, important techniques gain exposure using this benchmark over the years that trickle into mainstream use.

It would be nice if a summary of what techniques were used by new "frameworks" to gain leadership. All too often discussions of this benchmark turn into pissing matches by language zealots.

Actix's turn at the top was very interesting for the, uh, discussion, it prompted in the rust community about unsafe, although it was stressful for the original author.

In javaland, Vert.X has been high on the list for quite a while, but as I understand it, it uses "arena" allocation of buffers to avoid GC and other tricks to get the JVM up to par with non-GC languages, but isn't really typical of JVM development.

I would also like to know if HTTP protocol "hacks" are used, or networking tricks like userland network stacks.

But alas, it's just a huge wall of github projects and not a lot of use to a run of the mill developer like me.

matt4232• 6 years ago

I'll write a post later explaining how I reached those performances, several people already asked for it.

g4nt1• 6 years ago

Thanks for your comment! My search came to the same result... And I was believing a php framework was beating all other frameworks

bhauer2• 6 years ago

Brian from TechEmpower here. I don't want to take away from these results, but I do want to provide an important piece of context. This link is to a rendering of data from a continuous run [1] that hasn't received the type of sanity checking we do for an official TFB round. You can tell from the title ("Test") and the UUID of the run visible in the gray box under the navigation. Based on this link's attention, we'll make a more prominent warning for renderings of continuous runs so that they are more obvious to readers not familiar with the project.

We execute runs like this continuously to allow maintainers of test implementations to observe the results of their contributions. Given the performance seen here, it is very likely that Lithium will be well ranked in the next official round. But we feel the ranking seen in a continuous run such as this should be taken with a grain of salt until that next official round is available.

[1] https://tfb-status.techempower.com/results/57b25c85-082a-401...

matt4232• 6 years ago

Hi Brian, can't wait for round 20 then :D.

AtlasBarfed2• 6 years ago

Is that why it didn't vary when I selected cloud vs physical?

matt4232• 6 years ago

Yes, this is only physical. The cloud env (Azure) only run once every 1 or 2 months I think. On the official rounds they do both.

pknerd• 6 years ago

Thanks to Google, The PHP Framework, Lithium will get some unwanted praise here.

tluyben2• 6 years ago

Offtopic: matt42 (or others); where do I learn modern optimization like this? I can optimize for cycles on embedded MCU's and older computers and I can optimize in .NET/JVM (and others) but are there any good sources for OS on modern metal optimizations? Besides reading the Lithium sourcecode ofcourse.

matt4232• 6 years ago

I would say the profiler output is the best source of information. Lithium is not using black magic at all. Actually on large framework like lithium, performance problems come more from obvious errors that get hiden in the quantity of code than in code that you did not crazy optimize.

Only the profiler will tell you if there is a hidden malloc that is slowing down all the rest, or a inefficient datastructure, or ...

There is probably lot of non optimized code in lithium, it just has no impact (or if it has I still has to find it).

That said, for other kind of software (usually more CPU bound), going down to assembly or using SIMD can be the only way to get good perfs.

thdrdt• 6 years ago

Wow, the difference between .Net core and .Net!

RocketSyntax• 6 years ago

just ahead of jooby and kooby

dathinab2• 6 years ago

I wonder how realistic/fair the code of some benchmarks is.

I just took some small peak at atix (because I happen to know it) and while first all looked fine it wasn't quite that realistic.

Mainly:

- It uses a fork of tokio-postgres specific for the test (which differs in that Client is no longer send and it has a Unsafely soundness hole by wrongly using Unsafe Cell, and no Issue tracking enabled on, through replacing that cell with RefCell probably yield very similar performance)

- Instead of using the default web::Json responder it uses simd-json (EDIT: explicitly encoding the data into a buffer instead of returning it wrapped in web::Json)

- Uses snmalloc instead of the default allocator (https://github.com/microsoft/snmalloc)

Just to be clear besides the first point all of this is not unrealistic for a context where you want to highly optimize your server. But not how actix is used most of the time.

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Edit: Also just to be clear I didn't nit pick intentional on actix, it just happen to be the framework I'm more familiar with and especially using snmalloc for actix seems to be quite a reasonable idea.

EDIT2: The Unsefety unsoundness isn't triggered given the way this library is used, it's still there and would prevent this change from ever been merged upstream.

Lithium ranked the highest performance web application platform

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