Ask HN: I would pay 100$/Mo if you can solve this problem

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by yamrzou • 6 years ago

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I've been struggling for a long time with discipline : started exercising, but didn't last long before canceling my gym subscription. Couldn't commit to a diet. A bunch of unfinished side projects and ideas waiting for me to work on them. And a lot more.

I read a ton of self help books, tried many Todo apps and planning strategies, nothing seems to work. I couldn't create the necessary habits to change my life and become more productive.

This is a real problem, and I'm sure is faced by many people. I realised I'm wasting time and it's costing me a lot. If you could offer a solution that works, I would be happy to pay for it, up to 100$ per month.

mumbojumbo3141• 6 years ago

Depending on a few factors, $100/m can get you a therapist or lifecoach for 1+h/m.

My therapist was government/donation susbsidized and ran $10/hr.

downrightmike• 6 years ago

Sounds like you're depressed. That's okay. If you want to talk to someone: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255 Talk it out.

muzani2• 6 years ago

This might actually be the solution. I think the most effective thing for me was a motivational speaker, the Tony Robbins type. It runs for more than the budget of $100/month but it's up front.

thedevindevops• 6 years ago

Have you considered... a dominant life partner?

muzani2• 6 years ago

That's like saying the solution to homelessness is prison.

jones1618• 6 years ago

Maybe he could find out if a less extreme version of your idea works for him. People are motivated by different things. I like Gretchen Rubin's Four Tendencies as a key to unlock what motivates you. Some people are motivated by being told what to do; Some are highly demotivated by that. If you frame your goal in a way that works with your Tendency, you'll have better success.

For example, if you are a Rebel, you might say to yourself "Normal people are fat conformists. I'll boldly defy the odds and be fit, instead."

See: How Four Personality Types Find Motivation https://www.fastcompany.com/40560193/how-these-4-different-p...

riazrizvi• 6 years ago

1. Choose one thing a month to work on.

2. Keep a journal to drill down into the specific hurdles and drains that prevent you from succeeding. They tend to be a mixture of diffused focus, fuzzy goals, premature goals, scope creep. The diary helps with all of that because it magnifies and clarifies your target.

3. If you want I can do 2 1/2 hour coaching phone calls a month, email my username at gmail. Six Ironmen have honed my know-how with exercise and nutrition while working. I advise family and friends on both. I've also got insights into side projects, since I'm 30 years into a career in tech+startup.

Ghjklov• 6 years ago

I wonder if your problem is entirely one of perspective or unrealistic standards. Let's try to break it down.

Why did you stop exercising/dieting/working on side projects? Did it not feel good? Or was it because you weren't meeting your goals? What were you trying to achieve?

It's good to take some time to think about whether you should be doing anything to begin with and pivot to stuff you actually feel like doing.

impendia• 6 years ago

I know the feeling.

Personally, I find it easier to commit if I know exactly what I'm committing to. So, for example, instead of "go to the gym regularly", try "go to the gym three times a week".

With dieting, small steps can be very helpful. For example, here's a commitment you could make: at least once a week, at the grocery store, buy something healthy that you don't usually eat, and then eat it at one meal.

And don't kick yourself when you find yourself off the wagon, just get back on it.

Good luck!

amerkhalid• 6 years ago

Long time ago, my friend was building an accountability social network/forum. The basic idea was that you would pair up with someone who would call you/Skype with you. Having to answer to a real person may motivate you to work on your goals.

This might be a good startup idea if you can manage payments and phone calls where people don't have to share their numbers.

jlongr• 6 years ago

I believe that throwing money at the problem is counter-productive.

You struggle to commit yourself to so many things, but waving a 100 dollar bill in the air will serve only to attract opportunists who will happily take that money to offer you ever more distractions and diversions.

A product, service, idea, or mindset that is easily acquired is just as easily discarded.

stakkur• 6 years ago

The solution is discipline. And you will never, ever find it outside you or get it from another person.

Keep the $100, and invest it in a kettlebell.

135792468• 6 years ago

I don’t have a solution for you. I don’t think there is a software solution for you but you are not alone. This is exactly me too.

WheelsAtLarge• 6 years ago

Here's a solution to the gym issue. Hire someone to pick you up from work and take you to the gym. Once you're at the gym you work out and go home. Don't socialize until you are done.

This works because you will not have a chance to think about it and back out. Eventually, you will get in the habit of working out.

anongraddebt• 6 years ago

Maybe you are like me and simply require other people around/participating to stay motivated.

badrabbit• 6 years ago

It helps if your goal was something else. Hard to solve this without knowing your hopes and passions in life. One can always have a list of common things people hope for and allow you to track progress.

For example,losing weight to be healthy is not a good motivator for most. Losing weight to attract a mate or a job, or perhaps out of fear for an early death is a good motivator.

It's a journey but when you make the journey your destination your experience would revolve around starting and stopping the journey or tracking some milestone as opposed to reaching some end. Of course people with discipline don't suffer from this curse.

Trias11• 6 years ago

Love yourself first, alltogether with your "bad" habits and body.

Can you?

Nothing is wrong with you.

You're perfect. Done.

Now, how can you help someone else too? You surely have creative skills, ideas, inspirations. Now, as fighting against yourself is over - unleash your super creative and fun powers!

rajlego• 6 years ago

I would check out r/GetMotivatedBuddies (https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivatedBuddies/). Committing to something and being held accountable to someone other than yourself helps a lot. https://www.stickk.com/ might also be helpful for you.

samrohn• 6 years ago

I would suggest something basic. Take a print out of monthly habit tracker from here: https://tealnotes.com/free-printable-bullet-journal-habit-tr... and add the goals/ habits you want to achieve. Put the goals in the order in which you want to do every day. Stick it on your wall such a way that it is very visible to you (this matters as this act a reminder for you). Every day check this list off. I have tried a lot of things in the past, and found this approach the most effective.

kindly_fo• 6 years ago

Remove every noise/distraction from yourself. So you either do nothing (completely nothing) or your habbit

htanirs• 6 years ago

Not sure if HN allows one to post their professional offering. If not, would be happy to delete this comment.

OP, I have such an individual based program since I struggled with these as well and could not find help. The program has been going reasonably well. There is no upfront payment and it is value based. Which means if there is no progress, there is no payment to be made and we do not continue the program.

But it requires the participant to be serious about their goals.

If you want to know more, please share your email and we can see if this is relevant for you or not.

DoreenMichele• 6 years ago

You would need to figure out what the sticking point is. Without knowing that, we're just a bunch of blindfolded internet strangers randomly throwing darts and hoping they hit the bullseye.

Diets can work, but usually if they are intended to address a known specific health issue. Then specific diets, like keto, have a pretty good track record. But merely restricting calories because you want to be thin has a long and well established track record of being the diet version of that smoking joke: "Quitting smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I've done it hundreds of times."

Some general principles that sometimes help without fully understanding why:

1. Less is more.

Get rid of extra stuff. Streamline your life. Go for a spartan lifestyle.

2. Try fasting instead of dieting.

It's not well understood why it works, but it seems to often be helpful with a variety of issues.

3. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

Just getting rid of a lot of junk will move you in this direction, but also: clean your keyboard, try to reduce papers in the home, switch to nontoxic cleaners, etc.

4. Keep a journal.

What gets measured, gets done. A journal is a personal record of your life. It can help you see what is or is not actually changing.

Best of luck.

jventura• 6 years ago

Been there, done that.. Still overweight though, but not by much (~10Kg).

What has been working for me was a change of perspective, i.e., to accept that life is complicated and there's not enough time in one day to do everything I'd like to do. I now have a new "mantra" which is something in the lines of "any-thing is better than no-thing"..

I too used to read a lot of self-help books, but now they bore me.

I'm still playing catch-up with a lot of things that I should do, but I try to not overload my days. I have daily TODOs with no more than 2/3 things, and each Sunday/Monday morning I go to my weekly TODO lists and split those items through the week days. When I don't finish one thing on one day, I'll move it to the next one, etc. I use evernote for that, but could use a text file as well. I have some liberty in setting my schedule, so I try to do things in the morning and keep my afternoons free for house chores, taking walks, napping, or going somewhere to do something..

One cool thing that got me unstuck regarding things to do, was to sort them by "Easyness x Importancy x Urgency". If you tackle the most easy, important and urgent things first, you'll see things moving faster.. When you're down on motivation, don't listen to those who say that you should do the hard things first, as it requires motivation.

Also, every morning I do 20 abs on bed, then stretch my arms, legs, and do some 20 squats and some 10-15 pushups. It started by being only stretches, then abs, then 5 pushups, slowly moving along. Now it's a routine I have. I have way more energy, my partner agrees..

Also, I have dry eyes, so I started putting some drops, 2-3 times a day, and now I'm seeing way better, less headaches, more things being done.

In summary, it's the small things that add up. Don't try to do too much, too fast, too soon. Accept that life is hard and that our behaviors are hard to change (accepting != conforming).

gadders• 6 years ago

Maybe save the $100 for a few months, and then try this: https://www.amazon.com/Living-SEAL-Training-Toughest-Planet-...

runawaybottle2• 6 years ago

Try this for 2 weeks: https://www.reddit.com/r/PSMF/

The water weight you lose should help motivate. You can easily loose 10 pounds in a month if you count the calories (no exercise necessary). It’s just a pain in the ass. You’ll be hungry 24/7, but you will 100% get the results in a month. Then reduce calories again the second month. It’s just math, it works.

I’ll add that I think the reason people give up on fitness is because they don’t see results. Go hard for 4 weeks on a serious calorie restriction and you will see the results. If that doesn’t motivate you, you’re shit out of luck.

runawaybottle2• 6 years ago

Edit: I’ll also add, read that subreddit or the subreddits where people are on a cutting-phase of their diet (bulking/cutting). You’ll notice everyone is miserable doing it. That should help you get through it. It totally sucks, but it has to be done.

losthobbies• 6 years ago

I struggle with discipline too and while I don't have much of a solution I just think the only way around it is to

1. Have a goal in mind

2. Make it easy for you to start but hard to stop

3. Do a small bit every day

To help with this is the "Don't break the chain" model which is basically getting a calendar and putting a big red X on everyday that you have worked on your goal. They start building up and eventually you don't want to have a gap between the X's.

There is also Atomic Habits by James Clear that I am currently listening to by audio book. It's a different approach but you may have tried it already.

trumbitta2• 6 years ago

That's a psychological problem. Got talk to a positive psychologist.

Some info out of Google: https://ppc.sas.upenn.edu/

jwist• 6 years ago

Maybe you really don’t want to change, lose weight, exercise, side projects.

Does this show up in your professional life?

First step would be therapy and go from there. It could be something showing up in all areas of your life and you just don’t realize it.

harrisreynolds• 6 years ago

What is something you hate? For example... if you had to donate $100 to the campaign of INSERT_POLITICIAN_HERE if you fail to do something over some reasonable period of time. Get an accountability partner and then donate the money if you break the agreement.

If politics isn't a deterrent pick something that is.

Sometimes negative motivation can be a powerful tool.

florianmartens• 6 years ago

Hm, I'd also argue that accountability would help. Create it somehow find a partner with whom you work out. Document you workout in a blog, youtube, whatsapp conversation, conversation on Eightygram.

Or, ignoring technology. Find a personal trainer. Or a really small workout group that has some sort of trainer that really cares.

andrefuchs• 6 years ago

You could try cognitive behavioral therapy (cbt). This could fix the root issue behind all of the issues you described.

mcdramamean• 6 years ago

Break up your tasks into mini-pieces. Spend no more than 5 - 10 minutes on each micro-habit then move to the next. DON'T SPEND MORE TIME THAN 10 minutes. Do this for 1-2 months. Don't work toward any type of task completion; just work for 10 minutes. Actual work, moving at an easy pace, but still getting a few lines of usable code out(refactoring counts); doing a few pushups, situps, squats for your fitness. Immediately follow that 5-10 minutes of work with a reward (like playing video games, small candy, surfing the web, whatever YOU REALLY ENJOY. No judgement. It has to be something you look forward to; just timebox the reward to 25 minutes at most). Don't worry about diet; just try to go as long as you can in the morning/afternoon/evening without eating (if you can make it to 3 - 5 pm you can worry less about what you actually eat). After 1 - 2 months; add 5 minutes. Add 5 minutes every 30 days. It should be a year or more before you attempt to spend 45 minutes or more on a habit.

Don't write any of this down. Don't try to "quantify your self". Do your best to remember where you are at. If you forget, drop it down 5 - 10 minutes/ 1-3 reps/ etc. below what you think you can do currently (almost like take a few steps backward). We don't want to make a big deal about any of this. We want to be in the habit of examining how you are feeling and adjusting the process based on that; while staying in alignment with our long term goals. Real long terms goals are very hard to pin down to specifics and milestones. You are better of moving consistently toward that goal; while managing your emotional state on a day to day basis. The goal is never more important than how you are feeling right now in this moment.

Have no definitive fitness goals for 1 - 2 years (as this is about how long it takes to get the body to respond permanently to any fitness goals). Don't even think about it; just work out in short spans throughout the day. Progressively add 1 - 2 reps to each exercise every 30 days. After a year, attempt to just go to the gym for 10 minutes once a week. NO MORE THAN 10 MINUTES (even if you really want to stay). After 1 months, add another day to the gym (only 10 minutes each session). After another month, add another day (3 days total at 10 minutes only each day). From 4 months onward, add 5 minutes for every session every 30 days.

For code project, do very small projects you can complete within 30 days easily. Having a habit of completing smaller projects will pay dividends in the long run. Make the projects modular so you can easily reuse things in the future. Only build things YOU are interested. Don't worry about what language, framework, topic is popular or lucrative. Only focus on what you care about in the most selfish way possible.

To sum it all up, don't think about it anymore; just do it. And only do it for 5-10 minutes at the beginning. Follow with a reward. Progressively add more time and effort over the course of months. For the first 3 months, don't stress and move easily. Don't strive for any goal; DON'T MOVE QUICKLY. Just do it with ease. Do it as if you could forget about it in 15 minutes it was so easy. Make sure the process is getting done; and not worry about tangible results. Just make sure you are really getting stuff done in the time you are working; but moving easily, without haste or stress.

kleer001• 6 years ago

You might need something to scare the living hell out of you in a deep existential way. Something to help you realize how little time you have left in your life. Something real and deep and motivating. But nothing nice or happy. Deep and dark. You need a rock bottom to bounce up from.

Now, you can manufacture one yourself. Or you can wait for life to hand you one.

tucaz• 6 years ago

There are all sorts of answers here and I will throw one more at you. It will cost you 10 minutes a day and you can stop if it doesn’t work.

Look up the Wim Hof breathing method. I don’t know why it works but it does. Maybe it’s all a placebo, but if it works, why does it matter?

blaydator• 6 years ago

Find something that you genuinely love. Procrastination is not something you have to fight against, it’s a clue showing you that you are not doing something that interested you deeply. Do not chase success, learn to know yourself and how you can be helpful to the world. Motivation will then come “magically”. Hope I am not to mystic, let me know if I not making sense.

coolvision• 6 years ago

Ultraworking.com, sign up for their activities and use goal setting and habit tracking tools. Works for me.

deadcoder0904• 6 years ago

You can give https://bossasaservice.life/ a shot

frogperson• 6 years ago

I've had good luck minimizing the amount of time spent on sites like Reddit, facebook, and HN. All of these provide a quick endorpine hit and become addictive. As a replacement I spend more time on long format project that require longer trains of thought. Read novels, start project that take longer than a few hours, try a hobby like painting or pick up a musical instrument.

Don't let your brain become dependant on the quick fix.

valand• 6 years ago

Dude, it comes down to what you want in life.

Being a fit dude in your 60s in your big beach-side house partying with powerful friends? A shadowy person behind a powerful corporation? Having a big loving family? Getting rid of poverty in the world?

Take note of it, stick it near where you wake up most of the time: your phone wallpaper! Visualize! Strategize!

You'll realize that it doesn't happen overnight.

DO NOT DESPAIR! Take steps! Build strategy. Separate in milestones, make it accessible. Nothing great is instant (except if you have a great luck)

Use evernote, stackedit, notion, or whatever that doesn't make you lazy and is quick to access. Use Add to Home Screen feature to make a quick shortcut. This allows you to take things off your mind to rest. Make noises that will get you back on track, reminders!

Be calculative, but don't be cheap in pursuing your dream. Money is just another currency to trade toward your dream and there are many other currencies: relationships, mental health, physical accounts receivable, someone owing you something, other people's attention, fame, incognition.

You will need to trade them to achieve your dreams quicker, (e.g. getting rid of an invaluable relationship like toxic people that can't be helped anymore). Trade money for mental health to help with burnouts by treating yourself for every milestone. Trade money for human friends if you need them for your morale. A good thing about human friends are, most of them will give back if you help them.

Try achieving additional miles.

If a milestone doesn't work, DO NOT DESPAIR. It's just another obstacle to work around.

If you feel something is holding you, identify! Sometimes it's trauma in the past, your core values. Check if they're still valid, if not, trash them. In my experience, it is always fear of something in the past and sometimes if you get rid of your ego and see it from other perspectives, the fear is not valid anymore and you can be free of it.

If this comment turned out helping you, trade that 100$/Mo to help others having the same problem to do the same. If it doesn't, I wish you a better luck finding a better way to achieve things, and I would like to hear good news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

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