U.S. blacklists Huawei

banning them from buying components from the USA is going to encourage them to develop it themselves. stuff like this is how we lose our edge in tech, if we haven't lost it already.

guitarbill2• 7 years ago

Canada/Nortel might disagree with that somewhat...

ZhuanXia• 7 years ago

Canada is nice and all but China has a Japan-level quality of human capital and an enormous population. Anything we can do they will be able to do, and probably better. Absent crazy stuff like AGI or genetic engineering changing the source of innovation, China will become the leader in high technology.

xvilka• 7 years ago

Hopefully it will be more open source friendly. Some US industries are just plain anti-FOSS, like electronics and chip design for example.

_qbjt2• 7 years ago

Here's to hoping that RISC-V takes off in a big way over the next decade. AMD and Intel's cross licensing agreement has essentially created a duopoly in this space.

Leary• 7 years ago

If this effectively bans Huawei from importing American chips.. Why no reactions after hours in American chipmaker stocks?

ETHisso20172• 7 years ago

Market may expect this to be temporary?

fspeech3• 7 years ago

The implication of being put on the entity list is not yet clear. In 2016 ZTE was placed on the entity list but without an actual export ban. In 2018 the action against ZTE was much more severe.

axaxs• 7 years ago

Genuinely curious...but what chips? Huawei is pretty well vertically integrated, and has been for some time.

superkuh• 7 years ago

The radio frequency IC chips like the tuner front ends and RF baseband. This process technology is not nearly so easy to copy and implement as regular digital elements on regular substrates. It's pretty important for mobile handsets.

This is reflected in the way 5G is being rolled out in China. Mostly new sub-6GHz 5G NR modulation basestations are being put in. Millimeter band is not being attempted initially. This gets them 15-20% modulation gain in thoroughput over LTE in the same circumstances at most.

mrkstu• 7 years ago

It will be interesting how the unintended consequences roll out with this.

With Chinese companies already having Google free software/service stacks in China, being able to get adoption of those stacks internationally may allow the full bifurcation of the Android ecosystem, essentially eviscerating Google’s monopoly.

Long term it could be a turning point to deflating American dominance of the most important market in the modern world.

awt• 7 years ago

I think it would be great if China accomplished some major software and hardware innovations.

hugh4life• 7 years ago

Thing is, would you trust an appstore infrastructure based in China? If they had a more trustworthy 3rd party country like South Korea then they'd have a better shot.

I kind of wish they'd embrace something like Firefox OS.

lugg• 7 years ago

Would you trust appstore infrastructure in China?

No less than how much I trust the five eyes we have right now.

The only thing preventing me from using Chinese based stuff is the language barrier.

And Firefox OS, why would they embrace something nobody else has?

discordance• 7 years ago

How about China blocking the sale of Apple products... possible/probable?

TomMarius• 7 years ago

Wasn't that the case up until just a few years ago?

adinobro5• 7 years ago

The government doesn't need to. The Chinese population will decide if they want to drop Apple themselves. They already have basically stopped buying Samsung after the S7 issue and the US military base.

The free market in action...

luckydata3• 7 years ago

More likely that I will sprout wings and learn to fly. China producing a global standard is just not going to happen.

Robelius• 7 years ago

A few decades ago, China becoming a global superpower just was not going to happen.

fatjokes• 7 years ago

Never say never. A significant amount of the developing world has already embraced Huawei's network equipment.

Beyond that, I think Huawei is the #3 mobile phone seller in Europe (behind Apple and Samsung) and #2 in Canada.

peteretep6• 7 years ago

I’ve no actual data, other than to note that “Japanese-made” went from being a sign of shoddiness to a sign of quality in a few decades.

ulfw• 7 years ago

Speaking of wings, try to buy a competitive western consumer drone. Good luck on that. GoPro tried and failed miserably.

The DJIs and Yuneecs etc of the world have already set the standard here.

rsync• 7 years ago

"Long term it could be a turning point to deflating American dominance of the most important market in the modern world."

The most important market in the modern world is oil and gas.

Global digital ad spending (which is what these software/service stacks are proxies for) will be $327B in 2019. Compare this to $360B for a single oil producer, Saudi Aramco, in 2018.

Note that none of the FAANGs are even in the top 10 of this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_r...

... and only 2 are in the top 20. And google is not on the list at all. 5 of those top 10 are oil and gas (and it would be 6 if Saudi Aramco were listed).

golfer• 7 years ago

FAANG comes out on top if you reorder that list by market cap instead of revenue.

adrianN3• 7 years ago

Oil and gas will shrink dramatically over the next few decades, while there are still many people that can't afford fancy technology yet.

sonnyblarney2• 7 years ago

Mapping Huawei to a sudden Chinese dominance in some other area, and then to international dominance is taking several magic leaps in logic.

Also, there's nothing stopping China - or anyone else - from doing as they please with Android 'stack', hint: it's not the valuable thing.

nullwasamistake2• 7 years ago

It will split the internet, not so sure about hardware because there's less propaganda value in that.

In many ways the internet split is already done, there's hardly any overlap between the Chinese and US web. Probably because most of the non-chinese web is blocked in China.

Theoretically, this makes Chinese web companies less competitive. Many US companies are dominant worldwide, but the majority of popular Chinese tech companies are only popular in their captive market.

IMO it's similar to the captive markets of the Soviet Bloc. Strong protectionism and state sponsoring like China has done, and the Soviet Union did historically created companies that weren't globally competitive. The day the iron curtain fell, treasured trabants were abandoned on the side of the road.

Will history repeats itself? Who knows, but the situation is very similar. China produces a lot of good products, probably moreso than the USSR at it's peak. But China also engages in many practices that eventually made Soviet products inferior.

lambdasquirrel• 7 years ago

If you keep the training wheels on your economy forever it would certainly make it uncompetitive. The U.S. engaged in such practices too, and continues to do so in areas like pickup trucks. At the end of the day, you can’t really fudge leadership.

The U.S. has been fudging leadership for some time. Now it’s looking for someone to blame. It’s looking for a Plaza Accords 2.0. But China is not Japan, geopolitically.

thevagrant• 7 years ago

Didn't they do this with ZTE also? As I recall the issue was resolved when ZTE paid a fine and promised to change board members and leadership? Could the same happen with Huawei?

Smoosh• 7 years ago

There may have been extenuating circumstances in the ZTE case:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-zte-order-after-chi...

kabdib• 7 years ago

I've got a Huawei laptop that's pretty nice . . . but I'm reluctant to use it for anything even remotely sensitive.

Am I being overly paranoid? Or should I treat it as basically trustworthy as any other major brand of computer?

The system requires a special app to update drivers and so forth, but frankly this is not additional security exposure, since Huawei bits are all over the machine to begin with.

I'm sure y'all got opinions :-)

omeid2• 7 years ago

In a post snowden world, why would you trust a 5E product anymore?

Not saying that you should trust Chinese companies, but the notion that they're any worst by speculation in the face of evidence for the alternative's being complicate in spying on their users is rather absurd. People can't shake off the good-guy-bad-guy narrative, can they?

ericd• 7 years ago

Did Snowden reveal any revelations about the 5E engaging in industrial espionage against US companies on behalf of other US companies?

peteretep6• 7 years ago

In a post snowden world, why would you trust a 5E product anymore?

Because I’m one of the people the 5E apparatus is trying to protect, and if my local spy agency got in touch with me to ask me for my data, I’d give it to them without a second thought.

OrgNet• 7 years ago

I don't trust that the Government's motives are truly public (maybe the ban is just a consequence of them not being able to implant a backdoor) and I don't trust Huawei... but I also don't trust any other computer/phone manufacturer ever since the Snowden leak. I still use them though because I am not a high value target.

chipperyman573• 7 years ago

Out of curiosity, does Huawei provide a way to update drivers without the software? I know Dell has a similar offering but you can still download the drivers from their website

KingMachiavelli• 7 years ago

You would be much better off just getting the drivers direcly from the manufacter of each component. The only one that is likely only from Huawei would be the Bios which I guess is one of the more likely ones to be tampered with. :/ Reinstalling the OS with a known good source will likely defeat most attempts at spying on you.

klhutchins• 7 years ago

Are you worried about China, or the company itself? They probably don't care about your credit card info. State secrets, closed source code, or proprietary business processes might be more useful. But anything nefarious would need to be worth getting caught. I'm sure people will be scrutinizing them a lot closer now?

millstone2• 7 years ago

Huawei is a proxy for the Chinese government so the question is moot.

China is indeed mainly focused internally, but there's no limit to how far they'll go in support of those ends. China attacked Google, Yahoo, Adobe, many others, using a zero-day IE exploit.

Of course they'll use your laptop as part of a botnet, C&C proxy, ransomware vector, etc. There's no benefit of the doubt remaining.

GalacticDomin8r• 7 years ago

What recent computer hardware do you trust?

yogthos2• 7 years ago

Librem is probably the most trust worthy at the moment.

PascLeRasc• 7 years ago

System76 ships laptops with Intel ME disabled and provides an open-source firmware update tool. I'm a huge fan of them.

watersb• 7 years ago

Slightly trust Intel-CPU Chromebook hardware.

I have yet to become allergic to Google snooping but understand that lack of trust to be very well founded. I think I understand their secure boot architecture, though. Whereas I simply cannot trust Windows Secure Boot based vendor firmware.

Apple iOS devices. Their macOS Intel computers are about as trustworthy as Chromebook Intel.

Not-so-recent ThinkPad laptops with OpenBoot BIOS are ok.

But.

All of these devices have radios with each their own, black-box operating systems. I don't know how to develop a basis for trust there.

So I am left with very few alternatives.

A Raptor Talos II Workstation, with a custom battery-based power supply, locked inside a Faraday cage. Turned off.

https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2WK2/intro.html

luckydata3• 7 years ago

The only saving grace is that probably nobody cares about you, but I wouldn't trust any device particularly.

jplayer01• 7 years ago

You as an individual don't matter. However, there are plenty of individuals with power inside whatever organization they're a part of and/or in the political process of the country they live in, who are vulnerable to the exact same issues.

EGreg• 7 years ago

Now you know how Russia felt about Microsoft Windows

majia3• 7 years ago

There is no perfect security in this world. You can only mitigate your risk exposure.

If you have substantial business interests in China, you’d prefer a non Chinese brand laptop.

If you are more worried about IRS going after your financial records, US based advertisers tracking your online activities or NSA monitoring your contacts with people in Arab countries, huawei may be a better choice, since it won’t work with IRS, Facebook or NSA.

sonnyblarney2• 7 years ago

I don't support this logic.

a) It's not a simple relativism.

b) Brands are tied at different levels to their nations, and go after people from different kinds of reasons.

I suggest given the controversy, there's probably a lot of legit risk about using Huawei for any reason.

Unless you're doing something really dangerous, I would not be worried about Windows. There are zillions of tax evaders and otherwise criminals who 'use computers' and don't get caught for that reason in the US.

If you're going to do something really bad, well large American corporations may help out the Feds.

Carriers, web sites and other such places are probably more of a risk than your OS.

The security concern over Huawei is legit, even if there's economic war, and a hint of jingoism mixed in.

jimmaswell• 7 years ago

Are there recorded instances of the IRS actually breaking into people's computers remotely instead of, at the most, getting a warrant for the device to be seized? I guess you'd never know if they did that for parallel construction.

avocado4• 7 years ago

Not sure what you mean by "it won't work with Facebook" - you can use Facebook and Google on Huawei hardware.

teknologist• 7 years ago

They still run Windows though so you're essentially being buggered from all directions

atomical• 7 years ago

The P3 Pro is really nice. I wish it was worth it.

dreamcompiler2• 7 years ago

I would barely trust Lenovo if I had completely wiped the drive, and even then I'd be wary. Huawei is a whole different animal. I wouldn't allow a Huawei device in my home or office unless it had the battery removed and it was enclosed in a Faraday cage.

philliphaydon• 7 years ago

Lenovo have the best keyboard of any laptop brand available. So I'll just accept it. :)

shadowprofile76• 7 years ago

I just recently bought a Lenovo for someone close to me. Would you mind elaborating on why you say this about them, and if you really think they can be made somewhat privacy-safe for general use?

RikNieu• 7 years ago

I have a Xiaomi phone. The hardware is pretty nice and I enjoy using it. But I don't trust it and find it creepy as hell.

The built-in file browser shows ads related to random conversations I've had(not related to searches or my general interests) way to often for me to consider it a coincidence.

I'm seriously considering getting an iphone again, just because I trust Apple a bit more(and only a little).

But there would be no way in hell I would do sensitive work on Huawei or Xiaomi laptop.

benjymo• 7 years ago

I have the same experience. The hardware is nice for the price but it's loaded with crappy apps.

Some of them are badly translated, updates to a simple calender app suddenly requires ridiculous permissions.

And worst of all, enabling USB debugging test apps through Android Studio requires a Mi Account. Maybe I'm paranoid but I can't think of a reason other than corporate espionage.

krageon2• 7 years ago

As with all Android phones (and to a certain extent iOS devices as well), trusting the default operating system is a very bad idea. Unlock the bootloader, flash it with something trustworthy.

teoteo• 7 years ago

I use nokia 7 but it sent my data to server in china so i will get a iPhone too

baruchel• 7 years ago

One thing that I think too many people forget is: you actually want to be spied by China (change with any relevant country) rather than by your own country because your own country is much more likely interested by you than China! I always try to choose hardware or services in countries that are not mine for that reason.

For my children, I chose mail adresses in India (zoho.com) because I am french; not that I trust India more than France but because being spied by India will certainly be less harmful for French citizens than being spied by some European country. I will myself never use a French service or app.

I really laugh when I see my country releasing some new "trustful" services for French citizens: maybe it is true but I have very little to win (not being spied by a country that does not care about me anyway) and too much to lose (if a country is about to annoy you it will certainly be yours).

If I were a chinese citizen I would certainly not use Chinese products for the very same reason, but an American citizen should be more confident in using such services than in using american ones! Why do American people want to be spied by the very single country they really have to fear?

ETHisso20172• 7 years ago

Huawei has a ton of repos on Github. What happens to them?

a012• 7 years ago

They would lose access from China

jorblumesea2• 7 years ago

Not really surprised, why would you allow US companies to build a network backbone using a company that has close ties with your strategic rival? Ren Zhengfei was in the PLA and the public private partnership operates very differently in China. As if the IP theft and espionage problems aren't bad enough.

It's not a coincidence that many Chinese devices have "bugs" that have them phone home.

Do you think China would allow their telecom companies to build out using Cisco gear?

pishpash• 7 years ago

Pretty sure China used a lot of Cisco gear, including to implement the Great Firewall: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/ciscos-latest-attempt-...

jorblumesea2• 7 years ago

Sure, after transferring their IP and source code ;)

That's the game China is playing.

fencepost3• 7 years ago

barring U.S. companies from using telecommunications equipment made by firms posing a national security risk

Huh. Did the US government just make my cell phone illegal to use? Replacement is on my list of things to do, but I wasn't really planning on it this month.....

Not to mention basically every other option I could look at is also made in China, with the exception(?) of Samsung - which I'm not inclined to cough up the $$ for.

mises• 7 years ago

Just got a Galaxy J7 V 2 for less than $250. Does what I need it to, snappy, expandable storage, and an actual all-day battery life (probably day-and-a-half). I guess I don't understand why people want super-powered phones: just carry a decent laptop. It's not easy to make use of that much power in that small a form factor any way, particularly now that very few manufacturers allow bootloader unlocks and root. Also, people buy 8-core cpu, 8-gb-ram, 1440p screen phones and expect a long battery life? It's much easier to drive a reasonable processor, reasonable ram, and a 720p screen.

I guess the market has different ideas. I get the "it's a slick piece of tech" factor, but can some one who likes flagships talk about what makes them good?

For what it's worth, I consider the Samsung Galaxy S3 the pinnacle of smartphone design. It retailed for $250 at launch. I feel like prices are going up because the smartphone industry is trying to innovate faster than chips are improving.

thrower123• 7 years ago

Never had an S3, but I had an Aviator and an S5. I miss the swappable batteries on those models...

On the other hand, I have an S8 now and it labors to render most websites. That's more an indictment of the websites, but such is the world we live in.

welly• 7 years ago

Because people like to play games, take photographs (the camera on your J7 while probably adequate pales in significance to top end phones) and other high processing tasks that your budget phone simply can't do and that is often inconvenient to pull out a laptop for. Such as photos, or gaming on public transport.

fencepost3• 7 years ago

Eh, I'm on a 2 year old Honor 8 that may have now stopped getting security updates (last patches were the 12/2018 ones) that was under 250 when I got it and which needs a new battery.

I'd probably be on a Nokia right now if they'd released a 6.2 this spring. I haven't looked at the J7 specifically but my impression in the past has been that there are a variety of midrange phones that are a better value than Samsung's offerings.

bigiain• 7 years ago

" ... to ban American telecommunications firms from installing foreign-made equipment ..." is how NY Times is reporting it.

A loose enough reading of that includes Chinese manufactured iPhones, it seems...

ImprovedSilence• 7 years ago

Interpret how you want, but I take it to mean basestations and back end infrastructure.

seppin• 7 years ago

Two different things here. The odds that all Huawei hardware is setup for mass surveillance is low. The odds that the Chinese gov could use that hardware to target specific people for spying is close to 100%.

_qbjt2• 7 years ago

This might be an unpopular opinion but I'll post anyway. I'm skeptical of the motivation for this blacklist. Prohibiting the use of Huawei products by government agencies and contractors is an action one could reasonably justify in respect to national security. Mandating that my private company seek approval from the government before doing business with Huawei is a pretty extreme rule that limits my options on the global marketplace. I am now forced to accept the claim that Huawei devices are "tainted" and significantly more dangerous than other products. I'm having trouble accepting that argument or seeing this as anything more than trade war saber rattling.

When I think of American companies that actually care about data privacy only a few come to mind. I do believe Apple makes a good faith effort toward protecting user data, despite the company's many anti-consumer practices. There are a number of smaller companies like Purism and Yubico that go further in making this a part of their core business strategy. But generally my experience has been that American companies give a backseat to these concerns. Remember when Equifax, an American company, leaked the personal data of 143 million U.S. citizens in 2017 [1]? What about the Citrix hack from just a few months ago where 6TB of sensitive information was stolen by Iranian hackers [2]? What makes these companies more trustworthy than Huawei or any other Chinese company?

Finally, there's a line you can draw from the decisions of the past to what's happening today. The U.S. is largely responsible for the design of the modern web for both good and bad. The Internet is an amazing thing that has uplifted people around the world, including in developing countries where opportunities are needed [3] [4]. At the same time surveillance and proprietary software has become pedestrian to the point where most people (myself included) just accept it. We used Chinese manufacturing to scale this vision, from cheap Internet-connected devices to the servers that store and deliver our personal information. What kind of example did we set for China or other countries to follow? Where would we be had we followed the advice of people like Richard Stallman who warned us decades in advance?

We seem to be moving toward a more isolated world as of late. I hope we can get to a point where we're having productive conversations on a global scale about how tech could make our lives better (and potentially worse). The alternative is to let the chips fall where they may. In a world of IoT, AI and autonomous weapons, that's not a game I'd like to play.

[1] https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/07/technology/business/equifax...

[2] https://www.techradar.com/news/hackers-steal-6tb-citrix-data...

[3] https://www.cta.tech/News/Blog/Articles/2015/July/How-Mobile...

[4] https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000227436

RyanShook• 7 years ago

Based on the actions taken by multiple agencies in the US and other governments it sounds like Huawei is actively working with the Chinese government to monitor devices they’ve sold. I don’t think the US has ulterior motives behind the ban, I think they’re genuinely concerned about the risk. I hope we eventually get a report on what they know about the devices.

cnf2• 7 years ago

That so far has not been proven. OTOH, Cisco devices [0] have been proven to contain backdoors in the past.

I am cautious of any government tampering in devices, but as it stands such tampering has not been found in huawei devices, but HAS been found in devices coming from US manufacturers... Yet no one is asking a ban on those?

[0] https://theintercept.com/2014/12/13/belgacom-hack-gchq-insid...

creato• 7 years ago

Mandating that my private company seek approval from the government before doing business with Huawei is a pretty extreme rule that limits my options on the global marketplace.

Arguments based on market access when it comes to China and Chinese companies seems like a farce, before or after the trade war.

nimbius• 7 years ago

Slightly better source:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-trump-telecommu...

seeing the reasoning includes violations against ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) its difficult to see how the US isnt creating some sort of whipping boy for its own agenda. Bluecoat, Intel, IBM, and hundreds of other companies have been accused of ITAR violations as well yet were not subjected to a 7 month long PR campaign from Washington to ablate them from the economic playing field. This feels like telco's flexing their close relationship to washington and pushing for a scorched-earth policy rather than be caught completely unprepared for 5G. "if we cant sell it, you cant have it" sounds rather less like a capitalist nation.

it also bears remembering that none of their CEO's were detained in foreign airports and led to Jail to await US extradition.

dreamcompiler2• 7 years ago

7 month long PR campaign

While 5G may be a new front in this battle, US suspicion of Huawei goes back a long time -- at least as far back as the Bush administration. The current administration might be antagonistic toward China, but in no sense did they invent the war against Huawei.

luckylion2• 7 years ago

The suspicion might go back a long time, but the PR campaign is relatively new, at least at the current level. I do remember the occasional story a few years ago, but not this barrage of articles.

chvid3• 7 years ago

Is there any sort of technical evidence, documentation or anything out there justifying this?

chvid3• 7 years ago

Since we are mostly talking about hardware; it should be possible to proof the existence of a backdoor or similar by careful analysis.

I remember a few years back where all of sudden it was made an issue that members of the Danish parlament had Lenovo laptops. I think it turned out to be unfounded. Today the largest 4G network here in Denmark is made by Huawei; though they have lost the bid for the 5G network to Ericsson.

chrischen2• 7 years ago

Welcome to politics, where laws and such are merely the tools to transferring power from A to B.

bradenb• 7 years ago

ITAR violations wouldn't be against Huawei though, they would be against the companies selling controlled items without a valid license. However, I think this just reinforces the idea that they're doing anything they can to justify the ban on Huawei's products.

I'm not at all surprised that suspected violations wouldn't result in a public war against US-based companies. What would be the point in that? The violations would be addressed quietly I think.

joejerryronnie• 7 years ago

If China can steal US IP at will, then the US can blacklist their companies at will. All’s fair in love and war.

There are not many things I agree with the current US Administration on but their hardline stance on China is certainly one of them.

radmuzom2• 7 years ago

I find it interesting that the moderators were quick to remove the word Israel from the headline of the Whatsapp exploit article, but not China in this article.

mirimir5• 7 years ago

The US blacklisted Huawei because it's closely tied to the Chinese government. So it's arguably relevant.

But regarding the Whatsapp exploit, the association with Israel is arguably less relevant. The company is closely tied to Israel, but the US has a far less adversarial relationship with Israel than with China.

Edit: I was just stating the obvious, I guess. Doesn't mean that I agree with it, however. Just sayin'.

Taniwha• 7 years ago

Which was essentially the point of the gp comment .... Israel gets special treatment in the US ... even when a spinoff from their secret service is caught hacking people's phones worldwide

Udik4• 7 years ago

but the US has a far less adversarial relationship with Israel than with China

Couldn't this be a consequence, rather than the cause, of the willingness to remove or mute anything that can put Israel in a less than positive light?

bildung• 7 years ago

The US blacklisted Huawei because it's closely tied to the Chinese government.

Has that actually been proven?

HNthrow22• 7 years ago

what I found interesting was how quickly Hn jumped to action (contacting investors, pension funds) relating to NGO on a completely unsubstantiated report. "May have been" was the quote from that article. I can't recall the last time I've ever seen upvoted Hn comments outraged enough to contact investors let alone from an unconfirmed report.

Hydraulix989• 7 years ago

Apples and oranges: WhatsApp isn't an Israel-based company.

thereare5lights2• 7 years ago

Interesting but not surprising.

dang2• 7 years ago

"Quick" is inaccurate—the story had been at the top of the front page for hours. I did that because the thread was breaking into off-topic flamewars about Israel vs. Palestine and whether (lord help us) "Hacker News hates Jews". Rummaging in the big bag of tricks for a flamewar de-escalator, that was the one that came out. The intention wasn't about Israel, merely to nudge the thread back within the site guidelines. And I think it helped do that, though of course then the flames got directed at moderators for supposedly loving/hating Israel and so on.

Now that you mention it, though, there's no need to say "China's Huawei" in the title above. I've shortened it.

radmuzom2• 7 years ago

Thank you for the explanation and edit.

firstinstinct• 7 years ago

Perhaps the reason is they think they will be left behind?

ksec• 7 years ago

I will just repost this article here from Tyler Cowen, I don't think I read anyone has said it better.

The U.S.-China Cold War Will Get Worse Before It Gets Better. That’s because the major issue between the two nations is not trade or ideology but a lack of trust.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-23/u-s-ch...

cnf2• 7 years ago

Meanwhile, it has been shown [1] that the NSA DOES in fact compromise cisco equipment. Huawei hardware has yet to be found to contain backdoors, but we should ban Huawei, but not Cisco?

While compromised hardware from _ANY_ player worries me, I worry more about American hardware than I worry about Chinese hardware at this point in time...

[1] https://theintercept.com/2014/12/13/belgacom-hack-gchq-insid...

sunstone• 7 years ago

So finally Canada is getting the support that they sought and deserve.

U.S. blacklists Huawei

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