Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47970788

by ZeljkoS • 7 years ago

131 183 7 years ago

hliyan2• 7 years ago

Most cases seem to be due to users mistakenly removing the permanent screen protection layer. The company claims that the foldable screen has been tested for 200,000 folds -- i.e. about 5 years of rigorous use.

bdz• 7 years ago

CNBC reported that they never removed it but the screen still broke

https://twitter.com/robotodd/status/1118585937712250880?s=21

mirimir• 7 years ago

If it's so easily removed, how is it "permanent"?

Also, you'd think that there'd be a "DO NOT REMOVE THIS" warning on the packaging.

hliyan2• 7 years ago

I don't know. I'm not a Samsung rep. I merely stated what's currently known.

zelos• 7 years ago

There is, but it's only on the production models, not review models.

continuational• 7 years ago

If it’s pernanent, why would it be removable?

LeonM2• 7 years ago

It's not removable, that's the point.

If you try to remove it, you'll break the screen. See Marques Brownlee's pictures:

https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1118580472576118787

rockyj• 7 years ago

If the protection layer is all that is "protecting" the screen, why make it removable. Or why not put a big warning label on it (or in the manual) when you unbox the phone. Just saying :)

adrianhel4• 7 years ago

No, place its edges underneath the cover so that it never seems removable.

onion2k• 7 years ago

Most cases seem to be due to users mistakenly removing the permanent screen protection layer.

Let's not push blame on to the user. If the screen protection is so vital that the screen will fail within a day without it, then the problem is that the screen protection is removable and to easy to remove.

euler_• 7 years ago

The screen protector is an integral part of the screen. It's not that if fails later on without it, trying to remove it destroys the screen. It's like pulling the contacts out of a port and complaining that the phone won't charge.

jasonhansel• 7 years ago

Also, it seems likely that the protector could peel off accidentally during ordinary use, even by users who know not to remove it.

serpix• 7 years ago

I wonder if they bothered to test it with some sand on it and in freezing conditions / variable conditions.

chrischen• 7 years ago

This may be a case of cultural differences... a lot of Asian people like to leave those plastic protectors on!

matt4077• 7 years ago

I remember several US households with plastic cover over their couches. They didn’t even remove them for special occasions.

It always struck me as extremely strange to effectively ruin a product only to be able to throw it away in somewhat better condition.

tobyhinloopen• 7 years ago

"Most cases" = "One case"

Abishek_Muthian• 7 years ago

The device the BBC handled, incidentally, was taken away by Samsung shortly after filming was finished, so our team hasn’t had a chance to see these issues for ourselves.

This seems a red flag, when devices involving mechanical innovation the reviewers should insist on long term review & shouldn't term anything less as a review.

LeonM2• 7 years ago

There can be many reasons they took the devices with them after filming. The explanation can be as simple as Samsung UK not having enough samples for all the journalists in London.

tooltalk3• 7 years ago

or I speculate Samsung didn't want to expose their folding implementation to competitors, who would rush to release "me-too" copies, just before Samsung's release.

rchaud6• 7 years ago

Samsung did the same thing at MWC after the unveiling. Most of the demo vids I saw on YT had Samsung employees handling the device.

Huawei on the other hand gave the Mate X to YT'ers for them to shoot 5-10 minute videos examining the phone and fold mechanism from every conceivable angle.

consp• 7 years ago

While not directly comparable, the flexible flat cables in flip phones took years to be 'good' enough to last the phone's lifetime and those moved as much as this thing is going to. This might just be a cause of early production models and early adopter problems and might work out later.

Note: the flex cables are not bad per se as they are also used in cubesats for instance.

baybal2• 7 years ago

the flexible flat cables in flip phones took years to be 'good' enough to last the phone's lifetime

Early flip phones used high spec slip rings instead of flex cables. It's a shame that the industry making those high spec micro slip rings went away with flip phone era.

Only when phones reached the point of being a disposable commodity, they switched to less reliable direct cabling.

Reason077• 7 years ago

There is currently a widely reported issue with display backlight failures in MacBook Pros, apparently caused by a failure-prone flex cable which can’t be replaced:

https://ifixit.org/blog/12903/

rasz• 7 years ago

Its a non material dependent design defect, cable is too short.

pbhjpbhj3• 7 years ago

Flex cable used for the mainboard-to-screen connection in Nintendo's DS was a major failure point. It was very tricky to replace (for me); but that did make for many cheap devices that just needed a small repair.

sleepybrett• 7 years ago

Also flex cables are generally have .. i don't know what they are called 'slide sockets' on both ends, and cost pennies. Therefore designed to be repaired. Not much you can do when you flex your screen in half except replace one of the most expensive parts of your phone.

reallymental• 7 years ago

Let's assume that they knew this was a half baked product.

Not a "first edition" product like the first iPhone, but a rushed, half baked product, released without consideration of sales but just for being the first in the market for this niche.

Given this assumption, why would you give it to reviewers at all ? Remember "Vertu" ? They were the Ferrari of phones during the Blackberry era and were _shit_. I got my hands on them as a kid and was astonished how bad they were compared to my dad's cheap simple Blackberry. There's a reason why they were not reviewed widely, or positively by a large margin.

Why not just do the same thing? Don't be daft and give it to the hands of reviewers who have twitter on their fingertips and will tell everyone about every single flaw about your device, when you know your device has flaws.

Give it to the CEOs/Sports personalities, and let them flash it around for a few days/events, and cover up the flaws in the second edition. If it breaks on their hands, they certainly won't care to advertise that fact, they'll just get another phone.

If they actually thought they had finished this product, well... SSNLF is going to notice a strong presence of gravity for the next few days.

NLips• 7 years ago

Vertus were always intended as ostentatious, bling products, rather than fantastic phones. They were mid-range models covered in gold and diamonds etc.

A Ferrari is meant to be ostentatious _and_ a great car (not withstanding pratcicality or cost).

Aaargh20318• 7 years ago

Vertus were always intended as ostentatious, bling products, rather than fantastic phones. They were mid-range models covered in gold and diamonds etc.

I never understood this. If you're going to make a ridiculously expensive phone by taking an existing model and covering it in gold and diamonds, then why not start out with a high-end model ? It's not going to have any significant impact on the price anyway.

paulmd• 7 years ago

A Ferrari is meant to be ostentatious _and_ a great car (not withstanding pratcicality or cost).

Absolutely not. Ferraris are renowned for being shop queens/needing absurdly frequent servicing, which probably needs to be done at an official dealership. Also, often you need to remove the motor to do basic service (the car is designed for this).

eg see discussions in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/ba3r...

Maybe a better example would have been Leica or something, which at least are very nicely engineered cameras and can run for more than a few months without a dealer service.

kurtisc• 7 years ago

They were the Ferrari of phones
There's a reason why they were not reviewed widely

Coincidentally, Ferrari also play dishonest games with reviewers: https://jalopnik.com/how-ferrari-spins-5760248

mi100hael• 7 years ago

You could just leave it at

Ferrari also play dishonest

https://jalopnik.com/ferrari-admits-to-knowingly-allowing-de...

LifeLiverTransp2• 7 years ago

Machine industry standard parts with ones own - slightly diffrent size and tolerance and sell them for $Orgprice * 10 ?

mhh__• 7 years ago

Chris Harris (author of the linked article) was also banned from reviewing Lambo's too

londons_explore2• 7 years ago

It's not only Ferrari. Across the car industry, reviewers are typically given the highest performing and best examples that come off the production line.

There is a surprising amount of variability between 'identical' cars.

jayd16• 7 years ago

Whats the point of being secretive and ruining your reputation by pretending this is a daily driver? This is a status symbol phone. The price point makes that obvious. If it breaks all the time, all the better. It shows you don't care about a disposable $2k.

gcbw2• 7 years ago

Or pay it to be a movie prop.

I got a rare pre-production version of the matrix nokia phone, to test our WAP sites. Our model would shoot the auto-slider cover on every time we pressed the release button. The cover would fly so well we ended up incorporating the phone into the nerf office wars.

wodenokoto• 7 years ago

Vertu weren't really shit. They were just outdated Nokia phones wrapped in gold.

Traubenfuchs• 7 years ago

This is the direct result of rushing to offer something that can be called innovation after years of a draught. But foldable phones are as much a gimmick as 3D cameras.

Phone innovation is indeed dead -for the customer, that's ok, but for the vendors it's a nightmare.

tooltalk3• 7 years ago

This is obviously an early adopter edition of fairly interesting, futuristic product -- Samsung is likewise releasing it in limited quantity by reservation only. It's only gimmicky as phablets that many had denounced years ago.

burgerzzz• 7 years ago

I don't see how this not a flip phone with a screen on both ends?

majewsky• 7 years ago

It's only gimmicky as phablets that many had denounced years ago.

I still want a compact flagship phone.

jsiepkes• 7 years ago

After Royole came with the first bendable screens there has been a tremendous pressure among the big players like Samsung and LG to display their technological superiority with bendable stuff. Problem is they are simply not as far as Royole at the moment.

tooltalk3• 7 years ago

Are you saying that Royole's foldable is more mature? My understanding is that both Royole and Huawei announced their foldable without any release date slightly ahead of Samsung, just so that they could steal Samsung's spotlight.

I don't know much about Royole, but Huawei's foldable comes from BOE and BOE is many years behind Samsung both in mobile OLED and foldable. BOE is accused of copying/stealing Samsung display tech.

shifto• 7 years ago

This is definitely not a "gimmick as 3D cameras". I can't wait to replace my phone, tablet and laptop with a single device and a Bluetooth keyboard for whenever I need one. A lot of people I know feel the same and honestly I think people who don't see the potential are being shortsighted.

saiya-jin2• 7 years ago

What you want is one thing, the software is not there yet, especially for notebook replacement. Unless all you do is edit text files or browse web of course.

It is a gimmick, albeit a more useful one - have tablet and phone in 1 device. The thing is, tablets for most folks are not that great thing that everybody though they would be.

I don't see many people these days using tablets, most folks went back to phones which can do exactly the same stuff. For reading books kindle et al are much better (and cheap) product. People upgrade phones more often, and who wants to use sluggish oldish tablet compared to blazing fast phone that is always in the pocket.

jodrellblank• 7 years ago

It's either going to be a massive phone, or a tiny laptop. It's going to be wrapped in a case so it can prop itself up as a "laptop" with the device, keyboard, and case all separate.

It's going to be a phone with a huge, heavy battery, or a weak laptop with very short battery life. Running a limited phone OS or a heavy laptop OS. You'll have to open your phone to use it, and close your laptop to take a phonecall unless you also have a headset and are close.

This is as gimmicky as anything, possibly pending the arrival of magical graphene technology.

sumnole• 7 years ago

I'm with you, I think phones like these that replace multiple devices are the future for mobile computing because it's pocketable and will be there when you need it and least expect to need it, unlike a laptop.

adrianhel4• 7 years ago

AR - when it becomes practical will be really cool. Smart glasses are the next innovation in smart phones. But it is still years off.

Someone2• 7 years ago

My guess: that “film that went over the screen” is there because Samsung discovered that, in one’s pocket, pressure on the outside of the device decreases the radius of the device below its bend radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend_radius).

The units reviewers have may be early versions with that extra film. That would explain why Mark Gurman wrote ”It appeared removable in the left corner“.

AFascistWorld• 7 years ago

I think it's simple science, no multi-layer material can withstand that stress, but the current technological optimism made too many people believe nothing human can't do. Like this one trader dude I tried to reason with, he was basically "I've got money."

redwall_hp• 7 years ago

See also: Internet responses to the AirPower cancellation. It mostly sums up to "how dare a big company with a lot of money not be able to defy physical laws." People seem to think they'll magically solve wireless charging over distance as well...

adrian_pop• 7 years ago

That's the cost of being the first and trying to be a pioneer.

At least they don't explode...

no1youknowz• 7 years ago

I'm really excited to see where foldable phones go.

I know it's the first version, but looking at unbox therapy and their review. I kept on seeing the fold. [0]

If you look at reviews of the Huawei Mate X like this one [1]. Sure it's a preview version and a bit shiny, but looks much better than what Samsung has released.

IMHO Huawei has built a better foldable phone. Seems samsung has rushed this out to be the first vendor to release this type of phone, a shame really.

[0] https://i.imgur.com/Fl7PSBx.png

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOqcpZj_NUg

solarkraft2• 7 years ago

Samsung might have the more impressive technology (well, we thought that before this), but Huawei seems to have thought about the concept a bit more (even though the technology is easier). It just makes so much more sense to fold to the outside.

DanTheManPR• 7 years ago

The Mate X concept seems much cleaner, with a larger true tablet mode and no redundant screens. It remains to be seen whether the screens can survive normal without getting scuffed up or scratched. I had the same skepticism when the iPhone first came out, but glass screens have proven to be more durable than I thought they could be. Maybe these folding screens will surprise me too?

Someone2• 7 years ago

”It just makes so much more sense to fold to the outside.”

It may make less sense if the bended part of the screen isn’t as strong as conventional flat screens.

There’s a bit of a catch-22 there: you either fold the screen to the inside to give it some more protection, or you fold it to the outside to have a screen on the outside and increase the bending radius.

I don’t know enough of the technology to say what’s the better choice, but it seems it isn’t a trivial decision to make. If it were, the two companies would have made the same choice.

rchaud6• 7 years ago

The Mate X looks like a premium product when folded and unfolded. Galaxy Fold looks good unfolded, but when you fold it, the front looks like a Raspberry Pi homebrew project.

rchaud6• 7 years ago

I think Huawei's offering is a lot further along, purely on the basis that they let random Youtube bloggers play with the phone uninterrupted and post videos about it, with really close looks at the "seamlessness" of the screen at the bend point.

Samsung on the other hand limited their YT exposure to demos where Samsung staff handled the phone.

saiya-jin2• 7 years ago

TBH is anybody surprised? Bendable plastics/cables that should work after maybe 50,000 folds (few years of usage) are hard, and first iteration of actual display? Without losing at least some pixels, backlight, contrast etc in the area of the fold, or display actually cracking? Highly expected.

Now if they actually managed to get all things right in the first iteration, now that would be a huge engineering achievement. They will get there, but give them 2-3 generations

oliwarner2• 7 years ago

There are a few ways of looking at this. Most of the more engineery-types are pointing out the inevitability of failure, the challenges trying to find a good enough substrate to mount a touchscreen stack on, and trying to protect an exposed external hinge from impact, and all that material engineering science stuff that's really clever... But well besides the point.

I can't even rationalise why anybody wants a folding screen.

This seems like a gimmick searching for a market, not an answer to demand. And if this was the lowest hanging fruit for R&D to develop the next generation of phones, I think we're finally facing real stagnation in the phone market. Screen pixel density exceeds eyesight. Battery density limits are as far as known science can push them. Storage is beyond what we can reasonably use. 4G is fast enough. They've made every size of phone between a stamp and a tablet. There's nothing left to do. Phones are as dead as the PC.

What's next?

hprotagonist• 7 years ago

anti-phone peripherals. Now that phones are the ubiquitous computers everyone has, we need a next tier down for persisting contact with less addiction!

watches, wireless earbuds.

kalado• 7 years ago

I would like a folding screen for the same reason as everybody else. You can put it in your jeans pocket. Want to watch a move on the train? Pull out your fold and you have a pretty decent size tv. Same for everything else.

Only if it doesn't break of course.

shusson2• 7 years ago

I would like a folding screen

Just slap on a VR headset.

sandworm1014• 7 years ago

> They've made every size of phone between a stamp and a tablet. There's nothing left to do.

Really? My dream phone doesn't exist yet. I want a phone that is reliable, that lasts more than a few days on a single charge. I want one with two USB connections. I want one with a proper headphone jack, and a speaker that is loud enough to hear properly while driving (without a mount). For these features I am willing to trade size/weight. This phone doesn't exist yet. Until it does there remains room for improvement.

the-pigeon• 7 years ago

Why do you want your phone charge to last more than a day? Can't you just charge it while you sleep?

dahdum2• 7 years ago

I'm sure you've realized your dream phone will never exist, it sounds more like an older ultrabook than a phone. What's the reason for a USB port, much less two of them? Every new vehicle the past few years has bluetooth, so why a loud speaker?

misterprime3• 7 years ago

Can I ask what the dual USB is used for? Charge + USB OTG device?

fetus8• 7 years ago

Why do you need a loud enough speaker to hear it while driving? Can't you just tie your phone into your car's audio system? Bluetooth, Aux Cable, or otherwise??

sithadmin2• 7 years ago

Avenir manufactures a variety of devices (licensed under the Energizer brand) that might intrigue you: https://www.energizeyourdevice.com/en/mobiles/catalog/ . I think they're only sold in EU markets, though.

s3r3nity• 7 years ago

My iPhone SE (refreshed version) hits all of this, except the 2 USB connections -- which is a very specific request, but w/e, I don't judge.

In my mind still is one of the top 5 smartphones available, even if it hasn't refreshed in a few years.

benj1112• 7 years ago

"There's nothing left to do. Phones are as dead as the PC."

My toilet has a cistern, u bend, and all the features of a toilet of 100 years ago. Never the less toilets are far from dead.

What you are describing is a mature product, not a dead product.

pbhjpbhj3• 7 years ago

My toilet is dramatically different, better ceramic and less of it, lighter. It's a close-coupled cistern doing away with some piping. It's dual flush, uses much less water; it even has a redesigned ball-cock (float shut-off valve). It has a soft-close removeable seat/lid.

It's actually surprising the amount of new tech in a regular toilet - even compared to 20 years ago. And that's not a complex automated toilet, just a standard UK crapper.

Anarch157a• 7 years ago

I can't even rationalise why anybody wants a folding screen

Look atbhow thick it is when folded. At that size, a normal screen, with a huge battery and a sliding hardware keyboard would much better. For me, it would be an instant buy.

rchaud6• 7 years ago

Samsung's DeX software on the Galaxy S10 and Tab S4 lets you run an Ubuntu ARM installation when the phone is connected to an external monitor. I could definitely see the use for a phone that unfolds into a tablet for work stuff, without requiring the extra peripherals.

I'd much rather carry a single device that can do it all, but a 7.3 inch screen isn't going to get me there. I'm more interested in the Huawei Mate X, that has an 8-inch screen when unfolded.

NoodleIncident• 7 years ago

It's a tablet that fits in your pocket. Of course people want it.

However I remember comments like this one about the original iPad in the first place... because I was thinking the same thing at the time. So if you still don't get the appeal of tablets, then a folding phone also won't appeal to you.

neogodless3• 7 years ago

Uh... removable batteries?!

I jest, but my best hope for a stagnant market is competition on merits that we really want, and less so for the whizz-bang features that attract attention without improving our lives.

I've got a used Nexus 6P with a dying battery. I don't know of any improvements in newer phones I need (except security updates!) but I'm torn whether I want to learn how to replace the battery and risk damage, or shell out some bucks for a local repair shop to do it.

Let new phones come out that are "as good as" the current phones, but reintroduce features we had to "give up" to get them this good. Batteries, useful I/O ports, comfortable shapes to fit our faces...

dmix2• 7 years ago

Why did batteries stop being replaceable again?

I'm guessing it makes the design of the phone circuitry easier? You don't have to make the case removable?

The idea that it forces you to buy a new phone never seemed like a good reason to me.

moftz• 7 years ago

Save up for a replacement. My 6P just started the boot loop of death. I was using it for navigation, closed the screen and put it down for an hour, picked it back up and it was boot looping. I had that 6P for 2.5 years and even replaced the battery. I just spent a lot of money on a vacation so I wasn't really ready to drop a bunch of money on another flagship-type device. I ended up buying a Moto G7 Power. It's almost the same specs as the 6P which is fine for me, I don't do much intensive stuff on there anyway, but it does have a massive 5000mAh battery which I think I'm going to love above all else.

As for battery replacement, I had a university electronics lab at my disposal. I used a heatgun to heat the top and bottom panels on the back. It wasn't the easiest but the guides online are thorough. One thing I would recommend is letting the phone cool in a bag with some silica gel packets before sticking the back glass panel on. I had some moisture develop inside the camera lens which led to some water spots. It didn't ruin the camera but picture quality degraded a little bit.

oliwarner2• 7 years ago

Security updates and finite battery lives seem to have a convenient crossover. I'm fairly sure if we could keep a device alive indefinitely, people would use them much longer.

I don't think you can safely have replaceable batteries without first making sure the devices' software are user serviceable. Completely flip the development model to something much more like a Linux distribution and get the onus on updating away from the people plugging bits of electronic-Lego together.

izzydata• 7 years ago

I still use my 7" tablet for watching and reading stuff and my 5" phone for phone stuff. The thought of having 1 device instead of 2 is pretty nice. We don't appear to be at that point yet, but if it worked I would use it.

valine2• 7 years ago

I want a folding screen because it will make every part of using phones a nicer experience. There's a reason tablets exist: tablets provide a superior user experience. The foldable form factor lets you put a tablet in your pocket. Nobody understood the need for the iPad when it came out either.

iainmerrick5• 7 years ago

I dispute that tablets are a superior user experience. They’re great for some things, but in general phones are better. Phones crush tablets in both sales and usage, and most people have a big phone rather than a small phone and a big tablet.

antisthenes• 7 years ago

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't tablets a niche and have been for a while?

Not sure how accurate this graph is:

http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobi...

but it seems like tablet use is dwarfed by both desktop and mobile (not sure where laptops fit into the scheme of things) by a factor of 10.

But now it's 2019 and the line between tablets and laptops is blurred. However, I still don't want or need one. It's too big to fit in any pocket and too small to use as your main productivity screen. And only marginally better for watching movies than a flagship phone (which in itself is not a high bar, compared to watching a movie on a big screen TV)

linsomniac3• 7 years ago

Noteworthy: 2 of the 3 reviewers I read about broke the screens by taking off the "screen protector" the phone shipped with. It wasn't a screen protector, it was part of the screen.

leovander• 7 years ago

Reminds me of several people that peeled off the covering on the Pocket Chip, thinking it was a sort of protector. You can see the bubbling in this picture which could lead someone to believe they should remove it.

https://daverupert.com/images/posts/2017/IMG_1194.JPG

neogodless3• 7 years ago

I cannot ascertain from your comment if you have an opinion on this, but my opinion is that this is a major design flaw (even if it didn't result in immediately broken screens).

linsomniac3• 7 years ago

Oh, I don't have an opinion on it, thanks for clarifying that. I could probably formulate one, and I'm not sure it would be different from yours.

twblalock2• 7 years ago

If it is part of the screen it should not look like a removable screen protector. Everyone is used to pulling a plastic layer off their phone's screen when they take it out of the packaging. This thing looks exactly like one of those.

linsomniac3• 7 years ago

I once had a friend that was complaining about their decade old microwave and how the keypad was really looking bad, like it was going to fail at any moment. I took a slightly closer look at it, scratched it with my fingernail, and peeled off the protective cover, leaving a brand-spanking-new looking keypad.

We definitely have people trained that electronics come with a protective film over them. I mean, we clearly don't have everyone trained, but... :-)

jccalhoun• 7 years ago

they're folding it wrong. :P

iheartpotatoes• 7 years ago

I have an iPhone 7 and the Phone app periodically freezes requiring a reboot. Let that sink in: the primary function of the phone does not work. And I switched to Apple after too many Android issues turned me off completely.

You think we're going to nail folding screens any time soon?

jandrese2• 7 years ago

Sounds like you might have bad hardware or a corrupt install. Phone app freezes should be exceedingly rare, to the point of nonexistence for most users. I assume you have not jailbroken your phone?

duhi88• 7 years ago

Yea, I have a 7+ with no issues. Also a 6 that still works fine after the latest updates.

iainmerrick5• 7 years ago

I frequently hit bugs in the Phone app in iOS too (eg can’t answer incoming call). When I used Android it was even worse. I just assumed that was a common experience but nobody cares.

agumonkey2• 7 years ago

Gotta carry the grievance. What you hold in your head is not a phone, it's a pocket computer platform. Phone is mostly a vestigial tail at that point.

I'm on the Android side and their phone app is deliciously garbage, nothing is right, nothing. And nobody cares. I miss my motorola v50 every time I have to make a call.

Bud• 7 years ago

Folding screens are at least 5 years out. Samsung clearly wasn't even close.

As for your iPhone 7 Phone app, that's clearly an anomaly local to your device. Not normal. Reinstall your software.

rhinoceraptor• 7 years ago

I don’t get why all the phone makers are set on making bendable folding phones. We have the tech to make OLEDs with near zero bezels, so it seems like the most practical way to do this would just be to use two separate display elements, and make the gap between them as small as possible.

zamadatix• 7 years ago

This was the approach of the ZTE Axon M. I think it was a good way to do it as well.

iainmerrick5• 7 years ago

The main thing I don’t understand about all this is, what would be wrong with just having two screens with a thin hinge between them?

Movies wouldn’t look as good, sure. But what else? Surely this entire product line can’t be driven by movie watching... can it?

Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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