Anthos – Build and manage modern hybrid applications

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by roopakv • 7 years ago

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regnerba• 7 years ago

Anyone seen any more details on Anthos Migrate?

Google is launching the first beta of Anthos Migrate today. This service will auto-migrate VMs from on-premises or other clouds into containers in the Google Kubernetes Engine. The promise here is that this is essentially an automatic process and once the container is on Google’s platform

Edit: They demoed it on stage a few minutes after I asked... should have just waited. >.<

minimaxir2• 7 years ago

The Google Next Keynote (where this was just announced) is emphasizing the multicloud/cloud agnostic/on-prem capabilities, which given the emphasis on cloud lock-in nowadays is not what I expected.

deanCommie• 7 years ago

It's Google's competitive advantage, and is still ultimately about lock-in.

Buy in to Kubernetes, buy in to Google Anthos, have the appearance of flexibility, but get used to GCP's tooling, quirks, documentation, etc, etc, and before long you're considering GC as the first option for all new development.

It makes perfect sense from where they are in the market.

jjeaff• 7 years ago

Customers liking your service is not lock in.

rapsey• 7 years ago

You make it sound like lock-in is some unique strategy. That is the goal of every tech company. Enterprise, social or direct to consumer.

eitally• 7 years ago

I think there's some nuance here that you may be discounting. There's a difference between "the appearance of flexibility" and actual flexibility. GCP's OSS friendliness and integration is legitimately a competitive advantage, but it also is being designed explicitly to avoid a need for lock-in. The cloud market is so enormous it's not necessary for Google to create explicit bias and technical stickiness in these core products.

On the other hand, where you do get potential stickiness are in the differentiated managed service offerings Google Cloud offers. These range broadly, from industry solutions & APIs to AI/ML services, to more more core data products (Spanner, Dataproc, BigQuery).

The second set of products/services don't really have any bearing on the OSS strategy and is unfair to position Google as being intentionally disingenuous in the marketing.

yRetsyM• 7 years ago

Anthos is a subscription-based service, with the list prices starting at $10,000/month per 100 vCPU block. Enterprise prices then to be up for negotiation, though, so many customers will likely pay less.
Google will offer a single managed service that will let you manage and deploy workloads across clouds [...] This is Google, after all, managing your applications for you on AWS and Azure

from: https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/09/googles-anthos-hybrid-clou...

k__• 7 years ago

lol, guess their new CEO did use the "Oracle Playbook" as he promised...

pm902• 7 years ago

Their new CEO is an unmitigated disaster. Either he will have to change his ways or he will be leaving very very soon.

ec1096852• 7 years ago

I wonder why they make things so crazy expensive or aren’t upfront about enterprise / volume pricing.

beckler• 7 years ago

Sometimes things are negotiable, and if you list a price, it could be a turnoff for a potential (usually large) customer.

Like if you see that something costs $X, and you can only afford $Y, you might not even bother with it.

But if you talk with them they might be able to work within your budget.

But of course, when you do that, it's a clear sign you're targeting large clients/contracts, so your smaller customers won't want to bother with it.

hammock2• 7 years ago

GCP is scaling up a huge outside sales org (expensive). That means any propsect that's not an enterprise is not worth going after. Easy to weed out the medium and small businesses if you are upfront about a minimum 10k/month commitment.

cortesoft• 7 years ago

Enterprise customers have a very different idea of what crazy expensive is... if this means we have to hire one less person to run ops, this is a cost savings.

foobarbazetc• 7 years ago

Lol. I was wondering why there was no download link.

spullara• 7 years ago

All the pages have "Contact Sales" as the first call to action.

ronsor• 7 years ago

which is code for "This isn't for you! You can't afford this! Go away!"

_jezell_2• 7 years ago

Not to mention that it requires other licenses and hardware to work in the first place, so your total licensing cost is quite a bit higher than that:

"What's required to run Anthos? Anthos has multiple components. Among these, running GKE On-Prem requires vCenter 6.5 in order to create VMs for the GKE On-Prem cluster. Additionally, GKE On-Prem integrates with F5 BIG-IP load balancers in order to provide layer 4 load balancing."

At least AWS Outposts and Azure Stack include all the hardware and all the licenses in the box.

reilly3000• 7 years ago

I'm a little confused by their landing page, is this a product/packaging made for on-prem users only, or some general GKE config management that applies to all GKE customers?

shiftpgdn• 7 years ago

How long until Google cancels this with 6 months notice?

bluetidepro• 7 years ago

Forewarning... I think a lot of people on HN (myself included) are a bit tired of this joke now. While I get and understand the frustration/sentiment, I think it's a bit played out, and doesn't add to the discussion anymore.

jedberg5• 7 years ago

It's true that it's not a funny joke, but it does make a point. Any time Google announces something cool, the first thought most engineers have is, "Do I really want to invest in this given that it could go away with minimal warning?".

It's a huge problem that Google will have to overcome. Say what you will about AWS, but they've only ever cancelled one product as far as I know (SimpleDB) and they gave people multiple years warning and a replacement product.

whatshisface• 7 years ago

Not everybody is on the same page w.r.t. "dead memes," for example I had not considered Google's history of service cancellation when I saw this page.

ehsankia• 7 years ago

This outdated joke doesn't even apply to Google Cloud anyways. In its 10 years of existence, they haven't killed a single service.

People comparing the deprecation of an RSS reader to that of an enterprise-tier service clearly don't understand anything about tech.

Corrado• 7 years ago

It's not just the specter of cancellation that haunts some people's perception of Google; remember the big price hike of GAE? The point is that Google is very unpredictable and in the "Enterprise" world that is a huge no-no.

pinewurst• 7 years ago

Google has decided to imitate AWS for ridiculously non-obvious service names.

PanosJee3• 7 years ago

They are total legit if you speak Greek. Now engineers get to know Greek words like MDs :D

canada_dry• 7 years ago

Wait, isn't this what docker is theoretically capable of? (i.e. via docker-compose to manager docker containers)

autotune• 7 years ago

Not even remotely as docker-compose is not Kubernetes, or anything resembling a container scheduler or Kubernetes Management Platform.

jedisct1• 7 years ago

When will it be discontinued?

grier• 7 years ago

Probably when Reader is brought back.

PanosJee3• 7 years ago

And it will be branded as anagnostes

andrewrynhard• 7 years ago

Interesting. Sounds a lot like my OSS project Talos: https://github.com/talos-systems/talos. Very similar goals too.

cpursley• 7 years ago

Did they also steal your logo? Those are pretty close.

mistrial9• 7 years ago

What is the story here (andrew) ?

aurailious• 7 years ago

So is Google deciding to use Greek names for all their cloud services now?

PanosJee3• 7 years ago

Hahaha and my last startup was called sfalma (σφάλμα) which stands for error but nobody could pronounce. Unless it became a Google project. Kubernetes is pretty hard core too

alchemism• 7 years ago

In the fine Graeco-Roman "Pentium" tradition, yes.

DebtDeflation• 7 years ago

Response to IBM's strategy re: the Red Hat acquisition?

pm902• 7 years ago

No. IBM is flailing around trying to innovate it’s way out of real financial constraints that affect their bottom lines. They’ve managed to stay relevant only through acquisitions; most smart engineers have a pretty negative view of them, for good reasons: it’s not an engineering first company, it’s a sales first company, and it won’t survive for very long when most people figure out their Watson AI is a hot pile of garbage.

inscrutable• 7 years ago

so this will run on AWS and Azure too.... what is it going to use to provision the cluster, kops?

_jezell_2• 7 years ago

I'm not sure what the logic here is compared to AWS Outposts and Azure Stack. AWS Outposts and Azure stack support a very large number of Azure services and Anthos just supports GKE and Istio? So there's no first class story for basic things like queues and blob storage? How many people really use Kubernetes without needing a persistent volume claim?

I like the idea of something you can just install and run on your existing hardware, but that doesn't seem to be the goal of this either as they only support a single router and a single proprietary virtualization platform. That seems even worse than just giving you a box you can plug in like AWS and Azure.

Bigger question is what is it going to take for Google to offer anything more than this? Google has very restrictive source code policies internally, so I'd guess they'd be extremely reluctant to let the binaries for things like BigTable which run all of Google and GCP leave their network. Do they rewrite all their services or let BigTable run outside of firewall and throw an atomic clock in the box?

cavisne• 7 years ago

The same limitations apply to the other on prem services. Theres no way the real EBS control and data plane is running on prem, its just some compatible service.

Outposts has a limited feature set if you arent using vsphere, and Azure uses Microsoft's existing private cloud/on prem stack.

Enterprises are scared of one way bad decisions so if GC can convince them containerizing and moving their apps to kubernetes first is worth it over "lift and shift" this could go well. One of the few competitive advantages google has for enterprises is they can point to Amazon and Azure being forced to add managed Kubernetes services, because customers wanted that instead of a proprietary orchestrator.

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