ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

https://protonmail.com/blog/turkey-online-censorship-bypass/

by stockmania • 8 years ago

327 141 8 years ago

jgrid0072• 8 years ago

Things are getting worse in Turkey, but I don't think it's worth to block this service: Most of Protonmail users are familiar with VPN, TOR...

owly• 8 years ago

I disagree. I’ve recommended ProtonMail to many novice users and helped them get setup. It is so simple that I suspect many less technical users are using it in countries with oppressive regimes.

luxpir2• 8 years ago

Aren't you actually agreeing?

He's saying they'll use tunneling to get around the block so they can carry on using it.

louithethrid• 8 years ago

I sometimes wonder, wether paranoid dictatorships could not be fooled, by automatically creating fake users in fake relationships, sending each other conspiring comments and information. That way all those secret service snoops could be kept busy chasing wild gooses, leaving the normal people they usually harass into oppossition, to go on about there lives.

BLKNSLVR2• 8 years ago

So long as you're covering your tracks when creating these and using these fake accounts. Covering your tracks by using all the tools that are outlawed and detectable, thus putting a bigger target on your back.

If you're going to tickle the toes of dictatorially-run law enforcement, your security had better be watertight.

bogle2• 8 years ago

It sounds like a lot of work but if you performed it from outside of the jurisdiction you'd be safe. Not your friends and family inside, though, so still better not to be identified.

zhte415• 8 years ago

Governments, armies, and interested parties, have been doing this for millenia.

ransom15382• 8 years ago

They recommend ProtonVPN. Does anyone know the legal ramifications of using a vpn with shared exit nodes? EG: A 'crack' squad of computer crime investigators in Jackson Mississippi track illegally uploaded content to a forum originating from ip address [39.21.2.32] (which is a VPN exit node). Unbeknownst to you that is YOUR exit node now.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/09/digital-equivalent-rum...

nukeop• 8 years ago

Why would that be any different to getting assigned somebody's previous IP address by DHCP? It's non-incriminating because it can be demonstrated you didn't control that IP during the time illegal content was uploaded.

ransom15382• 8 years ago

True. But my general ISP dhcp'ed ip address doesn't change much AND when it does I have decent odds someone (who would do illegal uploads) wouldn't be dumb enough to do it over a non-VPNed line.

jlgaddis2• 8 years ago

In these cases, a request for the identity of the account associated with $IP at $timestamp would typically receive a response such as "$IP is a shared IP address used by many different accounts simultaneously. As we do not log individual sessions at layer 4, it is impossible for us to provide you with this account information."

letsgetphysITal• 8 years ago

Literally how Private Internet Access responded to an FBI request.

Not endorsing PIA in any way, though do use the services.

jerheinze4• 8 years ago

To get the Tor Browser try to download it from the official Github repository: https://github.com/thetorproject/gettorbrowser Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work.

qwerty4561274• 8 years ago

AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rather easy to detect. AFAIK (from some news here on HN) you can get SWATed and arrested for a mere suspicion (e.g a false positive by an automated traffic analysis system) of using an end-to-end encrypting messenger or even Twitter in Turkey. I doubt it is legal and safe to use TOR in such countries. We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side.

walrus01• 8 years ago

it is by no means foolproof and won't get around a deep packet inspection/flow analysis system, but this is why obfsproxy exists:

https://www.google.com/search?q=obfsproxy+tor&ie=utf-8&oe=ut...

jerheinze4• 8 years ago

AFAIK the fact of TOR usage is rater easy to detect.

That's why I said: "Then use meek-amazon as a pluggable transport which should work." meek-amazon makes your traffic look like you're talking to:

url=https://d2cly7j4zqgua7.cloudfront.net/ front=a0.awsstatic.com

With the snowflake pluggable transport (only available with Linux and Mac alphas for now) the traffic looks like WebRTC.

You can read more about them here:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/meek

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/Snowflake

tony1013• 8 years ago

"We need something that is harder to detect on the client ISP side."

That's what Telex[1][2] is designed to do. Too bad the project seems to have stalled.

[1] https://telex.cc

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telex_(anti-censorship_system)

forapurpose• 8 years ago

... should work

If it doesn't, people could get arrested and worse. Is this advice reliable enough for that level of risk?

jerheinze4• 8 years ago

By "should work" I meant that the Tor client would bootstrap and you would be able to use it.

qwerty4561274• 8 years ago

In just so many countries (including those many people never know are in too) the state-led war on privacy and communication freedom is getting hotter and hotter. Some countries do it openly, some manage to look liberal until you look closer. Just try to start marketing a proprietary privacy-oriented messenger app or something like that and the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep, demanding you to bake a backdoor in. Sad but true. I don't really know how are we (the people, who value privacy of themselves and of the others) going to win this war while keeping legal, it's an open challenge so far...

Spooky23• 8 years ago

Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law.

natvert• 8 years ago

Lawyers and law makers need to remember technology will continually outpace them. Both in execution of ideas and in value creation.

qwerty4561274• 8 years ago

Technolgoists need to remember that tech is nothing without law.

It works both ways. A law can be almost nothing without technical means to enforce it efficiently. There can be cases that make a law [almost] futile so the governments give it up. E.g. many governments tried to ban alcohol but it's so easy (yet dangerous as it can blow up and set the house on fire, especially if the cook is drunk and/or the hardware is amateur) to produce at home that fighting it seriously just doesn't seem to make any sense. Some governments have tried to ban the phalaris grass as it may contain tiny amounts of dimethyltryptamines but it just grows all over everywhere so they have given up the ban as it was almost as ridiculous as it would be to ban sand, flies or whatever this common. The problem is to invent a medium for exchanging messages that is easy to establish independently (no need for uncommon devices, no special requirements to the underlying ISP) yet very hard to detect, compromise or disrupt. This sounds like a serious challenge yet not like an entirely impossible thing provided breakthroughs in mathematics/cryptography, physics and the telecom tech still happen from time to time. Some political/economical factors may also play on our side occasionally. My hope is for the whole Internet to morph into a fully-decentralized distributed network employing DIY P2P links as its organic and vital part. Perhaps this may happen once if something is going to make classic ISPs unprofitable and stimulate growth of MESH networks with something like i2P serving as a layer connecting them in one secure and reliable global network.

megous2• 8 years ago

It's not entirely nothing. Even if gov. thugs are there to beat you, if you communicated with others safely, at least those people are still protected as long as you will not reveal their identity or whatever you've communicated about.

If the gov. just murders you and gets to your stuff, they can't analyze it to get at more people in your circle.

It just doesn't solve the problem of violent government. But there are still benefits.

teekert2• 8 years ago

Politicians need to remember that The Law is nothing in the face of technology. (You can't block fundamental math, you can't block decentralized apps that hide their traffic as something else, you can't prevent knowledge from leaking out, from anywhere, etc.)

peterburkimsher• 8 years ago

"the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep" - for the US, I'm emotionally inclined to agree with you.

ProtonMail was developed in Geneva, where I grew up. It was a spin-off from people who worked at CERN, like the World Wide Web itself.

Geneva is also a United Nations base, and many other NGOs are headquartered/have offices in the area for that reason (the Red Cross, WWF, Amnesty, Greenpeace). There's a lot of local community support for the operators of ProtonMail.

Switzerland is not EU, although it is Schengen. International incidents occur all the time, such as the time I forgot to take my passport when going to school (my parents live in France, but I went to the International School of Geneva in Switzerland). Because people don't need a visa to cross the border, it would be easy for an intimidated web developer to flee the country. Attempting to get an extradition would then require an arrest warrant, which would require a criminal case to be brought against that person in absentia. Although intelligence services can try to threaten ProtonMail (and probably already have), there are a lot of options available in that area to keep individual staff safe.

secfirstmd• 8 years ago

"Just try to start marketing a proprietary privacy-oriented messenger app or something like that and the intelligence guys will emerge promptly at your doorstep, demanding you to bake a backdoor in"

Nope...Been making one for 3+ years, worked on high risk human rights type stuff for over a decade and never happened.

Surprisingly most people doing things in this space don't have g-men kicking in the door. Live in UK, Ireland and many other countries and hasn't been an issue.

Might not seem real to a lot of people who are affected by certain biases but most Western government type people we meet at conferences etc are actually quietly supportive and respectly agree/disagree with what we are all trying to do. Not eveything is a black or white echo chamber - we are all citizens who understand nuance (for those of us fortunate to live on free countries - of course Turkey is no longer anything near that.)

FWIW Protonmail is very useful for a large chunk of threat models were security is pretty high but implementing PGP in all its various forms is a pain the ass.

digianarchist3• 8 years ago

Protonmail routinely hands over information to the authorities. They also determine themselves what cases should be allowed to bypass the requirements for a search warrant.

https://protonmail.com/blog/transparency-report/

Erlich_Bachman3• 8 years ago

That is why your privacy-oriented messenger app needs to be decentralized. And open-source.

golergka• 8 years ago

the people, who value privacy of themselves and of the others

The problem is that privacy is not the only thing we care about, and the balance between different needs is a complicated political problem - which is exactly the kind of "soft", people problem which complexity a typical software engineer would underestimate.

Turkey is becoming more and more authoritatian, indeed. However, they're also sharing a border with ISIS and there's a lot of terror activities in the region. Fighting such threats always leads to increasing influence of the military and secret services, and their new capabilities will be used both to fight terror and suppress citizens.

These things are a double-edged sword; any simplistic view on this is inadequate, regardless of whether it's positive or negative.

pedrocr• 8 years ago

They couldn't have paid for better advertising than this.

tsax• 8 years ago

Forgive me for this n00b question, but what do you get with ProtonMail (with respect to security) that you don't get with, say, gmail?

protonmail5• 8 years ago

ProtonMail team here. Here is our assessment about how ProtonMail compares to Gmail from the security/privacy perspective: https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-vs-gmail-security/

bogomipz7• 8 years ago

"No tracking and logging Google records literally every action done by its users. This includes your IP address, every search that you do, which emails you open, which websites you visit, and much more. ProtonMail takes the opposite approach and by default, does not monitor or record user activity, not even IP addresses."

Has this been verified by an independent third party?

Also how do you determine there's an issue with with IP prefixes in AS 15897 Vodaphone Turkey[1], if you don't log IP addresses?

[1] https://bgpview.io/asn/15897

kevinSuttle2• 8 years ago

ProtonMail isn’t run by a data mining ad agency that works on military drones.

bogomipz7• 8 years ago

Not but its been around now for 17 years without a major security breach.

asp_hornet• 8 years ago

Encryption between protonmail accounts and when sending to non proton mail accounts:

When you send an encrypted message to a non-ProtonMail user, they receive a link which loads the encrypted message onto their browser, which they can decrypt using a passphrase that you have shared with them. You can also send unencrypted messages to Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook and others, just like regular email.

JepZ4• 8 years ago

I am neither a ProtonMail nor a Gmail user so this might be completely wrong, but as far as I understand it, the short answer to your question is:

ProtonMail offers an easy access to a client which supports End-To-End encryption for your emails.

So nobody besides the sender and the receiver can read the content of the email. Traditional emails are more or less plain text files which (usually) get encrypted for transfers between mail servers, but every mail server involved in the transmission can read the content.

JepZ4• 8 years ago

Actually, I am not sure if it wise to circumvent that block. I mean its probably as easy as typing

  echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/hosts

to a root shell, but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain, I suspect that something similarly can happen to the people who try to use Proton mail.

On the other hand, if everybody stops using those services, the surveillance tyrants have won...

dsacco• 8 years ago

but since we know that in the past people have been send to prison, just because some app on their phone requested an URL from the wrong domain

Do you have a citation? When did that happen?

batuhanw• 8 years ago

It wasn't one big event that someone got arrested for using the app. It was, civil polices were arresting anyone who uses crypto-message apps like ByLock.

We've seen cases where people sent to prison because they are wearing certain T-short. Really.

edit links:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/11/turks-detained...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mahir-zeynalov/turkish-police...

lujego• 8 years ago

https://boingboing.net/2018/01/28/30000-accused.html

JepZ4• 8 years ago

I had the Bylock story in mind:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16203989

There were other apps using tracking pixels with the Bylock domain and their users got arrested too.

jlgaddis2• 8 years ago

Presumably, you mean:

  echo 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf

oblio• 8 years ago

I'm guessing you want to append instead of overwriting, too? :)

nh2• 8 years ago

Usually you need "nameserver 8.8.8.8", not just the IP. Or is a plain IP accepted as well?

tyingq2• 8 years ago

I lived in Izmir in the 90's, and the vibe was actually fairly liberal. The locals seemed to feel pretty free, optimistic, and not overly worried about their government. Sad to see things regressing so much.

BLKNSLVR2• 8 years ago

Everywhere is regressing at the moment. Brexit, US protectionism, China's a dictatorship again.

It's like none of the 'leaders of the world' have read any history. Or they have, and are arrogant enough to think 'that won't happen now that I'M in charge'.

tyingq2• 8 years ago

Sure, but Turkey is a little different. It's going from, for some people "no issues, I'm influential and popular, if perhaps a little controversial", to suddenly "I'm in jail now, for probably months".

abrbhat• 8 years ago

It could also have to do with the unprecedented means of mass surveillance available today.

zaarn3• 8 years ago

Turkey is special. They openly arrest Journalists opposing the government. Prisons in Turkey currently have the highest literacy rates in the country. People outside of Turkey who oppose Erdogan are threatened by either turkish accounts or even locals (I've seen this happening in a private whatsapp group from a school class I graduate a while ago where someone was threatened bodily harm if they did not retract statements about Erdogan)

It is an authoritarian, Orwellian government out of the book.

nurettin3• 8 years ago

This is why the rest of Turkey calls İzmir "kâfir". They are the most secular bunch. They are also very pro-ataturk. AKP's projects for that region include bringing migrants to dilute the voter population.

gkya2• 8 years ago

This is nothing to do with the current issue at hand. Istanbul was just as liberal and nice of a city as anywhere else, but then the last decade happened.

Maybe if as a people we stopped thinking in terms of funny plots like "they are trying to dilute the peeps" and opened our eyes to the facts before our eyes, we'd be in a better shape.

kerberos844• 8 years ago

Wrong! Only erdogan supporters would call izmir that way. And they are not rest of Turkey! They are between %40-%50 maximum.

fouc• 8 years ago

The picture of the monitor displaying traceroute with dirt clinging to the screen and some finger smudges and the reflection of the photographer is pretty hilarious.

hknc• 8 years ago

I think they have not been blocked, rather they had an outage.

https://twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/974167124892700673

protonmail5• 8 years ago

There was a brief outage, but the block in Turkey is something entirely different.

_bohm2• 8 years ago

Probably impossible to tell, but I'm willing to bet this is related to the fact that the YPG uses ProtonMail for communications.

protonmail5• 8 years ago

Is there actually a public source for this? We were not aware of this (but then again, we know almost nothing about users)

_bohm2• 8 years ago

They YPG International communications page: http://ypg-international.org/contact/

bogomipz7• 8 years ago

"Our support team first became aware of connectivity problems for Turkish ProtonMail users starting on Tuesday. After further investigation, we determined that protonmail.com was unreachable for both Vodafone Turkey mobile and fixed line users. Since then, we have also received some sporadic reports from users of other Turkish ISPs. At one point, the issue was prevalent in every single major city in Turkey. After investigating the issue along with members of the ProtonMail community in Turkey, we have confirmed this is a government-ordered block rather than a technical glitch. Internet censorship in Turkey tends to be fluid so the situation is constantly evolving"

Vodaphone like every major ISP has a NOC. Did Prontomail reach out to the ISP to see if it was a routing issue?

I don't see that mentioned above anywhere in the investigation methodology. How did you confirm that it was a "government-ordered block" if you only worked with "members of the ProtonMail community'?

protonmail5• 8 years ago

ProtonMail is quite prevalent in Turkey and there are actually ProtonMail users who work within Vodafone Turkey, and that is how we got the confirmation.

bogomipz7• 8 years ago

So did you also contact their NOC via the handle listed for them in their RIPE routing registry entry? That's the normal protocol.

Just because there's "ProtonMail users who work within Vodafone Turkey" doesn't mean they have enable level access on Vodaphone's routers.

ekianjo2• 8 years ago

Why use protonmail instead of actual PGP that would never be blocked?

nurettin3• 8 years ago

Because they would have to maintain their own key pair which could easily be taken by chance, unlike a trusted third party who is in another country's jurisdiction and is unwilling to just hand them over. Not everything is software.

zaarn3• 8 years ago

Protonmail makes it easy. Even today using PGP Email is not something I would trust the average computer user to pull off and pull it off safely

ekianjo2• 8 years ago

Even today using PGP Email is not something I would trust the average computer user to pull off and pull it off safely

I'd argue it is not that complicated once you take the time to explain how it works.

2aa07e24• 8 years ago

Just a note to anybody who wants to try their free tier, they add a tapatalk-like message in every e-mail you send ('this email was sent via protonmail' or something in that nature), unless you pay.

It's not like the e-mail receivers couldn't already see the host, but I was unaware of that when I was registering an account, so I'm calling that a dark pattern.

At least it was easy to self-delete it afterwards.

tony1013• 8 years ago

It is just a default email signature that you can see in your compose window and delete manually if you do not wish to pay.

2aa07e24• 8 years ago

No, it is not. It is not related to the signature settings anymore.

rocky1138• 8 years ago

A totalitarian government blocking a service is a good sign they are unable to break its security and thus use it as a surveillance tool. It's a great advertisement for ProtonMail.

gukov• 8 years ago

Unable to break its security or the service's owners are not cooperating.

jerrre• 8 years ago

Unable to break its security AND the service's owners are not cooperating maybe even

KMag• 8 years ago

Vizzini: ... they block it because they can break it and want all of their adversaries to think it's unbreakable... Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I’m not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

azureel2• 8 years ago

A small note (though it may be unrelated), some ip address ranges are not accessible from Vodafone TR (3G/4G) connections.

216.239.36.219 <- For example this address returns "HTTP 504" from Vodafone. There are some other addresses like this which happen to be around, randomly.

So it may be a misconfiguration on Vodafone TR Network, routers or such thing. Sample curl output below.

  $ time curl -vki 216.239.36.219
  * rebuilt url to: 216.239.36.219/
  * trying 216.239.36.219...
  * connected to 216.239.36.219 (216.239.36.219) port 80 (#0)
  > get / http/1.1
  > host: 216.239.36.219
  > user-agent: curl/7.47.0
  > accept: */*
  > 
  < http/1.1 504 gateway time-out
  http/1.1 504 gateway time-out
  < server: webproxy/1.0 pre-alpha
  server: webproxy/1.0 pre-alpha
  < date: mon, 08 may 2017 07:04:23 gmt
  date: mon, 08 may 2017 07:04:23 gmt
  < content-length: 0
  content-length: 0
  < connection: keep-alive
  connection: keep-alive
  
  < 
  * connection #0 to host 216.239.36.219 left intact
  
  real 0m10.909s
  user 0m0.012s
  sys 0m0.004s
  $ curl -vki http://84.19.190.203/
  * trying 84.19.190.203...
  * connected to 84.19.190.203 (84.19.190.203) port 80 (#0)
  > get / http/1.1
  > host: 84.19.190.203
  > user-agent: curl/7.47.0
  > accept: */*
  > 
  < http/1.1 504 gateway time-out
  http/1.1 504 gateway time-out
  < server: webproxy/1.0 pre-alpha
  server: webproxy/1.0 pre-alpha
  < date: mon, 08 may 2017 07:56:58 gmt
  date: mon, 08 may 2017 07:56:58 gmt
  < content-length: 0
  content-length: 0
  < connection: keep-alive
  connection: keep-alive
  
  < 
  * connection #0 to host 84.19.190.203 left intact
  $

genericacct• 8 years ago

TBH vodafone blocks just about anything in italy. i have to click thre warnings to download binaries from bitbucket for example. Their secure browsing "service" is half a scam.

gkya2• 8 years ago

Seemingly this is nothing to do with the government, as controlling through the website of the insitution where there's a form to check if a given domain is blocked [1], it tells me that there are "no blocks on this domain", i.e. protonmail.com. You can try instead wikipedia.org to see what it looks like when a domain is blocked.

[1] http://internet.btk.gov.tr/sitesorgu/

Aissen• 8 years ago

It's time. Browser should integrate hardened-DNS features. TLS 1.3 is just a stepping stone. Local DNS resolver, DNSSEC, DNS over DTLS/HTTPS/QUIC (pick one) and of course, Tor.

Tepix• 8 years ago

When I visited Egypt a three years ago I was using Vodafone to connect to my mail server. They performed a MITM attack and stripped the STARTTLS from the SMTP dialogue.

I had to switch to the legacy SSL port 465 for SMTP to use encryption.

aiCeivi9• 8 years ago

So I wonder - does that have any negative impact on vodafone brand in other countries?

ssijak2• 8 years ago

For the love of everything, I can`t remember the name and can`t find/google it, of a private mail service also from Switzerland. It had simpler marketing and UX, maybe not even web clients and had some affiliate program and I think the name started with "m". Help?

ssijak2• 8 years ago

Found it! Migadu.

bogle2• 8 years ago

If we're starting a list of possible alternatives then Tutanota is good (Germany IIRC).

DyslexicAtheist• 8 years ago

(x) Don't use public DNS such as google (or the DNS provided by your ISP such as Vodafone). Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey

(x) Tor is is one of many layers for anonymity to circumvent blocking. Don't "just" install the tor-browser or tor-proxy on your system but run tails from a clean machine. If you know what you're doing you might want to help others by isolating whole networks using PORTALofPi to guarantee no DNS-leaks. Pro-Tip: build a LEDE based device and share your design with the community so others can benefit and give you input (because you will make mistakes).

(x) Don't use mobile internet if you don't know what you're doing (those who know what they're doing don't use mobile phones for critical comms)

(x) Use burner phones with anonymous SIM cards and aggressive hardware based compartmentalization. Check this article for good OpSec/compartmentalization tips (second half of the article after the discussion on browsers that looks dated).

(x) Despite popular claim VPNs don't give you anonymity. They shift the trust from your ISP to the VPN. If you pay for a VPN service by credit card consider what the payment provider knows about you.

see https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/vodafone-blocks-protonmail-tu...

gruez• 8 years ago

Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey

what's the point? DNS isn't encrypted, so it's trivial to log/intercept your queries.

PTRFRLL• 8 years ago

You could run DNSCrypt and use a server that supports it:

https://servers.opennic.org/

martimarkov• 8 years ago

I guess it's harder to monitor all DNS traffic in the entire country than asking the ISP to give records for a specific user.

ju-st• 8 years ago

DNS over VPN is encrypted (at least until the VPN server)

kerberos844• 8 years ago

What I don't understand is if it is a "government-ordered block", which wouldn't be surprising, why is it limited to Vodafone users? I would expect half-government hold TTNet and even Turkcell to block as well.

rowyourboat2• 8 years ago

It isn't limited to Vodafone. The original headline is "ProtonMail is being blocked in Turkey. Here’s how to bypass Turkey’s online censorship."

kerberos844• 8 years ago

I read the article not only the title. i would also recommend you to read the article.

giancarlostoro• 8 years ago

Another public DNS is available from the IPredator.se guys as well. Forgot what page on their site they had it under though. They also run some tor nodes. They're one of my favorite VPN services. The staff is very welcoming on their IRC server too.

philfrasty2• 8 years ago

Anyone know why they have this weird onion url „protonirockerxow.onion“? Kinda hard to remember.

detaro• 8 years ago

You can't just choose your onion url, since it's directly derived from your key, and that's probably the best they found (if you want to have any choice at all, you have to bruteforce try keys until you find one matching the pattern, so everything more than choosing a few letters gets difficult/expensive)

philfrasty2• 8 years ago

thanks so much for taking the time to explain!

notaplumber• 8 years ago

It should be blocked by all public mailing lists too, quite frankly. Its users cannot be bothered configure the webmail properly and often send atrociously formatted replies to threads.

atomkarinca• 8 years ago

the suggestions that are proposed are: - use a vpn >> when protonmail is unreachable, protonvpn is unreachable, too. so not so useful. - switch dns >> till when? till it`s not only a dns problem anymore. by the looks of it, it`s not gonna take much time. - use tor >> tor is blocked, too. so... yeah.

i guess when people in the us or europe think about censorship, then think of this romantic blocking of some services, and if you`re tech-savvy enough, you can bypass anything.

no you can`t (at least i can`t). it`s turkey now, it`s gonna be universal tomorrow.

medyadaily• 8 years ago

Turkey is the largest prison for journalists they recently started a genocide on Kurdish population in Syria in city of afrin and they are hugely cracking down on anyone who is criticisizing their war on kurdish civilians. Unfortunately they have extended their censorship outside turkey and even in United States to get Kurdish accounts banned for criticizing erdogan's government

ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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