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Okay? We have information that Anthropic sucked up all of the internet for the development of Fable.

"Our AI makes your workers X times more productive"

This is still replacement, it's just not _total_ replacement.

You're not the target audience of his attempts at advertising. Your employer is. So, to answer your question: Dario does not care.

What else would they advertise with? "Our model constantly makes mistakes so you still have to hire expensive humans to proof-read everything"? The entire point of the AI industry is to automate human jobs. There is nothing else to advertise with.

The existing biological evidence took billions of years of evolution to get to the state it's at. So it may not just take research and discovery but also enormous computing power.

Why do you think tech bro billions aren't also subject to replacement by AI?

Because they're billionaires. They don't actually work for a living. They own stuff for a living.

And fully superhuman AI eliminates the main objection to socialism, that you need markets with smart people to make an economy function. Full automated luxury communism (like Ian Banks) is a possible outcome.

Luxury communism is also a possible outcome in countries with large oil reserves (Venezuela for example), it's just not a likely outcome because common people have no leverage and billionaires didn't become billionaires by giving stuff away.

Even if "fully automated luxury communism" were a likely outcome, the transition there would be very rough and would take years. If software engineering is automated away in 2028 it could still take years or decades before the first general purpose robot can take over plumbing. (Former) software engineers will have a rough transition.

He isn't saying that anyone not born in Sweden is forced to leave. You should try to actually read and understand the quote.

Sadly your comment does not contain any actual argument as to _why_ you think the quote is ethnonationalist.

The math community was not a global underclass.

I never claimed they were. The term "permanent underclass" refers to the preferred world order of AI techbro billionaires[1] where human labour is worthless and in consequence normal people no longer have any leverage. Societies where most of the value is dug out of the ground and where human labour is comparatively worthless already exist and living there is not necessarily fun[2].

World wealth is increasing, the actual global underclass is seeing rapidly improving lives.

The global underclass has been seeing improving lives well before LLMs were a thing. The question is whether they will _continue_ to see their lives improve if their labour is no longer required.

You may be seeing a loss of privilege due at least in part to the inevitable reversion to the mean of US economic dominance.

I'm not from the US, I don't live in the US, and in fact I've never been to the US.

AI will lead to a much larger pie.

Which will only benefit people if their piece of the pie doesn't shrink because they don't have any leverage. There is also more than one pie. The real estate pie for example won't grow, instead every piece of the pie will become even more expensive. Most people only own pieces of the pie that will decrease in value (human labour) not pieces of pies that will increase in value.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/30/opinion/ai-labor-work-for...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

Do you think the CEO of your company hired you and pays a lot of money for you because they like you?

so it's kind of annoying I'm not really going to see any upsides to an AI world either

I don't think the "permanent underclass" will see many upsides either. They certainly won't have the money to pay for it. I'm excluding myself in that statement because luckily I have access to large amounts of barbiturates.

I think the training data contains more than enough information for an LLM to learn what kind of proof is considered beautiful or elegant by humans.

Of course it also contains more than enough information to learn what kind of question is interesting to humans.

Doesn't that mean you bet against the bitter lesson?

Do you assume that five years from now you'll get paid for coding with LLMs?

I think anyone willing to pay $500k is well aware that LLMs can be used to find vulnerabilities.

Of course AI can also farm conjectures, but they have to develop taste, which might be harder than just proving theorems.

Do you have any argument why you might think this would be true?

What are they claiming then? Allard says that people whose only connection to Sweden is being born there are not Swedish (which is correct) and that they would have to leave. I don't see the connection to ethnonationalism here.

Anybody that has to work for a living is fucked and not on the "can't do mathematics which they would find fulfilling"-level but on the "can't afford food, because human intelligence is simply not required anymore"-level.

It's been fun watching the cope collapse from day to day. No one told me a slow takeoff Singularity would have so much schadenfreude.

I'm constantly surprised at how much schadenfreude there is on hacker news about LLMs. Like, do you guys (and girls) not have to work for a living?

Nobody said that they can't.

Sweden doesn't appear to have birthright citizenship (jus soli), so people whose only connection to Sweden is being born there are in fact not swedish. If this is your definition of ethnonationalism, then most of the world is already ethnonationalist.

Some key issues for the Örebro Party locally include strong secularism, a 30-hour workweek with retained pay, lowered wages for politicians, expanded social housing, abolishing preschool-fees, making public transport free of charge, ending taxpayer funding of what it sees as wasteful sculptures, monuments and art and introducing free dental care. Nationally the party has set out large-scale remigration, closing the Swedish borders to immigration, a stricter assimilation policy and ending taxes on energy and fuel as some of its key issues.

Seems very sensible.

Making things easier (or cheaper) is the entire point of AI. If AI is great because it makes writing software easier (or cheaper), then AI is also terrible when it makes publishing slop easier (or cheaper).

Well prompt injection is pretty much unfixable. So if they actually saw this as a security vulnerability they would have to remove this feature.

#1 is as much a gamer's dream as Youtube shorts AI slop is a cinephile's dream.

What is this referencing?

I'd love to work for some company distilling frontier models. Seems like interesting work and screwing with OpenAI, Anthropic and Google would feel fantastic.

Was it 2016 when Geoff hinton said that radiology was a dead career?

Funny how the jobs most at risk of automation now are tech jobs.

Tech careers no longer exist. Tech jobs will still exist for a few years, but careers they will no longer be.

I have yet to hear a single convincing argument by a person that works in software why they can't be replaced.