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My message wasn't clear indeed.

A word may have different meaning depending on the usage: who, when, context... Formal language isn't the norm for better or for worse. I mostly agree with your two messages but also wanted to add a touch of pluralism: veganism origin and ideal has something to do with ethics by (more or less) avoiding unnecessary harm by avoiding animal exploitation but the goal and means to achieve it may differ.

The interpretation of "possible and practicable" you gave is aligned with my understanding but I can understand other people may include: - [as the article subject] the only food you can eat contains flesh, because you're detained in prison/stay at the hospital - The social pressure is too strong for you to possibly cope with it - Avoiding to use any toiletry that contains carmine, collagen or glycerin may be a hassle when one is away in holiday or work

Also, some people consider excluding bivalves from the list keep intact the goal of harm avoidance.

The cursor is subjective. I can grasp how someone may define themselves vegan and for whatever reason consume some animal products. However debating of the definition itself does not serve the shared cause of animal condition consideration. Instead it is far more effective to focus on shifting the laws (see the article) and bringing the questions/solutions to the public debate, which would solve most of the social pressure. Let's team up for 90% of the animal cause together and when it will be acquired we'll discuss the last 10%.

To end this message, I wish you a pleasant day and share with you a conference I had the chance to assit 2 days ago, I think it's very pertinent - but also in french, I hope the auto-translation are good. It's called "Do vegans harm the animal cause?" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLCRdLa99DE

Here's the definition from the guys behind the word "veganism":

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

The short definition you're talking about is abridged for time saving, it miss the essence ["for the benefit of..."] and the necessary feasibility adaptations ["as far as is possible and practicable"].

Ripes bananas makes the best cakes or pancakes ! I got your point though.

The competition is worse with the actual situation : cows are herbivore, pig are omnivores but fed plant-only. Chicken and fishes aren’t relevant for Alpha-gal syndrome but they’re also mostly fed by plants (and other fishes) anyway.

It may be counter intuitive at first but a vegetal diet needs less plants in total than an omnivore one.

You got it right: around ~70 billion land animals in 2013, 1-2.7 trillion fishes [0] and 25 trillion shrimps [1]

But can you compare: - a fish that lived 1 year wild then died by pressure or asphyxia in a net during 15 minutes - a chicken that lived 40 days in a cage

Instead of raw count, the Welfare Footprint Institute [2] propose a framework:

quantify animal welfare by systematically measuring animals’ affective experiences—specifically, the intensity and duration of their negative (painful) and positive (pleasurable) states […]

0 https://considerveganism.com/counter/

1 https://rethinkpriorities.org/research-area/shrimp-the-anima...

2 https://welfarefootprint.org/analytical-approach/

Just in case you didn’t notice: open.space seems inaccessible at the moment and the error page points to https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/troubleshooting/ht...

Tangentially www.openspace.ai also exists.

Alternatives exists: CO2 is particularly distressing and painful but Nitrogen or Helium instead would be imperceptible by the animals (hypoxia), just like some assisted suicide in the Swiss Confederation.

Related in neighbor countries:

- British Government reopens CO2 plant 'to sustain animal slaughter' despite calls for phase out https://theecologist.org/2026/may/15/pig-gas-slaughter-backe...

- French judicial precedent holds that publishing videos from farms unlawfully interferes with the owner's peaceful enjoyment of their property, even when they expose alleged animal welfare violations https://www.courdecassation.fr/en/decision/668e2422fcf93851f...

Of course, mopeds only runs on the vestibule, then lucifer and its friends wait on bigger and noiser bikes.

Also, buried in the article:

Substituting eggs for nuts/seeds or legumes in the diet was associated with a similarly reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease.

grocery store soymilk is quite different

Here in Europe we can fin the single ingredients soy milk if you look down the shelf: the cheapest brand and groceries have no additives while the fanciest ones are full of thickeners and various sugars. I recommend the store’ brand from Carrefour, Lidl and Leclerc.

My old iPhone handles well react apps, but frequently freeze/crash on heavy advertised pages and pages with huge images/auto loading videos.

To be strict with taste and tradition, yes. However taste and texture can be approached with other ingredients to recreate the egg composition : after all cooking (and especially baking) is a chemist soup.

   - protein: tofu, gluten, plants protein extract, lentils, chickpeas, beans, chia seeds, mixed squash seeds...
   - lipid: various vegetable oils
   - sulphurous aroma: Kala namak salt, also very popular for vegan scrambled eggs

The tool OP developed is precisely perfect for this king of calcul. However sometimes alternatives aren't based on the exact micro and macro reproduction but on the final result: banana is great for vegan pancakes but lacks protein. It's probably it's starch and fibers that help getting the texture right.

There’s many brand and formula of those butter. For more predictability, raw ingredients might be coco oil, coco butter or Shea butter.

By the way my favorite pancakes are made with tofu and/or silken tofu.

There’s a study demonstrating life expectancy of 3+ years for bicycle Paris commuters (2+ for public transport) compared to cars. They didn’t evaluate motorbike.

The effect on physical and psychic health largely outweighs (sometimes to x30) the risk of accidents and pollution disease.

(2012, french) https://www.ors-idf.org/nos-travaux/publications/les-benefic...

I don't know much about creatine, how's that supposed to help change one's life ? Is it from your experience ? A quick search learned me it helps for physical activities of the explosive type.

edit: I saw your other comment, if you want to give more information that would be helpful, thanks. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48346947#48347768

Have you ever tried on snow ? Many bikers roams winter Finland and Russia without studded tires.

Avoiding the ice is a great advice indeed, with or without those tires.

These tips [...] are not for building relationships

These tips gots me friends and girlfriends, one of her lasted 11years and still counting. Before reading it I'd describe myself 95% asocial + 5% weirdly social, with mostly no relationships.

These book really deeply changed me and oh boy I'm far from a salesman.

Your mom and robotic salesman obviously aren't good exemple to follow and that's a great start you noticed it. Get courage, one week of reading and I promise you you'll be changed, my friend.

OP seems to talk about smell sensor (as camera and microphones), not sentences (as paint and guitar)

Perhaps OP is tall and big then he'll probably handle the volume. It's best to divert anyway but if one want to max out your intake with a single ingredient, Tempeh is the way to go: 15-20gr/100g. I'm a skinny guy and can eat 500gr of those in the day with ease, although it's also full of fibers and level up satiety as soon as you start digesting.

But if cheakpeas your only food source, 7/8 seems achievable. Ask the "carnivorses" that says plant left them hungry :-p

Fair enough. I see your point on the limits of interpretation and how any philosophie ends up being somewhat arbitrary.

You still choose a frame (eg: "killing any animal is wrong"), then show that frame is irrational and deduct that the while group is wrong. Classical strawmaning, although I'm sure that's not your intent. "Animals needing to die" as a practical truth is not a problem for vegans, you're arguing alone here. However many people thinks suffering is not desirable and act accordingly to minimise it. You're free to critic though.

I understand better your second explication: there's not more absolute anti-specism than absolute freedom of speech. I find more interesting the "All models are wrong, but some are useful" perspective as it helps interacting with the world, but in a theorical land you're probably right.

If you haven't read it and want to learn more, a good one is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_(book)

Ethic is the leading reason for the vegan lifestyle [0]. It's also well known [1] that a plant-based diet is effective with colorectal cancer (+9%):

The random-effects model demonstrated a significant inverse association between plant-based dietary patterns and CRC risk (hazard ratio [HR], 0.91 [95% CI, 0.85–0.97])

But as you guessed it varies between healthy and un-heatly diets:

This protective association was strengthened when the definition of plant based patterns specifically emphasized the inclusion of healthy plant foods

However those un-healty foods are not restricted to plant-based meal (evidence: any supermarket shelf or snack restaurant), and lentils, tofu or seeds are as much -or more- likely to be found in a long term vegan dish than an impossible burger. As you noted it's "Not just vegan brands, but overall". For the mayo I recommend tahini instead (way more tasty) or just olive oil but if you really need it:

  - ~2/3 sunflower oil
  - ~1/3 soy milk (with no additive ;-) )
  - a bit of citrus juice
  - a pinch of salt
  
  -> Blend high speed to emulsify
  -> For a thicker texture you may use some silken tofu

1 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1091255X2...

Regarding antispeciesism you're conflating two different concepts (although you may have you own opinion):

   1. antispeciesism = rejecting discrimination based solely on species membership.
   2. all living beings having exactly the same moral value.

And the “insects die for carrots” point is not really a problem specific to veganism, since animal agriculture typically requires even more crops, land use, and indirect animal deaths. Also there's vegans that are speciesists and anti-speciesists that aren't vegan. Those concepts intersects but are not strictly equal.

I'm not sure to understand your other points but strongly agree communication helps to grow ethics and gain empathy. However it's not absolutely required as seen with the exemples of comas, mute, newborn, or as you mentioned someone of a different culture or language. I hardly understand how is it "impossible for [the dogs] to make their preferences known" especially in the situation of being slapped. Perhaps I missed you point because that contradict all my interaction with dogs and gods's owners.

What do you mean by "appetite of a 10yo” ? 10yo that are 75% vegan are not rare and the appetite comes with habits. Changing is far easier for a 10yo than a 75yo.

Why "cook”? In a hurry I grab a can of bean, a carrot, a branch of celery, some rye bred and a square of tofu. No prep or tooling except a spoon for the beans.

Something hot at the snack? Grab a veggie pad thaï, veggie pizza, veggie burger (with actual veggies), daal with veggies…

Until we can speak with animals

One can probably can have a better communication with, say a dog, than a sever autist or someone in the state of deep coma.

We don’t apply our ethics based on the communication (or same-language ability) but instead on an arbitrary selection. That selection evolved recently to includes a wider set of humans (anti-racism and feminism). Antispecism is an interesting view as it state a the specie itself (humans /dogs/caw/cat/chicken…) isn’t a valid denominator to define what is ethic what isn’t.

unprocessed wheat either

Bulgur is a staple in many regions. It's a groat so technically slightly precessed but many consider it whole.

Tempeh (the cousin of natto) is delicious too and can be used in a variety of recipes from grilled to stew to ice creams.

AFAIK the first occurence of that expression is from Katy Perry in 2018: https://youtu.be/tWbLkXhGEmo?si=EGtXdwHneXGQRWbP&t=153

Non-meat MRE are already tastier that meat ones (see also [0]):

Not only did they replace military mystery MRE meat with something more appealing to eat out of an envelope, but they were actually tasty

They seems to take the processing route indeed, which is usually more appreciated if you only account for taste: most people prefer cakes than wholemeal wheat.

Gel/semi-solid formats, dry powder mixes, [and] sauce-style components [...] gel packs stuffed with fermented mushroom protein and other nutrients

However that's a preparation choice and not a (high-prot plant-based) necessity: - tempeh is already delicious and nutritive with two steps: cook + ferment - patties can be made with whole seeds like hemp or pumpkin - brewer yeast is cheap, tasty and it's just the leftover of the beer creation process.

Moreover I doubt meat-based MRE contains only meat: lack of fibers would lead to constipation which is not great on the battelfield.

0 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48119293

That's right. Related quote:

The four or so vegetarian options in the overall MRE lineup were always the first to go when I was in.

Most weren’t choosing the veggie MREs for alignment with their personal ethics so much as that they wanted a meal that didn’t suck.

Your screen is 320 by 568 pixels, rendered at 2x density — which means it is almost certainly a recent, high-end display.

It’s been a long time my 2016’ iPhone as been called recent or high-end but I’ll take the compliment, thank-you.