Ask YC: What tools are you using to monitor a site's load?

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by darius • 19 years ago

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I'd like to know this too.

Rock Solid Arcade I suspect at many points is outgrowing my cacheless hit the database on every page setup. I started out with a cron job monitoring top every minute, and many times the usage hits 50% - I'm using Django, so the GIL means that's at full capacity, but I have no idea how instantaneous that figure is.

I got some helpful advice on the Django chat room to monitor Apache, but really what I'd like is for some warning to be dumped to a log if a connection queue backs up for more than a second (i.e. the server is at full capacity). That'll be time to cache/upgrade. :)

dazzawazza• 19 years ago

I've just started testing nagios http://www.nagios.org/.

It looks like complete overkill for a single server and I don't know how useful it is but it does look promising. It certainly looks like it would scale to tens if not hundreds of machines easily.

It includes an alert structure so different events triggers different actions. For example if the database stops responding email the DBA, if it's a router email the network admin etc.

Again I can't vouch for it over the long term as it's only been a week or so of testing but I can't complain atm.

It's a PITA field to research and I'm trying to avoid the 'roll my own' urges as I'd quite like to write it ;)

Anyone else got any ideas? There is a python based monitoring application out there somewhere that I stumbled upon about 6 months ago with a great plugin API and neato graphs but I can't find it again :( I blame google and not my incompetence :)

dcurtis• 19 years ago

Wow, the screenshots for Nagios are in Netscape 4.7.

Ahh, the days.

apathy• 19 years ago

Nagios is excellent once you get comfortable with it. People have written check scripts for all sorts of bizarre hardware, interfaces (RS-232 polling, X10, etc.), and so forth. You can turn the babysitting proactive by writing event scripts, eg. when a MySQL slave goes out of sync or memcached wedges, the event handler notices, kicks it, and if it doesn't recover after a few tries, THEN you get a page. Obviously you need to be careful about what you put in an event handler, but used judiciously, they're great.

Cacti, ganglia, and so forth are useful adjuncts for routers, clusters, and the like. But Nagios is a time-tested warhorse with a lot of community support. It's ugly but it works and works well.

PXE + cfengine + nagios can be pulled together for Real Ultimate Power, or at least a simulacrum of what goes on at places like Google (whose scripts are custom Python monstrosities for the most part, but the functionality is pretty similar, with several levels and types of babysitter systems funneling into a more proactive statistical resource allocation type of analysis framework since the scale is so vast; at least that's the track that development was on when I left, and Urs is still in charge so I doubt it's swerved much).

See here for an article on adaptive state monitoring: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/05/25/self-healing-n... with Nagios and Cfengine. Add something like PXE reimaging of dead nodes to the mix and you cut down workloads by an order of magnitude on large installations.

If you are a sysadmin and haven't experimented with self-healing systems, you should fix that gap in your skill set. If you have a sysadmin who can't or won't, fire him.

jbyers2• 19 years ago

If you're starting from scratch, consider puppet (http://www.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/) as a cfengine replacement. cfengine is solid, but unless you've already mastered it, I think you'll find puppet is at least as capable and a lot more intuitive.

staunch• 19 years ago

Cacti with SNMP is a very good single app solution to keeping an eye on server health trends.

http://cacti.net/screenshots.php

Smokeping is quite useful for monitoring network and basic http request response times.

http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/

Nagios is good for actively monitoring services and alerting you when things go wrong.

I generally use those and create tons of additional monitoring tools that generate reports/charts.

davidw• 19 years ago

I used nagios at the last place I worked with a number of servers, and I was pretty happy with it, although I could very easily imagine something better.

lemuel• 19 years ago

nagios scales, and is eazy. You can also write scripts so that if you daemon/application dies, it will be restarted.

jbyers2• 19 years ago

Consider collectd (http://collectd.org/). Unlike a lot of the usual suspects, collectd is a daemon that records the usual server health stats every 10 seconds into rrd files. After running it for two years on a few dozen systems, it's never failed or caused undue load on its own. We often see events that would have gone completely unnoticed in a 5-minute monitoring window.

patrickg-zill• 19 years ago

Are you talking about site load or server load?

If you want to measure the load on a server, look into the sar utility, which is included in Linux and all other Unix'es. It will take snapshots of data at 10 minute intervals and store them. Other tools will take that data and turn it into a bar graph or other visualization.

brooksbp• 19 years ago

Google Analytics

I believe using anything relatively more intensive is not worth the cycles. Even 'top' is taxing at times.

8plot• 19 years ago

I like munin better than nagios: http://munin.projects.linpro.no/

darius• 19 years ago

Thanks everybody. I appreciate all the good links. I'll go experiment a bit with them.

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