FreeBSD 10.1 released

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2014-November/001603.html

by tachion • 12 years ago

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emaste2• 12 years ago

The actual release announcement itself is here: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2014-No...

dang• 12 years ago

I guess that's a slightly more canonical article, so we changed the url to that from https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/relnotes.html.

edwintorok2• 12 years ago

And the announcement were the GnuPG signature actually verifies is here: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/announce.asc. (linked from https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/announce.html) Maybe the announcement itself should include a link to the URL considered canonical by the project itself to avoid confusion :)

giancarlostoro• 12 years ago

I always wanted to try FreeBSD, but during install, after I picked the software I wanted it would ask me for disk 10, then disk 7, then disk 5... I proceeded to giving up and installing Slackware instead (this was back in 2007 when I was new to Linux). I hope they've fixed this since, or maybe I did something wrong, who knows? Oh well...

elektronjunge• 12 years ago

You can install from a flash drive or single dvd. They've been working fairly heavily on the install process in versions 9 and 10.

EDIT:

I thought about this more after submitting. The many disks are likely for seeding the ports tree. If you have an internet connection available or opt to not install the ports tree you can install off much smaller media.

Zancarius4• 12 years ago

I don't think the ports tree is quite that big, at least when it's compressed (presently ~220ish megs for FreeBSD 10 as a tgz), because ports only contain Makefiles and descriptive metadata.

It used to be the case, I think, that the extra disc images were for installing applications outside the base distributions and the likes as they themselves contained a snapshot of some of the binary archives for a given release. I don't know for sure, though, because I always used ports (which is better and obviously more up to date).

rootbear• 12 years ago

I plan to try out PC-BSD (which is basically FreeBSD with all the desktop GUI stuff set up for you) when they get their 10.1 version out. I've been told by actual FreeBSD folks that it's the least painful way to get into FreeBSD.

Zancarius4• 12 years ago

I suspect you probably selected CDROM at the time as your software source, which can be confounding for new users. The best solution in this case is to either install binary packages via selecting FTP as your source or (better) via ports. Also, I generally avoid installing extra software outside the base packages until after the system is installed, as this was a problem that could crop up when installing earlier versions (not really a problem per se as much as if it's something you weren't familiar with, it may do unexpected things).

If you install some of the tools in ports-mgmt (portupgrade, for instance, which includes portinstall), you can make the ports collection far easier to manage and use, and it might be more approachable for new users. Not that it's difficult to do a make && make install from the port you want.

I haven't touched FreeBSD in years, so I'd imagine the installer is a bit more forgiving now. That said, my experience with the ports collection was what lead me to select Gentoo for my Linux preferences (later, and more presently, Arch). But, I have very fond memories of using ports, and I think everyone has their preferred methods. The trick is to neither give in or give up and play around with it until you're familiar and have picked tools you're comfortable with (this holds true for almost anything)! I'd suggest giving it another shot.

Edit: I lied. Apparently I have a FreeBSD 10 vm, so it hasn't been years. I don't remember the new installation procedure at all, sadly.

jrapdx32• 12 years ago

I have FBSD 10.x running in VM and production, and I'd agree it's probably best to install the OS first before trying to add applications. In my experience following this policy leaves fewer ways for things to get screwed up.

Re: the ports collection, as a former Gentoo/Funtoo user I felt as you describe. But I think the current FBSD package system is better. Unless there's a special use case, it's generally quite satisfactory and a whole lot easier to download and install apps using the "pkg" utility, rather than messing with ports at all.

IMO the FBSD developers have been doing a terrific job of making the OS better without making it tons harder to administer. There's still a learning curve for sure (e.g., ZFS) but it's not insurmountable.

seliopou• 12 years ago

That's funny, I had the exact opposite experience. Back in 2002-ish I was trying to install Slackware and LILO kept failing for some reason I couldn't understand. That turned me off to Linux distro. So I went looking for an alternative and came upon FreeBSD. For personal computer *NIX installations, I haven't looked back. Though of Linux dominated sever installations in the subsequent years, I think the tides are changing and will be using FreeBSD for my next project. Say hello to dtrace and zfs. Can't wait.

rhizome• 12 years ago

Just install base + src + ports and install everything you want afterwards. Much simpler.

qopp2• 12 years ago

  gpg: Signature made Fri Nov 14 11:08:36 2014 PST using RSA key ID 478FE293
  gpg: BAD signature from "Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>"

edwintorok2• 12 years ago

The mailist list software changed the announcement (for example 'gjb@' to 'gjb at'). The original one is here: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/announce.asc

josteink• 12 years ago

I see the release-notes mentions "initial" UEFI support, but FreeBSD usually seem pretty modest about things, so it's hard to tell what to expect.

Has anyone here tried it? If so, how mature would you consider it? Usuable, but with warts? Or completely fine?

I'm curious, but I don't want to nuke my server-box just yet :)

emaste2• 12 years ago

The main issues are:

  * Does not work with certain hardware / UEFI firmware implementations
    (due to bugs in either our implementation, or the firmware).
  * No support for UEFI nvram variables.
  * No integration or documentation for dual-boot configurations.

Basically, if you can boot the UEFI-enabled USB stick image, UEFI booting an installed FreeBSD should also work fine.

cperciva4• 12 years ago

Basically, if you can boot the UEFI-enabled USB stick image, UEFI booting an installed FreeBSD should also work fine.

I remember seeing a bug report about a system where the BIOS treated USB and non-USB disks differently resulting in one working and the other not. There's really no guarantees when you're dealing with broken BIOSes...

Lammy3• 12 years ago

I've tried it on my 2012 Retina MBP and hit a bug pretty much immediately that renders it unusable, and it unfortunately isn't fixed for the release: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=193745

Gracana• 12 years ago

The new console sounds pretty cool. Features include UTF8, double-width characters, and kernel modesetting.

dschiptsov• 12 years ago

If they would allow to set up a nice ttf font, like Source Code Pro via libfontconfig, like fbterm does I would fall in love immediately.)

ezequiel-garzon3• 12 years ago

Now that BIND has been removed from the base system [1], what DNS server is FreeBSD shipping with (if any)?

[1] https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/announce.html

octotoad• 12 years ago

Unbound is in now included in the base system as BIND's replacement.

ezequiel-garzon3• 12 years ago

Thanks!

X-Istence• 12 years ago

FreeBSD is not shipping any DNS servers, there is a recursive DNS resolver available in the way of unbound.

If you want a DNS server you may of course install one of your choosing from the pkg repository. I would recommend NSD if you are familiar with BIND.

ezequiel-garzon3• 12 years ago

Thanks, I guess I'm used to OpenBSD's model of including these major components in the base system.

farawayea9• 12 years ago

Will FreeBSD start making releases like 10.1.1? Ubuntu and Debian always provide updates to fix bugs, including kernel bugs.

Lammy3• 12 years ago

They already do that. Right now I'm running 10.0-RELEASE-p12. See the UPDATING file for the 10.0 branch for example: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/10.0/UPDATING?view=lo...

farawayea9• 12 years ago

Isn't that like a security patch?

mp3geek• 12 years ago

Any reason for the lack of DVB drivers in FBSD?

UNIXgod• 12 years ago

Has them. You caould watch your family home movies which you haven't uploaded to the cloud yet with mplayer and the dependencies that install when you compile it! It also has aalib and libcaca if your so inclined to geekout with seeing your flick directly in the terminal console.

~ Happy Hacking

Lammy3• 12 years ago

Many of them are supported by multimedia/webcamd, though the name is kind of unintuitive for it :p

_nickwhite2• 12 years ago

Does this release include systemd?

ducks

icantthinkofone2• 12 years ago

FreeBSD still follows the Unix philosophy and isn't trying to be Windows or a XBox.

_nickwhite2• 12 years ago

wow, sarcasm is really missed on this crowd!

arh68• 12 years ago

Wow. I remember reading about Hotmail servers running BSD back in the day, but not quite like this.

    FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE is also available on these cloud hosting platforms:
        - Amazon(R) EC2(TM) FreeBSD/amd64
        - Microsoft(R) Azure(TM) FreeBSD/amd64,  FreeBSD/i386

ams6110• 12 years ago

Well hotmail was not owned by Microsoft originally. The urban legend is that after they acquired it they had to keep running it on FreeBSD a lot longer than they wanted to because Windows was not up to the task at the time.

Edit: After a moment's thought... wasnt Hotmail originally running on Solaris or SunOS?

teh_klev2• 12 years ago

"Hotmail initially ran under Solaris for mail services and Apache on FreeBSD for web services, before being partly converted to Microsoft products, using Windows Services for UNIX in the migration path."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook.com#Launch_of_Hotmail

teh_klev2• 12 years ago

I must give FreeBSD another spin. The last time I used it in anger was circa 2000 (4.0) to build a route collector for a small internet exchange point using GNU Zebra [0].

[0] https://www.gnu.org/software/zebra/

UglyFont• 12 years ago

Fonts are still looking extremely ugly after install. How can I get clean fonts for typographic work?

gdwatson• 12 years ago

You don't give a lot of detail to work with, but my best stab in the dark is that in X by default the font renderer will sometimes use bitmap fonts (and stretch them) when what you really want are vector fonts. You can edit fonts.conf to avoid this, if you like. (Unfortunately, I'm booted into Windows at the moment so I can't copy and paste my configuration.)

Or perhaps you've got something else going on entirely. It's hard to say from your post.

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