IE7 users, we need to talk…

http://www.nursingjobs.us/blog/ie7-users-we-need-to-talk/

by trothamel • 12 years ago

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scrabble• 12 years ago

Supporting IE7 is the worst part of my day job. I end up building new modules in Firefox, making sure they look the same in Chrome, then testing IE7.

Then I have to fix all the stuff broken in IE7 and ensure it still looks good on the modern browsers.

My ultimate goal though is for it to be presentable in IE7 with a top notch experience in anything newer, makes it a little easier.

knassy• 12 years ago

My ultimate goal though is for it to be presentable in IE7 with a top notch experience in anything newer, makes it a little easier.

I think that's the exact right attitude.

I work in an environment that supports back to IE7 and I really get a kick out of creating robust solutions that work in crappy or older browsers.

Admittedly I work with web sites, or simple applications, rather than full on web applications, but I find starting with sensible HTML/CSS/JS and using progressive enhancement usually gets me 95% of the way there.

protocow• 12 years ago

Well done. But many IE7 and IE8 users aren't by choice. They are employees at large companies with no ability to upgrade their corporate computers.

SDGT• 12 years ago

One might ask why they're looking for nursing jobs at work then.

skywhopper• 12 years ago

Probably because they're at a job so crappy that their employer forces them to use IE7.

thejosh• 12 years ago

People even use their current work emails for job applications.

taspeotis5• 12 years ago

One might ask how those job offers end up on the site. Other unemployed nurses, or hospitals?

vinceguidry2• 12 years ago

Maybe they don't have computers at home.

trothamel• 12 years ago

From what I understand, there's a reasonably large market for temporary nurses, for times when a hospital is understaffed. I suspect it's acceptable to look for a new gig before your current one ends.

Edit: It also looks like hospitals, not nurses, are the actual customers.

veesahni• 12 years ago

Do these corporations not have security issues with these old browsers?

vinceguidry2• 12 years ago

You're assuming corporations take security seriously.

singold• 12 years ago

Yes they have.

I work on one of those (I'm the webmaster), they didn't wanted to get me firefox or chrome, because of 'security issues'...

goldenkey• 12 years ago

The newer browsers actually come with a lot of feature-induced security problems too. Microsoft continues to release security updates for IE7 so it might be better to use than a newer version of IE that could have HTML5 exploits.

iNate2000• 12 years ago

True enough - but it sounds like the site making the offer is a job-board.

taspeotis5• 12 years ago

And hospitals post job offers for nurses from their fleet of home PCs, right?

malandrew• 12 years ago

I'm surprised no one has yet created a database where people can anonymously submit ranges of IPs where a lot of users are on IE7 and other older browsers. This would paint a big ol' bullseye on those organizations since it highlights them as easy targets for exploits that target older browsers.

hrktb2• 12 years ago

You can take it from the other end. These employees are locked on IE7/8 because there's not enough external forces to make it a business issue. When they won't be able to use critical resources because of their browser or OS, the upgrade will just happen, how painful and costly it will be (as long as it's less costly than not accessing the said resources)

pekk• 12 years ago

If this were python, people would be arguing that IE8 does nothing new and maybe we should fork IE7 and continue using that forever

chrismorgan2• 12 years ago

Cannot all IE7 users upgrade to IE8?

yuhong4• 12 years ago

I think the only exceptions are Server 2003 SP1 and IA-64 versions of Windows, none of which are common.

Already__Taken• 12 years ago

Well that's fine as no one should be browsing the web on one of those.

ajpos• 12 years ago

I work for a F500 and we cannot upgrade to 8. We have antiquated web platforms that don't work without it. It sucks. A lot.

pbhjpbhj2• 12 years ago

Doesn't MSIE8 have a MSIE7 compatability mode that basically runs the IE7 rendering engine in a wrapper (like IE tab).

Can't you use MSIE7 on the internal system and have a recent browser for web access?

ta_tatata3• 12 years ago

You can but you don't by choice.

josteink• 12 years ago

I really don't get this mentality, at all.

Shouldn't at some point the cost of all websites in the world being broken on your corporate machines be a bigger problem than having to do some work on some antiquated LOB app you've considered rewriting anyway the last 5 years?

Do these weirdo F500 still demand railroads to operate steam-trains for them, since that was the last thing they read about last time they received a telegram?

In what world do these people live where perpetually staying in the past is not a problem?

hmahncke• 12 years ago

Not if it's your corporate desktop.

crisnoble5• 12 years ago

And your company has an IT department that thinks IE7 is more secure somehow, or you have some proprietary enterprise software that takes advantage of the quirks of IE7 and breaks without them.

chrismorgan2• 12 years ago

And in that case, you won't be able to replace your computer in this way.

taspeotis5• 12 years ago

We are offering to buy a new computer with a modern browser for any of our customers who are stuck with IE7

Great PR, since practically no-one is going to take them up on the offer. If you're on IE7 you're probably on it because MegaCorp's Intranet Application '02 Enterprise Edition doesn't work on anything else. Meaning the new computer will break their LOB application.

It's also possible it won't cost them any money in the long run, if their definition of "customer" is limited to the people posting jobs [1].

[1] http://www.nursingjobs.us/employers/pricing/

valarauca1• 12 years ago

The other option is they are elderly or just don't care. They have that E-Machines Pentium 3 future proof 256MB of RAM Windows98 computer and they'll use it until they die, because shouldn't everything that costs over $1,000 dollars last for 20-30 years?

crisnoble5• 12 years ago

Yes, just like your car will last you 20 years. If you drive a car from 1994 you don't expect to be able to drive 90 mph or offroad without running into major issues. Should cities keep their infrastructure backwards compatible for people with old cars?

gburnett• 12 years ago

In the case of elderly users I don't think that many of them could even identify the browser that they use without prompting from others.

stephen_g• 12 years ago

"If you're on IE7 you're probably on it because MegaCorp's Intranet Application '02 Enterprise Edition doesn't work on anything else."

This is what virtual machines are for...

barake• 12 years ago

Try teaching the HR officer who is afraid of the maximize button to use a VM. Even Windows 7 XP mode is scary - the chrome is different.

shearnie• 12 years ago

I wonder if there'll be a rush for IE10 compliancy when Windows XP support comes to an end like COBOL systems needed Y2K compliancy leading up to 2000?

polskibus• 12 years ago

IE8 has compatibility mode that will work just fine will all those "designed for IE6" pages. Same for IE9. In IE10 and 11 I found the compatibility mode to be less accurate in mimicking oldIE.

lotsofcows2• 12 years ago

I assumed the whole point of the offer was that they'd be able to run both computers. The old works-with-our-"enterprise"-software computer is kept alongside the new web-browsing computer.

ben3362• 12 years ago

Thats not really how enterprise computing policies work :) If its not centrally administrated, its probably not allowed. At least in the type of environment where people are still on IE7.

cnp• 12 years ago

I'm surprised you didn't just go with IE9 as the cutoff? Why?

taspeotis5• 12 years ago

I was saddled with supporting IE8 for a while because our biggest customer (of one of our products) was using it. They made up ~4% of traffic before they finally moved to Win7+IE11.

Money talks.

vyrotek• 12 years ago

You're lucky. One of our largest corporate customers upgraded to Win 7 and then DOWNGRADED to IE 8.

ForHackernews• 12 years ago

Windows XP only runs IE8.

sfeng2• 12 years ago

and Chrome, Safari, Firefox and Opera.

ocfx3• 12 years ago

That's in 6 months when they need some PR again.

soup10• 12 years ago

1.22% of your users is probably like 1 person lol. Gj gaming hacker news to reach the many nurses that visit here.

sfeng2• 12 years ago

You think they only have 82 users?

pikachu_is_cool2• 12 years ago

No, he thinks that they only have 81.9672131148 users, you idiot. Read the post next time.

robzyb• 12 years ago

1.22% of measured internet users use IE7.

The percentage of their customers that use IE7 could be very different.

jameshart• 12 years ago

You're right, nursing jobs sites must be so niche they hardly get any traffic. The healthcare industry in the US is tiny, I mean, it's only, what, 16% of the entire US economy? I mean the total expenditure on hospital care in the entire country is only $380 billion or so a year, and employs only about 2.6 million nurses. That's just 1.8% of the US working population. And it's not like nursing is disproportionately dominated by short term contracts, or the provider market that employs them massively fragmented meaning that almost every six to twelve months a career nurse will be jobhunting... yes, 87 nurses looking for jobs, 1 of whom is using IE7, sounds like a perfectly reasonable estimate for the amount of traffic this site with a page 1 google ranking for a search for "nursing jobs" probably gets.

pikachu_is_cool2• 12 years ago

this site with a page 1 google ranking for a search for "nursing jobs"

INCORRECT! The #1 ranked page is in fact nursingjobs.org. The website in the OP is ranked #7.

Edit: I'm an idiot.

kordless• 12 years ago

Working in infrastructure, this is much less of a worry for your users. We ran the metrics on it.

NamTaf2• 12 years ago

Related: Kogan (an electronics vendor here in AU) has an IE7 tax on all of their products to pay for the upkeep required to develop supporting IE7. This follows the succesful implementation of an IE6 tax some years ago.

http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/new-internet-explorer-7-tax/

aaronem2• 12 years ago

It's an interesting idea, I suppose, if a bit smug; I've always found it sufficient just to pop up a note saying something along the lines of "Look, I'm sure you have a good reason for using IE 7, and I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't. But it's no longer reasonably possible to test in that version of the browser, and I therefore can't warrant everything on this site will work properly in it; I don't particularly expect problems, but you should know they might happen, and if they do, there's not a lot of help I can offer beyond suggesting you instead use a newer version of IE, or an alternate browser like Firefox, Safari, or Chrome, all of which I have tested and can warrant." We're all adults here, after all, even when "we" is mostly composed of triathletes, who are wonderful, athletic people and often not completely barking mad, and I've found this approach to produce quite good results and only a modicum of whining.

As for Kogan, their site seems anxious that I should know someone bought an SD card a minute ago in some antipodean town I've never heard of. I can't think why.

Oh, and someone else just bought a camera battery. It's interesting to see this sort of thing pop up, to be sure, but why would anyone bother? Does it help conversion rate? Mainly it just seems like an annoying distraction from the blog post I'm trying to read.

NamTaf2• 12 years ago

I've no idea; I've never actually purchased any Kogan product. It nevertheless made news when they released the tax and they repeated the process so I guess it worked out for them?

(The lesson here is that many people will probably just blindly pay whatever the final cost is without checking the itemised receipt and why it costs what it does)

deevus• 12 years ago

I did a job recently where a legacy site needed to be upgraded to support mobile and tablets. After all the work was done I was informed that the site didn't work in ie6 (the default browser on their work machines) [1]

Luckily firefox was installed on their machines as well.

There was no way I was going back to fix it for ie6 on the budget I was allocated.

[1]: This constraint was never mentioned in initial talks. Fortunately it wasn't a massive deal in the end.

DrStalker• 12 years ago

I've found asking up front what level of IE6 support was needed and then listing it as a separate line item in a quote is a good way to get out of supporting it, or at least move from "must be pixel perfect!" to "the main functionality has to work"

microcolonel• 12 years ago

Just to clear up your confusion guys.

Their clients are, as far as I can tell, the hospitals posting the jobs. Other users are mostly accessing the site on home computers, where they can almost certainly install some other browser which isn't as broken.

While in general a hospital may not have computers for this, their hiring manager is likely to be able to take an extra machine onto the network.

baldajan• 12 years ago

Brings up an interesting point: cost of buying every customer with IE 7 a new computer < cost of adapting to IE 7 - assuming it's true after all.

Personally, I wouldn't have done an offer like that, as I would see no point in it (other than PR); but then again, I take a ruthless approach to upgrades

craigching2• 12 years ago

So you upgrade their computers and ... they're stuck with IE8! :p

In all seriousness, I think it's better and more cost effective to have them switch to a better browser (FF, Chrome and even IE11). There are a lot of Win7 companies that still insist on IE8 as their browser of choice and that costs a lot to support as well, speaking from experience.

Zancarius2• 12 years ago

I think the point is more for PR purposes and public awareness than it is to actually buy people new computers. If it is, it's a rather good tactic. It gets your attention, doesn't it? ;)

craigching2• 12 years ago

I think the point is more for PR purposes

Oh, believe me, I get that ... ;)

nlp• 12 years ago

Ok, so I download IE7, sign up on the site, get a new computer, and then go back to using Firefox.

kristopolous• 12 years ago

I think it would be better to find an existing user and execute the scheme - a registration date of "yesterday" and a post count of "1" probably wouldn't qualify you.

It reminds me of the MSFT settlement in the early 2000's where you could get a (I think) $100 check from Redmond. It was somehow "transferable" and a few of my friends bought people's right to redeem the check by doing things like giving out gift certificates or handing out free ice cream. (IANAL so excuse me if I didn't use the proper lingo there)

IIRC, I think they made in the tens of thousands.

dougmccune• 12 years ago

I've often received bug report screenshots or sat in watching a customer screenshare using our product in IE6 on literally a 800 x 600 screen. Each time it makes me cry inside and I debate just ordering them a new computer. That said, as others have pointed out here, almost nobody these days running IE 6/7/8 is doing so of their own free will, and any computer you send them can't be used for work.

crisnoble5• 12 years ago

I applaud them for moving the web a small step forward. Every minute saved by not worrying about IE7 is a minute that you can spend creating features for standards compliant browsers. As more sites drop support for older versions of IE, more employees will pressure their IT departments for updated browsers.

Maybe one day we will see nothing but evergreen browsers in the logs...

ddw• 12 years ago

I work for a fairly large org. Once I finished an internal app and sent out an email for some folks to check it out.

I soon received an email that the website was not working for someone. The screenshot showed that the browser they were using was Lotus Notes.

They were clicking on the link in their email and it was opening it in Lotus freaking Notes.

"Uh, no, we don't support that."

m_mueller• 12 years ago

Well - if you don't support that, set it by (NAB-) policy.

atesti2• 12 years ago

I had a report from the manager in another company who bought our hosted solution that everything was misaligend.

Turned out clicking a link from an email opened Netscape Navigator 4 for him! Normally he uses Internet Explorer if he clicks on Internet on his desktop

madaxe_again• 12 years ago

Yeah, we've got a client who still uses IE for Mac, and refuses to consider using Safari, or anything else, as his feeling is that the internet should conform to him and his browser, not the other way around.

pilif2• 12 years ago

IE7 users make up 1.22% of our traffic right now, and this will decline as more computers are upgraded and can use modern browsers.

No computer exists that is able to run IE7 but not IE8. And because IE7 came out way past the "optimized for IE" age, I doubt there is software around that requires 7 and doesn't work with 8.

This is in contrast to 6 which is what IE was stuck in for years, so software began depending on that.

If you could upgrade from 6 to 7, then you can upgrade from 7 to 8. Even more so considering that IE8 has an IE7 compatibility mode built in that can be enabled without having to touch the site itself (by setting the HTTP header in the server).

The same is true for local software embedding the IE control, but there you need to set some registry flag to do it.

There is no excuse for sticking with 7 and 8 is so much better to develop for. It's 2014. I would stop caring about 7. People still using 7 are used to sites not quite looking right anyways (as the majority of sites stopped caring) and in all likelyhood, they might not even notice the odd rendering glitch.

ralish• 12 years ago

IE7 shipped with Vista. I've seen a few organisations that started deploying Vista and updated their XP systems to IE7 so all their workstations are running the same IE version.

Admittedly, there aren't many of these companies given most gave Vista a miss in favour of 7 or something else entirely, but they do exist, and it is a plausible reason that IE7 is still around for some.

lmm• 12 years ago

IE8 in IE7-compatibility mode does not always render the same as IE7 - I know because it broke a site I worked on. So it's not that simple.

timje1• 12 years ago

Worse than that, IE8 in IE7 compatibility mode has some regression bugs that you won't have seen since IE5.

davedx• 12 years ago

I am pretty sure that these IE7 users (users of NursingJobs.us) are probably browsing from a hospital, where I know for a fact IT policies can be just as bad, if not worse, than at large corporations. I don't think the users have a choice here (besides using a different computer at the hospital or surfing from home).

iopq2• 12 years ago

Or, you know, opening the site in their phone.

Erwin• 12 years ago

Note that the compat mode may mean that you are miscounting IE8 users in IE7 compat mode as IE7 if you are doing a naive user-agent detection (I only mention it because I did and started blocking IE8 users!)

Both will emit "MSIE 7.0" in the user-agent, but IE8 will have Trident/4 while IE7 lacks any such token. MSIE 11 does away with "MSIE" in the user-agent altogether.

There's a X-UA-Compatible header (and meta variable) you can emit to ask for no compat checks.

felickz2• 12 years ago

IE11 in compatibility mode does indeed keep the MSIE value... here is mine:

User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/7.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)

jiggy2011• 12 years ago

My guess is either.

Super conservative IT department. Lots of users only need a handful of websites to do their job, as long as those work why bother changing anything?

Some 3rd party application which might work on IE8 but only "supports" IE7

People who turned off automatic updates years ago because they slowed their computer down.

csmithuk10• 12 years ago

Actually no, you are completely wrong. It might be a popular opinion but it's wrong.

Some facts:

1. Firstly, there are a couple of COM APIs that were broken with IE8 which mean that some horrible "intranet applications" that use ActiveX won't work with IE8 properly. They worked fine with IE6 and IE7. These are now no longer supported by the vendors with no upgrade path so people are stuck with IE7 whilst applications are rewritten or disposed of. This can take years. In fact I know a company that has taken 4 years to rewrite an ERP system away from this model. The compatibility flag deals with some rendering issues but it doesn't change the script engine or the ActiveX hosting situation.

2. No they can't install another browser side by side and just keep that for legacy. Chrome has a poor privacy and configuration support. The GPO side of it really is crappy. Firefox ESR is impossible to configure using GPO. Not only that users don't want to browser-juggle. Most of them don't actually give a shit about any of this as long as it works.

3. Also, IE7 was released in 2006. I personally maintain software that was written in 1988. People are very quick to hang software, particularly the non-engineering background trendy startup pushing culture. IE7 isn't going away until April 11, 2017.

To be fair, I'm recommending people away from the web and the cloud for business critical applications these days. The churn, culture and attitude (as your post outlines so readily) is very negative and a realistic 10 year cycle isn't possible any more. People need stuff to work undisturbed for years for their investment to be recouped.

Nilzor• 12 years ago

I can respect your advice in this context with regards to the cloud, but I'm not so sure about web technology in general, if by web you mean HTML5/JS/CSS3.

If you download Firefox 26 today along with your favourite OS and store it on a USB stick, you can restore it in 10 years an run the exact same web applications. That's not really technologically different from storing .NET Framework 4.0 or Java8 on USB stick, to ensure that you can run your that-other-compiled-LOB-program in 10 years. You may need an isolated virtual machine running, but you may need that for the other software as well. Anyone tried running a 16-bit VB6 app lately?

mjolk4• 12 years ago

These are now no longer supported by the vendors with no upgrade path so people are stuck with IE7 whilst applications are rewritten or disposed of...I know a company that has taken 4 years to rewrite an ERP system away from this model. The compatibility flag deals with some rendering issues but it doesn't change the script engine or the ActiveX hosting situation.

The company should light a fire under the ass of their vendor or development department if they're being forced to live with some very serious security risks.

I personally maintain software that was written in 1988.

Why are you supporting software that is a quarter of a century old? If it has undergone significant rewrites to work on those new-fangled color monitors, then you understand why things need to be upgraded.

People are very quick to hang software, particularly the non-engineering background trendy startup pushing culture. IE7 isn't going away until April 11, 2017.

What is "non-engineering background trendy startup pushing culture" supposed to mean? While HN has a charlatan element, you can't legitimately think that the startup culture here isn't dominated by engineers.

I'm recommending people away from the web and the cloud for business critical applications these days.

Do you also scream "la la la" while the tips of your fingers are lodged in your ears whenever in architecture meetings? A web browser is an ideal consumer (ubiquitous, cross-platform, cheap) of a large number of business applications and high availability demands writing software that's internet-aware (that feels so strange to even have to type).

The churn, culture and attitude (as your post outlines so readily) is very negative and a realistic 10 year cycle isn't possible any more.

It sounds like your perception of the industry is antiquated. A 10 year cycle without maintenance to keep the codebase secure/running on modern hardware/platforms?

al2o3cr2• 12 years ago

I fail to see how Microsoft's decision to not fix these proprietary APIs in future IE releases is somehow the fault of "the non-engineering background trendy startup pushing culture".

Your company bought into a single-vendor solution that was then (as is TYPICAL of said vendor) dropped like a rock. Tough.

PopsiclePete• 12 years ago

Your argument applies to anything that has been obsoleted. What about the poor bastards who can't afford a car and depend on a horse and buggy? The highways are too dangerous for them. What about those "long-term" planners who standardizes their IT infrastructure on Jazz drives? And the poor sods who think all new laptops are awful because of that one printer they bought in 1987 that needs a serial port?

IE7 and COM are fucking ancient. And they're both shitty technologies. COM, especially, is a sad, disgusting 1990's remnant of "guru"-level C++ shit-baggery that is the only technology I'm aware of where the boiler-plate code is 2x to 3x more than the actual code. I'm glad those are put on the back-burner by MS.

Unix is from 70's and it's fucking solid. You wrote C code in 1975, you could probably port it to Ubuntu Linux without too much effort. You "standardized" on "enterprise" (a hilarious word, btw) technologies like IE7 + ActiveX? You deserve all the pain that is being dished out to you.

The crying and stomping of feet that happened at my company after IT deprecated WinXP + IE6 was music to my ears.

The world doesn't need IE6. It doesn't need IE7. It doesn't need COM. What it needs is fewer "enterprise architect" types who read too much MSDN Magazine and develop brittle "solutions" based on ActiveX and sell them to unsuspecting victims.

ocfx3• 12 years ago

How is buying potentially thousands of computers for people cheaper than gracefully degrading features from a bootstrap site?

ta_tatata3• 12 years ago

You got it all wrong, it supposed to be "how offering to buy computers for 1% of our customers is cheaper and more advertising than actually buying an ads campaign ?"

ocfx3• 12 years ago

My bad :(

be5invis• 12 years ago

Beware Chinese.

They may browse your website using IE7 ON PURPOSE to get a new computer.

Kliment• 12 years ago

Do you really need to include racism in your obvious fraud warning?

andybak• 12 years ago

Yes and they are really likely to also have expensive subscriptions to a US magazine for nursing HR departments.

Idiot.

waitingkuo• 12 years ago

Is it possible to hold a foundation to help people upgrade from ie7?

simonsquiff• 12 years ago

We also make software for healthcare customers, and asked the same question re: IE7 support internally. Sadly our stats show that IE7 usage for our clients is at 59%! Down from a peak at 81% but still crazily high. We're hoping the April no support for XP deadline will change things but sadly IE7 is far from dead in UK healthcare.

kfk• 12 years ago

What about IE8-9-10? I mean, I don't care, but my website frontpage still looks wrong in IE10 and I didn't do anything fancy. The overlay doesn't work in IE<10. I mean, IE is a mess in general. I wouldn’t buy a PC to all that use this terrible piece of crap, but at least we can rant about it, no? I mean, they should have said: OK, we take the pain to STILL support this shitty IE, but please stop using IE7 we will buy you a PC if you do.

iopq2• 12 years ago

Anything before IE11 is not by any definition a modern browser.

sdaityari• 12 years ago

There are people (read professors) here who use IE 6 btw.

ta_tatata3• 12 years ago

This is a viral marketing scheme to get some free advertising.

Seeing this kind of viral marketing advertising on hacker news frontpage is sad, this one is not even clever, it's mostly throwing a pile of money towards microsoft.

chris_wot• 12 years ago

"Wayne Gretzky once said “skate where the puck is going, not where it’s been”"

No, no he did not. Steve Jobs said that Wayne Gretzky said "skate where the puck is going, not where it's been". However, I'm sure one day Wayne Gretzky will quote Steve Jobs saying that he once said that you must skate to where the puck is going, not where it's been. That day will be quite awesome.

On that note, what happens when the puck goes past its original position, as inevitably happens in a game of hockey? What does Wayne Gretzky do then? Ignore it?

louthy• 12 years ago

while(true);

mendelk• 12 years ago

'[Wayne Gretzky's father] Walter taught Wayne, Keith, Brent, Glen and their friends hockey on a rink he made in the back yard of the family home, nicknamed the "Wally Coliseum". Drills included skating around Javex bleach bottles and tin cans, and flipping pucks over scattered hockey sticks to be able to pick up the puck again in full flight. Additionally, Walter gave the advice to "skate where the puck's going, not where it's been"'[0]

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Gretzky

Angostura• 12 years ago

Ponders:

So I can sign up now, to receive my free PC?

mosiac• 12 years ago

And you think this is the right place to find them :P

ck2• 12 years ago

1.22% of your users are bots with an old user-agent

throw7• 12 years ago

If we as software engineers really cared, a page like that would never exist.

TheCoelacanth• 12 years ago

I disagree. Engineering is all about choosing tradeoffs. Freeways aren't built with a slow lane to support horse and buggy users, because that would be an irresponsible use of resources. For most sites, supporting IE7 would be a complete waste of money.

arsemouflon• 12 years ago

Where can I download IE7?

Scottopherson• 12 years ago

https://github.com/xdissent/ievms

jonaldomo• 12 years ago

I work for a large EMR provider. You would be sick by the IE7 traffic at large hospital systems. Think 20%+. The reason is hospitals spend millions of a dollar for one solution. The solution is usually monolithic and takes years to implement.

_piyush• 12 years ago

I hope it does not turn out to be opposite of what they intended : people starting to use IE7 just to get a new computer. It is called the Cobra Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect)

rjuyal• 12 years ago

Now, where can I buy old PC with IE7. ;)

IE7 users, we need to talk…

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