Notch, WebGL, Dart, and ramping up quickly

http://blog.tojicode.com/2013/12/notch-webgl-dart-and-ramping-up-quickly.html

by slackpad • 13 years ago

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HeyChinaski3• 13 years ago

Now I feel bad for slowing up my current pet project by getting bogged down writing polygon collision detection when axis aligned bounding boxes would have done for prototyping. (I'm not as quick as Notch!)

xhrpost• 13 years ago

Interesting. I've recently set aside a ThreeJS project. I'm not a math wiz but even with Three, you still need some idea about matricies, vectors and even quaternions. The way you're "supposed" to do collision detection with Three is with raycasting, so more fun with vectors and matricies. I thought I had scaled down enough other things for prototyping but perhaps there was more room than what I thought.

daredevildave• 13 years ago

You might want to take a look at our product, PlayCanvas. We've tried to do all the maths for you, so you don't have to. :-)

VikingCoder• 13 years ago

To be fair, Notch did just spend a few years of his life thinking entirely in terms of axis-aligned boxes. ;-)

Djehngo• 13 years ago

My understanding is that usually you want both because AABB is good for broad-phase because it's so quick then true polygon collision can be done in a narrow phase.

HeyChinaski3• 13 years ago

Absolutely.

bluedino• 13 years ago

> (I'm not as quick as Notch!)

You probably haven't been writing games as long, or written as many, or entered as many game contests/competitions as he has.

It'd probably take him a while to write a database or word processor since he likely doesn't have the domain knowledge and experience.

yoklov• 13 years ago

Well, this can actually have a pretty significant effect on the feel of the game so depending on what kind of game you were prototyping, it might be worth it (though, your better off hardcoding a few cases of SAT than trying to get it working completely generally in a prototype).

HeyChinaski3• 13 years ago

How would one hard code SAT cases? Just curious I've got the general code working now.

dicroce• 13 years ago

I agree with his main point, but to be honest, on most of the games I've worked on I've had something playable very fast (1 or 2 weeks)... Its all the details beyond basic gameplay that take all the time and really make delivering a game hard.

RyanZAG2• 13 years ago

Agree completely. Basic little 3D engine is easy to do because it's been done so many times before. Any of the complexities are well known and it's not like Notch hasn't made a similar block based 3d engine before. The author talks about not making an engine and just making a game.. but there's no game here yet?

The hard part is always the details and the new stuff.

Xdes• 13 years ago

All that stuff sounds so cool, but I have no idea of how I would implement it in code. One of these days I'll learn 3D graphics programming.

agentultra• 13 years ago

I recommend http://www.amazon.com/Math-Primer-Graphics-Development-Editi... when you're ready

detritus• 13 years ago

ahha, thanks for this! I'm really pleased to see Notch doing what I always thought he did best - messing around with wee projects and coming out with joyous little playthings.

Minecraft just got a little bigger than I imagine he was interested in playing with.

discreteevent4• 13 years ago

I don't want to criticise the blub essay too much because there were some valid points in there. But in fairness as soon as I read it I thought of John Carmack. He uses C++. Given that the perspective of the essay is Lisp then if C++ isn't a blub I don't know what is.

But John Carmack is really productive.

Also he doesn't use vi or emacs. He uses an IDE! He used it even before it had any bells or whistles at all. (He also uses Windows!)

So is it because he's a genius and he does it in spite of using blub? Or is it because:

"Peter Norvig here. [....] In terms of programming-in-the-large, at Google and elsewhere, I think that language choice is not as important as all the other choices: if you have the right overall architecture, the right team of programmers, the right development process that allows for rapid development with continuous improvement, then many languages will work for you; if you don't have those things you're in trouble regardless of your language choice."

As for Notch. He uses Java and wait for it..

Eclipse!

bcjordan• 13 years ago

For the confused, blub is the hypothetical language from pg's essay Beating the Averages:

http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

coldtea8• 13 years ago

Well, it's just an essay. Not something even remotely proven.

A computer SCIENTIST should scorn the use of the "blub" notion as something that holds a priori.

klrr• 13 years ago

So you claim he learnt a language and a new technology quickly, solely because he uses an IDE? I doubt so...

The Norvig quote sounds more reasonable.

discreteevent4• 13 years ago

Not at all. What I am saying is that it clearly doesn't matter. Some people are productive in vim. Some people are productive in eclipse and java (even though they are incredibly un-hip and won't score you any points at conferences (with your dell laptop running windows!). But like the article says really productive people tend to be focused on the product.

riwsky• 13 years ago

For John Carmack's take on the matter, see:

John Carmack: "Thoughts on Haskell" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6278047

discreteevent4• 13 years ago

I know he tried Haskell. I agree with him on a lot of points he made there. But:

1. He investigated it long after he had already been successful using something more mainstream. If you are starting something up then I think it would be good advice to use what you know and get on with it. If that's Haskell then good for you. If its not then don't waste your time. Get on with the product.

2. Even then he didn't finish rebuilding his game because he was drawn back to his day to day work. The guy is just product focused.

efnx• 13 years ago

I really, really want to see Carmack's Haskell. That would be a super fun read.

melling6• 13 years ago

So, why do you think he went with Dart? You're kind of telling us that what he chose didn't matter, but he must have had his reasons for jumping into a new technology.

We probably can't infer much from Notch's use of Dart beyond the fact that the technology is baked enough for real world use. I guess someone could always ask Notch for his opinion on Dart, after he's used it for a few more weeks.

discreteevent4• 13 years ago

The primary reason no doubt is because it enables him to deliver over the web. There are other languages for this but I have no doubt that in Notch's case I have no doubt its because he feels he can be productive in it and that is because it is similar to what he knows. He was asked on reddit why he chose java and he had a really simple answer:

"Because I know it"

Given the massive language debates that are out there I thought this was pretty refreshing and indicative of a successful person whose focus is elsewhere.

Myself I think Dart is a massive improvement over java and I could probably debate it all day. But then again I'm not as successful as Notch, maybe I should ease up on the debating.

ahoge• 13 years ago

why do you think he went with Dart?

I'd guess because it offers more structure than JavaScript. You have classes, packages, and you can just `import` things. You also get proper tooling. You can also overload operators, which is kinda nice for games (vector math).

He wrote a lot of Java and AS3. Dart is very similar. Just a bit terser and a bit "scriptier".

AYBABTME• 13 years ago

Maybe he just did it in Dart for fun.

RyanZAG2• 13 years ago

Dart is very close to Java but with a number of language features altered to be closer to matching web APIs and for easier trans-compilation to Javascript. So Notch using Dart isn't very unlikely if he already liked Java.

raverbashing2• 13 years ago

Well, yes, I used an IDE in the Turbo Pascal/Turbo C++ era from which John Carmack comes

DJGPP and RHIDE as well.

It was not common to use a separate editor apart from the "programming environment"

jdonaldson• 13 years ago

Ultima Underworld continues to blow my mind. Happy 22nd birthday.

xradionut2• 13 years ago

I don't know why the blog poster is impressed. This is Notch's domain, writing code of this ilk. He's probably got over a decade or more dealing with games and graphics, the hard part is dealing with a API that's unfamiliar.

(I have ported familiar code from a Python script to a C# desktop application in similar time, the hard part was dealing with various .NET quirks.)

kleiba• 13 years ago

Now, I haven't seen one line of Notch's code. I have no idea if it's well structured or spaghetti. I would make an educated guess and say that there's a lot of the basics in this project that have been ported over from the Minecraft or 0x10c code.

This last point is rather unlikely I think. I spent more than one or two weeks worth of time watching the various screencasts you can find on twitch.tv of Notch coding (I find it highly relaxing).

He usually writes everything from scratch. He doesn't copy & paste from other projects because he's experienced enough to pretty much to just write down the code he wants. He also hardly ever looks up documentation (besides using autocomplete for library methods). Also, he practically doesn't write any code comments in these toy projects.

He's extremely productive in my opinion, and can easily spend hours at a time coding. He does a lot of play testing and small gameplay fixes, even at early stages.

I've learned a whole lot just watching these videos. For instance that we don't have the same taste in music :-) But thank god for twitch.tv.

ddevault• 13 years ago

I've also spent time examining Notch's coding habits.

He is a terrible, terrible coder. Minecraft was (and still is) an unoptimized, poorly designed piece of crap when he handed it off to the rest of Mojang. The DCPU-16 he designed had many flaws and his assembler for it threw out assembly convention. He makes very basic mistakes very frequently and his core designs are flawed.

I say this as someone who has spent a considerable amount of my life [1][2][3] figuring out this terrible crap and working around it. Notch is a very bad programmer, and people only revere him because he made Minecraft.

To reply to you all at once: regardless of his ability to create or ship a game, which is not in question, his ability to write good code should not be idolized. His failures have tangible reprecussions that have long plagued the Minecraft hacking community and Mojang itself.

[1] https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net

[2] https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Tomato

[3] https://github.com/SirCmpwn/organic

TheZenPsycho2• 13 years ago

So, uhm... how many blockbuster games have you shipped, just out of curiosity? Not an ad hominem attack. Just, curious, because someone with such confident opinions as yours about notch's abilities must surely have shipped a few.

derefr• 13 years ago

I might say that Notch is the best kind of coder, for what his goals are. Notch is, really, a game designer. The goal of a game designer is to iterate a set of rules and mechanics until something fun is tracked down ("fun" is sort of the "product-market fit" of game development.) in the process, they may create prototypes that allow them, or others, to play-test the rules/mechanics, but that prototype is not the output product of the game-designer's work, the ruleset itself is.

Now, frequently, a game-designer may also be a game-developer (someone who takes a ruleset that's already known to be fun, and builds a solid game engine to enshrine its behaviors), and a game UX designer besides. But this doesn't have to be the case. Miyamoto doesn't code or do UX. Will Wright doesn't code or do UX. And Notch should be in roughly the same category.

Obviously, there might be some dysfunction at Mojang that results in prototypes getting shipped instead of developed—but that's a separate issue.

willismichael4• 13 years ago

He is a terrible, terrible coder.

I've had an idea brewing in my head for quite some time, and while I still don't quite have the words to express it completely, it more or less boils down to this:

There isn't necessarily a correlation between being a good programmer and shipping a successful product.

Now of course we can argue over the definition of "good programmer" and "successful product".

I started as a hobby programmer in my childhood and teens, then went to college, and since then have written code for various companies. For several of the earlier years (including college), I had this wide-eyed fantasy of the brilliant, beautiful code that I would work on once I became a "Real Programmer" (whatever that means).

My hopes and ambitions shattered once I got into the workplace and discovered some of the slop that I had to maintain. Then for a few years I was on a crusade to banish all ugly code from whatever project I happened to be working on at the time.

Lately I've realized that having pristine, elegant code is NOT the goal. The goal is to ship software that people actually use. I don't really know much about the internals of minecraft, but I do know that nearly half of the teenagers in my neighbourhood spend hours and hours playing minecraft.

I have to admit that I'm still an idealist at heart, and of course the best situation would be to have a project that is both externally successful and well-designed (making it simple to fix bugs and add new features and such), but I'm constantly having to remind myself to stop trying to get everything perfect and just write code.

exit• 13 years ago

can you elaborate on what's so terrible about his coding style?

MrZongle2• 13 years ago

Sir_Cmpwn's assessment of Notch was harsh, but not wrong.

Notch isn't in the same league as a John Carmack, for example. The most recent release of Minecraft saw massive changes to the underbelly of the game, all of which is being done by Mojang staff other than Notch. The game does have a ton of warts, especially where modding is involved, which can be traced to some of Notch's technical decisions.

Does that mean that Notch is a bad person? A fool? No, neither. Notch had a vision for Minecraft, followed it, and because of that work is now a very rich man who can afford to play with whatever technology he wishes. I wish I was like Notch.

Let's not shoot the messenger here.

pearjuice• 13 years ago

Couldn't agree more. Notch his success has nothing to do with being good at programming. It's about being creative and able to create good game play.

Because he programmed game play routines a lot and dealt with everything involved (i.e graphic rendering and such) more than the average Joe it looks like he is a good programmer because he just shakes it out live on some streaming website. Those concepts are language-agnostic and you can remember them.

KVFinn• 13 years ago

He is a terrible, terrible coder. Minecraft was (and still is) an unoptimized, poorly designed piece of crap when he handed it off to the rest of Mojang. The DCPU-16 he designed had many flaws and his assembler for it threw out assembly convention.

Notch is inspiring to me the way people like Carmack are not, because I know I'll never be a Carmack -- he's operating on an entirely different level than me. But Notch was able to change the world as a regular programmer plugging away. What he does not seem hopelessly out of reach of my capabilities. You can have a huge impact just being 'good enough'!

(and 'terrible' is hyperbole -- certainly most of the programmers around me at work could not get a 3D engine with Dart up and running in a week, or design a cpu and assembler -- even bad ones.)

marknutter2• 13 years ago

And if he had spent his time first becoming the perfect programmer (according to your standards) he probably wouldn't have bothered writing Minecraft in the first place. This type of attitude, and the lack of tact it's usually accompanied by, is by far the biggest issue with the programming community at large. I say this as a "terrible, terrible coder" who entered the field despite the fear of being labeled one.

melling6• 13 years ago

What kind of a person even idolizes someone for writing great code? Steve Jobs couldn't code at all. Facebook was written in PHP. GroupOn started on WordPress. According to this Slashdot article, Sergey and Larry aren't great programmers.

http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/11/01/1324209/larry-p...

The Instagram founders didn't have a programming background:

http://thenextweb.com/2012/04/10/instagrams-ceo-had-no-forma...

My take away is that beyond getting the job done, joining the priesthood of programmers is pretty low on what's important.

If you want to be successful, focus on the other things then hire a bunch of programmers to continue your dream once you hit it big. By the way, make sure the interviews are insanely difficult and keep your geeks out of the weeds (e.g. HN). Geeks love to play in the weeds!

nhoj• 13 years ago

A terrible terrible coder? That's a really insulting negative tone. Maybe he is not the best but he is clearly not terrible. Out of all the programmers in the world my guess would be that he is easily in the top 1-5% even if he leaves messy code behind.

coldtea8• 13 years ago

He is a terrible, terrible coder. Minecraft was (and still is) an unoptimized, poorly designed piece of crap when he handed it off to the rest of Mojang. The DCPU-16 he designed had many flaws and his assembler for it threw out assembly convention. He makes very basic mistakes very frequently and his core designs are flawed.

So, he's a pragmatic programmer that gets shit done -- to the point of being able to design his own toy CPU architecture (which already puts him above 90% of the programmers out there, including people that HAD hardware architecture classes at university).

Sorry if he doesn't live up to your standards...

corresation5• 13 years ago

Notch is a very bad programmer

I despise this sort of single-dimension haughty evaluation of programming "goodness": It is garbage, and is the dismissive grenades that a particular type of maintenance programmer tosses to feel better about themselves as they try to feed the family with sloppy seconds.

I single out maintenance programmers because there is a stark difference between creating something out of nothing, and being the guy who looks at that something and -- with all that is laid in stone in front of you, all of those unknown lands revealed and detours and dead-ends made evident -- can say "Oh clearly you should have A->E->Z: What a dummy!".

All novel works can be improved in countless ways, iteratively. This is a given of software development, and the fear of having to go through this inevitable process has stopped most projects before they've ever begun.

"His failures have tangible reprecussions that have long plagued the Minecraft hacking community and Mojang itself."

There is so much irony in this statement. Do you even realize?

voltagex_5• 13 years ago

I'm hoping that one day, Minecraft gets completely open source and is ported away from Java. I've tried and failed to write a plugin for Bukkit and the whole ecosystem is horrible. When your modding toolkit involves importing craptons of JARs and decompiling the rest, something's really wrong.

macspoofing• 13 years ago

He is a terrible, terrible coder.

Oh come on.

BlackDeath33• 13 years ago

He makes very basic mistakes very frequently and his core designs are flawed.

In the interest of my own self-improvement, could you elaborate a bit on this?

EDIT: I see that you've already talked about this a little bit, but if you'd like to elaborate further I'd be OK with that.

_2dsr• 13 years ago

Notch tweeted this in, I'm assuming, response to this thread:

"Just saw a nerd flamewar debating if I'm a bad programmer. I'm self-taught, prefer working along, and program for fun. Don't learn from me."

Take it for what you will.

https://twitter.com/notch/statuses/408011329237049344

drawkbox• 13 years ago

Yes good code can be commended, but initially it was his small project he worked up to be his golden ticket, never expecting it to be such a huge success. I'd say he did enough good to get it shipped, in the end that is the metric. But in terms of maintenance and clean code, I am a big proponent of it and good architecture. I can't say that this makes a project successful or not but it does make it easier to deal with after it is successful and sometimes largely determines how far it can go. There is always a battle between shipping and quality and here Notch was just shipping, in terms of the end product he is a good coder and a product shipper.

F_Catalan• 13 years ago

This line from the readme file of his Craft.Net project neatly sums up Sir_Cmpwn's presence within the notchverse:

"Minecraft is not officially affiliated with Craft.Net."

peterashford3• 13 years ago

If Notch was trying to write an API, then sure. If he's trying to write fun games (which he is) then you are dead wrong. Not all code is written for the same purposes.

Vermeulen• 13 years ago

Jonathon Blow had a great talk on the topic of programming indie games, http://the-witness.net/news/2011/06/how-to-program-independe... One part he mentions how when he was a more novice programmer and looking at the Doom1 source code he thought they made some horrible programming choices - but only once he actually started to try to make commercial products himself did he realize none of that mattered. When the goal is to make good products with very little resources (which is the defining aspect of being indie) being pragmatic is the most important thing.

what you would consider 'good code' wasn't Notch's goal, doesn't mean he isn't capable of it

kayoone• 13 years ago

The perspective of this is so wrong. Minecraft was a Plaything for notch, he wrote the beginnings of it in his free time while working for a different company. He certainly never thought of or even optimized it for being a massive world wide hitgame that needs a consistent modding API. If he did that, i am sure that Minecraft would probably never have seen the light of day as he would have lost interest in it, because most of all it was a sideproject to creatively explore an idea.

Coming in years later when everything has grown tremendously and saying that many of the early design decision were wrong, is so ignorant it infuriates me.

Kiro2• 13 years ago

I don't know what standards you are used to but I would really like to know who you consider to be a good programmer. Are you a good programmer? If Notch is a "terrible, terrible coder" then what are the people (ie: normal programmers) who can barely build a standard web CRUD app?

r41nbowcrash• 13 years ago

I remember liking the AI - all these different objects, complex, emergent behaviours, expressed usually in less than 40 lines of code. Clean, effective, with great bang to buck ratio.

If modding was high on their list of priorities, I'm pretty sure they would get it right.

robinduckett• 13 years ago

I remember you also slated my own programming ability for no reason what so ever, after seeing one tiny script that I wrote in 45 seconds.

You sir, are the kind of person who honestly believe that you're better than everyone else, and quite frankly mate, you aren't.

Are you a multimillionaire? Sometimes it's not about the code quality, it's about the ability to produce a product.

I don't revere Notch, but I do think he's a better developer than most, especially you.

jiggy20112• 13 years ago

He probably uses multiple monitors and only streams one (at least he did when I watched). So he might be looking up documentation on another screen.

missing_cipher• 13 years ago

Where would a noob to this kind of stuff start? I'd like to draw a rectangle to the screen. :)

habith• 13 years ago

I found NeHe's tutorials to be easy to follow especially since code that's ready to compile is provided at the end of each lesson: http://nehe.gamedev.net/

Most of them focus on OpenGL for windows.

I just searched and found this WebGL tutorial which says it's based on NeHe's so it's hopefully good: http://learningwebgl.com/blog/?p=28

Disclaimer: I'm not a game developer and I barely dabble in the 3D world, so take my links with a huge grain of salt :)

Pxtl• 13 years ago

My understanding is that the NeHe tutorials are archaic and do not properly reflect modern OpenGL usage. Iirc the legacy constructs used in NeHe have been dropped in mobile implementations of OGL.

exDM692• 13 years ago

Stay away from NeHe tutorials, they are badly written and really old. Pretty much everything they cover is deprecated and done in otherwise old fashioned ways.

This is a big problem with OpenGL tutorials in general, a lot of them cover old stuff that shouldn't be used any more.

The entire OpenGL fixed function pipeline is deprecated, replaced by programmable shader pipeline. It's a lot more work to get simple stuff done with shaders but it pays off in the end.

If you're looking to write a game (and not an engine) it may be a good idea to get an engine and not write "raw" OpenGL at all.

dsego• 13 years ago

http://open.gl teaches the basics of using OpenGL to develop modern graphics applications.

jaytheham• 13 years ago

http://www.arcsynthesis.org/gltut/ That's an excellent resource for modern OpenGL, I have links for a few others at home that I can't recall off the top of my head.

BHSPitMonkey• 13 years ago

If you're not feeling ready for 3D graphics, Khan Academy has a neat set of interactive lessons where you learn to draw and animate basic shapes using the HTML5 Canvas API (Javascript):

https://www.khanacademy.org/cs/programming

petercooper• 13 years ago

http://pragprog.com/book/csjava/3d-game-programming-for-kids

(It's not literally just for kids.)

Fr0styMatt5• 13 years ago

Udacity has a nice looking WebGL intro course:

https://www.udacity.com/course/cs291

copx• 13 years ago

Here:

  Rectangle(100, 100, 400, 400)

That or something very similar [1] draws a rectangle from pixel position (100,100) to (400,400) in many high level 2D graphics environments. Just posting this to point out that you do not have to make things more complicated than necessary.

OpenGL is a standard for hardware accelerated 3D graphics and it is inherently complex because of that. If you just want to do 2D do not bother with it.

[1] http://love2d.org/wiki/love.graphics.rectangle

krapp2• 13 years ago

Don't build an engine that you will someday build a game on top of, because you will never get past step one.

I have several still-unfinished Game Maker apps which more or less died because I got so bogged down on the "engine". So yeah.

aidenn0• 13 years ago

In this case, I see an analogy with the whole "Do it manually with a few customers" advice for startups that pops up from time-to-time. You write the damn code from scratch and see what gameplay is interesting, then you can write tools within that domain.

krapp2• 13 years ago

Now that html5 is a thing that would definitely be doable.

Fr0styMatt5• 13 years ago

I've thought about that a lot as I also have the same tendency. What I've concluded (for me at least) is that it's just EASIER to get started writing an engine than to write a good game, so you end up working on the engine out of intellectual curiosity and because it's the path of least resistance.

(I've never really gotten far writing a 'from-scratch' engine here but I'm also thinking of things like integrating a scripting system into an existing engine, which is something I've done before).

With an engine, you don't start with such a nebulous spec. You know, for example, the various pieces that your engine will need and it's easy to get started. You can say "well I need an asset importer", "I need to integrate a scripting system for gameplay", "I need some kind of rendering pipeline", etc. These are generally well-defined things.

With a game, well, what is there? You start off with the question "what is a fun game idea?" but in comparison it's so free-range. The ideas of where to head next just don't come as easily. Not to mention a lot of the non-programmer things that need doing - drawing the graphics, writing the music, writing the dialog if appropriate, etc. These can be intimidating things to attempt to do.

barrkel• 13 years ago

This is less a matter of only writing what's needed, than having written the same thing in lots of different variations, until you know the essence of the problem, and which are the most elegant paths to take.

A beginner in any discipline can't accomplish so much with so little effort. And it's wrong for a beginner to start out trying to do so, IMO; it's too easy to get discouraged if you think from the start that you should be able to do it with so little effort.

Writing your first game loop is a bit clunky, trying to fit it in with whatever framework / language / API is hosting you, and the sequencing / setup of everything. The tenth time, you know exactly what you want from an API, and have a good idea of what bits you need to build to get the effect you need. The hundredth time, you can look at a new API / framework and see the what it enables you to build most efficiently, and you can let that inform the design of what you create. Then, very little effort is needed. But that's only because you've already done the "really complicated system for loading meshes and shaders" or some equivalent in the past.

It's hard to get really efficient without having done things the inefficient way to begin with, if not earlier in the current project, then in previous projects.

cromwellian• 13 years ago

Dart syntax is very similar to Java in many respects, but simpler, so is it really any surprise that Notch would try out Dart, given his history with Java?

People like what's familiar. One of the reasons Java took off is because of it's similarity to other ALGOL type languages. C/C++ programmers could learn Java quickly for example.

ntide• 13 years ago

You know, I read Hacker News less and less precisely because the posts are so damn negative. For those debating whether Notch is good or bad, I suggest reading every article from programming in the 21st century.[1]

[1] http://prog21.dadgum.com/archives.html

ps4fanboy• 13 years ago

"Just saw a nerd flamewar debating if I'm a bad programmer. I'm self-taught, prefer working along, and program for fun. Don't learn from me."

https://twitter.com/notch/status/408011329237049344

Gotta feel sorry for him, he didnt ask to be or not to be an idol, must be disconcerting to have a bunch of random strangers talking about how good you are.

Notch, WebGL, Dart, and ramping up quickly

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