House Vote 412 - Rejects Limits on N.S.A. Data Collection

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/412

by josephscott • 13 years ago

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purephase3• 13 years ago

In all honesty, for all the freedom-related speech in the US and the so-called constitutionally protected rights against government corruption and abuse, I'm shocked that Americans are not in the streets rioting right now.

rayiner4• 13 years ago

Americans are a very order-loving people. It's hard to get them to riot or protest about anything, much less something like NSA surveillance that has no visible negative impact to the ordinary person.

purephase3• 13 years ago

These "order-loving people" are the same ones that buy-out all ammunition when a vague proposal is put forward to improve gun registration... I'm not sure how to reconcile these positions at all.

nitrogen• 13 years ago

Americans don't take to the streets because people on the streets are vulnerable to riot police with tear gas and mass arrest enclosures.

rayiner4• 13 years ago

You wish. The fact is most Americans wouldn't even conceive of protesting. It's unseemly and the kind of thing you'd expect the French to do, or worse people in uncivilized places like the Egypt. Your typical American thinks of tear gas and mass arrests as being for dirty hippies like those OWS protesters (young, unemployed, urbanites--triple whammy), not regular folks like themselves. And that's probably true--what kind of tear gas and mass arrests were used on Tea Party protestors?

jamesaguilar• 13 years ago

Riots don't really work, for the most part. And anyway, no one is actually being harmed by this -- at least not in a way that they could see or guess.

dllthomas2• 13 years ago

Americans are in the streets rioting right now, but about the Zimmerman trial...

mieses2• 13 years ago

Mostly opportunists, looters, and lifestyle activists. They're not motivated by the fear of losing something important.

tippytop• 13 years ago

The issue has been making it's way toward the mainstream despite the security establishment doing their best to keep it on the fringe. The leadership has the most to lose---their reputation for establishing an un-American system. The tide is turning though, and it's important to get representatives voting on the record. With continued public outcry, if this thing is really put to a vote, the numbers will swell in opposition because politicians, if anything, are ego driven, and no one wants to be on the wrong side of history.

ecubed• 13 years ago

I'm curious what else was going on in this bill? Was it solely a bill limiting NSA data collection, or was it another one of those where NSA data collection is the headline item, then inside it is alot of other junk.

davidhollander• 13 years ago

The vote was over whether to add the following ammendment to the DoD appropriations bill:

None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to execute a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order pursuant to section 501 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1861) that does not include the following sentence: ‘‘This Order limits the collection of any tangible things (including telephone numbers dialed, telephone numbers of incoming calls, and the duration of calls) that may be authorized to be collected pursuant to this Order to those tangible things that pertain to a person who is the subject of an investigation described in section 501 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1861).

http://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/AMASH_018_xml27...

The ammendment's author (Justin Amash) discusses what this means here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIqJcQR0im8

XEKEP2• 13 years ago

I can't recall any other issue, splitting the House orthogonal to party lines.

swang• 13 years ago

No: Nancy Pelosi: D CA-12 - San Francisco :facepalm:

Edit: At least M. Honda who is the Congressman for Silicon Valley voted Yes.

House Vote 412 - Rejects Limits on N.S.A. Data Collection

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