Fix random few-second freezes in Mountain Lion

http://www.princeton.edu/~jcjb/docs/osx_error_fix/

by swombat • 13 years ago

163 110 13 years ago

swombat2• 13 years ago

I've used the alternative method of editing system.sb - because I'm not scared of editing system files, heh.

To test whether you have the problem, open the Console (under Others in launchpad) and search for the string "mdworker".

danso2• 13 years ago

Hmmm...I wonder if this is my roommate's problem. Last year I gave her my 2008 Macbook Pro (a fully decked-out one at the time) because her 8 year old iMac broke...and she has been complaining constantly about how slow it is. She incessantly curses out the beach ball and will slam the mouse down repeatedly because she swears it makes the ball go away faster.

Because of that last bit, I've never taken her seriously. That laptop was working fine when I was using it for Photoshopping raw images while having 15 browser windows open...her use-case is literally to have something to check GMail with and sometimes listen to her iTunes collection. I've gone into the laptop several times to make sure there isn't bloatware on it, and have disabled every extraneous feature...and yet she still has the few-second freezes issue (and I've been unable to reproduce it)....Hopefully this is the solution to both of our problems.

swombat2• 13 years ago

The beach ball is a different issue... this is basically a complete freeze where the mouse cursor doesn't move for a few seconds. Doesn't happen all that often, but it's quite annoying whenever it does happen.

aidos2• 13 years ago

I don't think it sounds like the same thing - though, if you find the solution to your roommate's issue I'd love to hear it.

I have a new (< 6 months) Mac Mini running ML and it's infuriatingly slow opening applications. It's not unusual to wait 10-15 seconds after clicking to open Chrome or Spotify (or anything else). My 5 year old MacBook does the same thing in a fraction of the time (running SL).

coldtea11• 13 years ago

Are you people writing this technical / developers?

I mean, have you tried obvious things to find what's at fault? Like "Activity Monitor", "fs_usage" and such?

Have you checked if you have apps that install kernel hacks? Or some badly written memory hog app installed in the menubar to run all the time?

A < 6 months Mac Mini should have no such issues.

workbench2• 13 years ago

I'd be pretty annoyed if someone treated a computer I gave them so disrespectfully.

danso2• 13 years ago

Well, it's her mouse :)

And one of those terrible clear plastic mighty mice with the useless trackball. I'm quite surprised it's lasted this long given the beating she's given it.

driverdan4• 13 years ago

Do you have an Java apps running in the background, such as a Java based backup tool? On my previous Macbook I had problems with it beachballing and it seemed to be caused by issues with Java.

JonnieCache5• 13 years ago

Is that a lisp config file? Blimey. Is this common in OSX land?

I'm somewhat skeptical that this will fix the random beachballing, because I'm pretty sure I've been seeing that since before ML. The fact that I put up with it is testimony to how badly windows and (desktop) linux suck.

EDIT: tried the config edit and rebooted, not seeing the "deny mach-lookup" error any more but I am still seeing regular "Unable to talk to lsboxd" messages. I guess I'll try the safemode thing later.

EDIT2: another thing I've done in my quest to banish the beachball is to uninstall iStat Menus. I'm sure there are many others here who use it. It was causing lots of crazy behaviour in the SystemUIServer process. Now I've binned it, things seem better. It's a shame, I liked those graphs. Anyone know another tool that can show me per-process bandwidth usage?

joethompson2• 13 years ago

All the sandbox entitlement files are written in that scheme-like syntax, but it's limited to that in OS X as far as I've seen.

Hemospectrum• 13 years ago

It seems to be an actual Lisp-1 dialect, not just Scheme-like syntax. In (Lion's version of) application.sb, there are a whole bunch of lambdas and letrecs flying around. They even define a macro.

workbench2• 13 years ago

If you're running things like iStat Menus then you shouldn't be shocked when the system runs sluggish at times.

JonnieCache5• 13 years ago

Is it really that unrealistic in 2013 to expect my machine to be able to update a few graphs once every couple of seconds without falling to its knees and weeping? I know it's having to make lots of calls into the kernel to get the data, and I can live with it taking up a little bit of CPU now and then, but I have a right to expect it not to hang the OS.

I guess the ugly UI of the thing should have been a warning.

Osmium• 13 years ago

I run iStat Menus and have never noticed it cause even the slightest problem? I don't understand the problem?

The only thing that causes my MacBook to run slow is Dropbox when it does its re-indexing. 100% CPU, really? Sigh...

fredleblanc• 13 years ago

I didn't fully realize that I had this issue (I mean, I saw freezes, just assumed it was Photoshop or something causing it). Did the reboot fix and things seems to have worked. Whereas before mdworker errors were entering the console every 2-3 minutes, it's been 30 since I did the reboot and haven't seen an mdworker error since.

lukeholder• 13 years ago

same here, thought it was photoshop. My computer doesn't do the freeze anymore. This is awesome.

dpedu• 13 years ago

Holy hell, my 2012 Macbook Air does this! Its pretty irritating but I had been taking it as a fact of life.

rexf• 13 years ago

Same for my 2011 Air, I was thinking about formatting and re-installing OS X. Not sure I can reliably reproduce the few-second freeze in OS X, but it does happen (and is very noticeable when it occurs).

nicholassmith• 13 years ago

I've had a few issues with ML locking up, some seem to be from this, others are from graphics updates being suspended. It's almost enough to push me back to SL honestly, but I need the later versions of XCode. Very annoying.

NelsonMinar3• 13 years ago

I'm pretty handy with Unix but this problem and fix seem like pure magic. What problem with Spotlight indexing / Time Machine could cause the entire GUI to lock up in the first place? I'm used to random Apple apps like Finder and iTunes beachballing because they are badly written, but the whole OS?

The "alternative fix" hidden text at least explains why booting Safe Mode might magically fix things; it's "rebuilding things and clearing caches". What a mess.

JonnieCache5• 13 years ago

The idea that a kernel-level process sandboxing system getting confused could freeze the GUI seems pretty legit to me.

NelsonMinar3• 13 years ago

I suppose so, but that's a pretty severe bug. The whole sandboxing system is pretty controversial in the first place, the idea that bugs in it are causing users' GUIs to lock up is pretty horrible.

rangibaby2• 13 years ago

This fix is for a sandboxing bug in the first releases of 10.8.2 and 10.7.5[1]. Updating your OS to the latest version can also remedy the problem.

[1] http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1599

shimfish• 13 years ago

I'm on 10.8.3 and it was happening to me until I did the safe mode reboot half an hour ago.

driverdan4• 13 years ago

Nope. I'm running 10.8.3 and my logs are spammed with the sandboxd and mdworker lsboxd error messages.

ars• 13 years ago

So the entire fix is basically to reboot to safe mode, then back out of it?

How does that fix anything?

Watabou• 13 years ago

Read the apple page on safe mode. It performs several checks which most likely fix the problem.

coldtea11• 13 years ago

Because safe mode is a different runlevel (IIRC), it gets the chance to run some maintenance scripts, delete caches, etc, uninhibited by some services that are loaded in normal mode.

euroclydon• 13 years ago

Does "clear the console" mean open the terminal and type clear, or something else?

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

It refers to the Console app, which has a "Clear Display" button.

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

I have a brand new 2013 model MBP (Retina display, 16GB RAM, Apple SSD) running Mountain Lion. I actually upgraded because my 2011 model was getting these freezes, and I assumed it was a hardware problem.

But my new MBP has been sluggish from day one. That is, from the moment I migrated my user files from my old box. It's possible that I got some stuff that affects performance. Three things helped:

* First, disabling the dynamic pager [1]. This one has a dramatic effect on performance. In theory, it will prevent OS X from swapping out apps unnecessarily (which it will do even when the apps are active and there is plenty of RAM). I did have some, but not much, swapping going on, but it still improved performance.

* Secondly, I uninstalled iStat Menus. I can't be sure that this contributed to the performance problems, but I won't risk reinstalling to find out. It seems to have helped a bit.

* Thirdly, I disabled Spotlight indexing of my home directory. This way Alfred will still autocomplete apps. Some apps lose their search functionality, but I never use Spotlight, and I find that I can live without it.

I tried the sandbox config fix, but it made no difference to me.

The remaining sluggishness seems to come from the graphics layer. For example, doing the Exposé "reveal all windows" command takes 3-4 seconds on my box and has a frame rate of approximately 1 fps. It's not great. I notice the reduced graphics performance when scrolling pages in Chrome, whereas Safari is smoother. I suspect this is Retina being a bit too ambitious compared to actual current graphics card performance.

As an aside, I believe OS X's I/O system has traditionally been its weak point, being a Mach-based hybrid-microkernel architecture. You can cause GUI scheduling problems by overloading the I/O system, and it's possible that this is exacerbated by having a SSD.

habosa• 13 years ago

It must be something else going on. The Expose features should not be nearly that slow. My mid - 2010 Macbook with wayyyyy too many applications installed is still butter smooth on most animations.

rangibaby2• 13 years ago

When you are trying to push 100% more pixels with only around 20% more GPU grunt, you're going to have lag.

I have a feeling that the animations would be a lot smoother (and battery life a lot shorter) if the GP forced their laptop to use the dedicated graphics card.

[1] GT330M benchmark (2010 Macbooks) http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+330...

[2] Intel HD4000 benchmarks (2012~ Macbooks) http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+HD+4000

ewillbefull• 13 years ago

Warning: as soon as you run out of memory, without that dynamic pager everything will crash. That said, I also did this when I was on Mac.

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

With 16GB RAM it's a non-issue at the moment. But it will be interesting to find out what exactly happens. Kernel panic? Does the app that can't allocate crash, but everything else works? Does everything just start to crash randomly?

driverdan4• 13 years ago

Per your graphics issues, try installing gfxCardStatus[1] and watch for if/when it switches between integrated and discreet. I've found the integrated Intel graphics to be slow for OS GUI stuff like "reveal all windows" but discreet video is fine.

It will also let you choose which GPU to use which is useful for testing.

[1] http://gfx.io/

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

Thanks. I always run with the automatic graphics card switching disabled.

ggreer• 13 years ago

It's possible that I got some stuff that affects performance.

It's almost certain that migrating something from your old mac caused this. Clean installs of OS X do not have the problems you describe, even on the 13" rMBP's weak GPU.

First, disabling the dynamic pager [1].

I don't know what you tried to link to, but I'm guessing it's similar to this blog post from a while back: http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/20464780085/something-is-de... . The author changed his mind after 10.8 came out: http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/28556080639/mountain-lion-s...

Disabling dynamic_pager disables swap, and that's not a good idea on OS X. Any perceived difference in performance is likely placebo. Have you tried a blind test? Have a friend disable/enable swap and see if you can guess correctly. You might be surprised at the results.

Instead of risking the instability and performance degradation that is likely to occur when changing low-level OS settings, you should figure out what you migrated that's causing the issue. Do some science. If you create another account and log in, do the issues persist? What if you boot off the restore partition? Are there any specific errors in the system console? If you backup, erase, and install a clean OS X, do the issues persist? What if you copy your dotfiles over to this clean install? What if you copy your old ~/Library to it? Etcetera. Once you reproduce the problem, you can use time machine to restore to an unaffected version.

You might as well upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, hack a bunch of registry entries to change kernel behavior, and then complain that Windows is buggy and slow. Blaming the operating system is easy, but it won't fix your problem. The cause is something you copied from your previous set-up. Find it and you'll be a much happier camper.

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

> but I'm guessing it's similar to this blog post from a while back

That's the link. He didn't change his mind, he merely upgraded and got better performance. That did not happen in my case.

> Have you tried a blind test?

No need. Before the change, my mouse pointer was freezing up every few seconds, and I got "IOHIDSystem cursor update overdue. Resending." in the system log very frequently. This disappeared completely after disabling the pager.

The difference in performance is stunning. For example, previously, opening a new tab in Chrome would not animate the tab line correctly, resulting in a weird "jolt" as the tab came into place. Now it's smooth.

> Do some science.

The problem is that these things take a lot of time. Time that I don't have. At some point I might create a new user and see if that helps.

execve• 13 years ago

Parent is correct, and it's not placebo. Disabling swap on OS X usually results in a dramatic improvement. People unfamiliar with the poor memory management of OS X tend to become personally offended by this suggestion and often start explaining how swap works (usually incorrectly). The reason is simple; it swaps when it doesn't need to, and swapping is much slower than accessing memory. For what it's worth, I've been running this way for years.

Yes, I know how swap works - I'm a kernel developer (mainly FreeBSD, but I have experience with most mainstream desktop kernels, including Windows). No, it's not dangerous to run without it in 2013 if you have enough memory.

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

My [1] link was supposed to go here: http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/20464780085/something-is-de...

wamatt• 13 years ago

Same here. 2012 Macbook Pro, 16GB Ram, SSD etc. Pretty sure the issue relates to thermal throttling.

It's particularly bad when in clamshell mode, plugged into the Thunderbolt display.

kernel_task CPU usage shoots up when CPU throttling kicks in. I suspect however GPU throttling also is affecting performance.

At times the GUI just feels really slow and laggy. Seriously considering ditching OS X altogether.

guylhem• 13 years ago

This problem is due to the protection, the sandboxing.

Various approaches have been suggested on the online forums, including editing the config files to be more lenient about these protections (the so called "alternative approach" proposed by the poster)

I tried them all, never had any result. I almost gave up, then read about that safe mode reboot suggestion. I have long uptimes and I don't want to bother reopening stuff, so I didn't do it immediately.

But finally I did, and it worked. Based on the timestamp of my blog (http://en.blog.guylhem.net/) I tried that on mar 31, about 1 month ago, and here are the results from the syslog so far (1 month of data after the fix):

    # bzgrep sandboxd /var/log/system.log*|grep deny|sed -e 's/.*bz2://g'|sort|wc
      97    1441   18032

About 97 issues of sandboxing zealousness remain, if we distinct them by removing the PIDs with :

    # bzgrep sandboxd /var/log/system.log*|grep deny|sed -e 's/.*macbookair//g' -e 's/[0-9]*//g' |sort|uniq
    kernel[]: Sandbox: sandboxd() deny mach-lookup com.apple.coresymbolicationd
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): Preview() deny file-read-data /Users/guylhem/C/abcdef.jpeg
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): Preview() deny file-write-data /Users/guylhem/C/abcdef.jpeg
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): QuickLookSatelli() deny file-read-data /Users/guylhem/Desktop/Wolfram Science Summer School   Application_files/.css
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): QuickLookSatelli() deny mach-lookup com.apple.PowerManagement.control
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): TextEdit() deny mach-lookup com.apple.SystemConfiguration.SCNetworkReachability
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): TextEdit() deny mach-lookup com.apple.tsm.portname
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): TextEdit() deny system-socket
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): VTDecoderXPCServ() deny file-read-data /Users/guylhem/Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): mdworker() deny file-read-data  /Library/Filesystems/NetFSPlugins ()
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): mdworker() deny file-read-data /Library/Filesystems/NetFSPlugins (pre-ls-info fstype:mtmfs fsflag: flags: diag: uti:com.apple.application-bundle plugin:/Library/Spotlight/Application.mdimporter - find suspect file using: sudo mdutil -t )
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): mdworker() deny file-read-xattr /Users/guylhem/Library/Application Support/Google/Chrome/Safe Browsing Bloom (pre-plugin fstype:hfs fsflag:D flags:E diag: uti:public.data plugin:internalPlainTextImporter - find suspect file using: sudo mdutil -t )
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): mdworker() deny mach-lookup com.apple.PowerManagement.control (import fstype:hfs fsflag:D flags: diag: uti:com.microsoft.excel.xls plugin:/Library/Spotlight/Microsoft Office.mdimporter - find suspect file using: sudo mdutil -t )
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): mdworker() deny mach-lookup com.apple.PowerManagement.control (import fstype:hfs fsflag:D flags: diag: uti:org.openxmlformats.presentationml.presentation plugin:/Library/Spotlight/Microsoft Office.mdimporter - find suspect file using: sudo mdutil -t )
    .guylhem.org sandboxd[] ([]): mdworker() deny mach-lookup com.apple.PowerManagement.control (import fstype:hfs fsflag:D flags:E diag: uti:com.microsoft.excel.xls plugin:/Library/Spotlight/Microsoft Office.mdimporter - find suspect file using: sudo mdutil -t )
    .guylhem.org.home sandboxd[] ([]): Preview() deny mach-lookup com.apple.SystemConfiguration.SCNetworkReachability
    .guylhem.org.home sandboxd[] ([]): Preview() deny system-socket
    .local sandboxd[] ([]): QuickLookSatelli() deny mach-lookup com.apple.PowerManagement.control
    .local sandboxd[] ([]): VTDecoderXPCServ() deny file-read-data /Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist
    .local sandboxd[] ([]): fontworker() deny mach-lookup com.apple.ls.boxd

This last one is interesting :

    # bzgrep com.apple.ls.boxd /var/log/system.log*
    /var/log/system.log.2.bz2:Apr 26 18:23:37 macbookair.local sandboxd[64] ([62]): fontworker(62) deny mach-lookup com.apple.ls.boxd

lsboxd sqweaked only once in a month - and for something different.

I'd call this "problem solved", which is supported by my personal observation over this last month : I haven't experienced the problem again yet, while previously it was at least every 2 days (along with the TimeMachine always reindexing)

My suggestion: check your logs with the greps, try this simple fix and report your results in a month.

EDIT: This in on my macbookair with a 480GB OWC SSD (but apparently it also occurs on macbookair with vanilla apple ssds). I used istat menus, and still do. I didn't disable the dynamic pager, spotlight or anything else.

(EDIT2: removed) - thanks for the 4 spaces suggestion! as explained, the simple safe reboot solution made the problem go away, while other approaches didn't. It works for me, and I have 1 month of data supporting that.

JonnieCache5• 13 years ago

>EDIT2: oops my asterisks in the sed regexp got interpreted as italic. replaced them by unicode chars. Use standard asterisks

Lines prefixed with four spaces go into <code> tags.

jes5199• 13 years ago

What change did you actually make that made the errors stop?

jdminhbg• 13 years ago

He's talking about the original parent link: http://www.princeton.edu/~jcjb/docs/osx_error_fix/

astrange• 13 years ago

> This problem is due to the protection, the sandboxing.

The problem of sandbox violation lines appearing in your Console is caused by sandboxing. It's unlikely that it goes any further than that.

The author has associated some other silent issue with his system to this one sandbox violation just because it happens to be printed all the time.

If you're experiencing some performance problem, run sysdiagnose(1) (or hit the key combo in its man page) and throw it into Apple's bug reporter. Or, if you stare at the output for a very long time, you might even figure out how to read it.

kstenerud• 13 years ago

I get the freeze every time I plug in or remove a USB device. Hopefully this fix will work for me...

randall• 13 years ago

The issue I've had is from not being able to use keyboard or mouse entry for some random (3-5 seconds?) amount of time.

Anyone else seen that? rMBP, fwiw.

NelsonMinar3• 13 years ago

I have no idea if it's related, buy my mouse cursor sometimes freezes on a 2011 iMac running Lion. Lots of details (and no answers) at http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/88211/cursor-stutte...

lobster_johnson11• 13 years ago

Yes. Same here. It freezes and while I can type a little, it ends up "liiiiiiik tttttiis".

Those freezes got a lot rarer after I disabled the dynamic pager [1]. I have only experienced it once since then.

I have had vm_stat and iostat running constantly to see if I can catch any metrics when it happens, but nothing stands out. It's not related to excessive I/O or swapping.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5626835

ktf• 13 years ago

I'm seeing the same thing. This is my first real Mac experience, got it from/for work, wasn't sure if something like this was "normal". (I'm a long-time Linux user, so I'm used to putting up with a lot of bullshit from my desktop.)

I've found a handful of forum posts and support requests, but no solution other than "it's probably a hardware defect and you should return it".

nwh2• 13 years ago

Definitely. I also lose the keyboard at the same time too though, so it's potentially a USB issue as well. Doesn't happen frequently enough that I'm able to work out exactly what causes it.

driverdan4• 13 years ago

Yes, this happens to me too but only under certain circumstances.

It happens all the time if I have an external keyboard plugged in and try to use the built-in keyboard or trackpad. It will often be non-responsive to input for about 5 seconds. Once both the keyboard and trackpad completely stopped working and I had to reboot (using the attached external keyboard). I noticed some USB errors in console once when this happened but didn't investigate.

I've also seen this when it's asleep and I try to wake it up. Often it will take 5 sec or more to respond and wake up.

manacit• 13 years ago

Happens to me as well on a 2011 15" MBP running 10.8.3. I haven't been able to pin it down but it's really annoying sometimes.

ByronT• 13 years ago

I began experiencing this problem on my mid-2008 MBP late last year. More recently, I've found that slipping a piece of paper between the battery and the golden electrical strip helps a lot.

sehugg• 13 years ago

I've had that too, but when it eventually comes back (~10 seconds) I get about 100 repetitions of the last key I pressed. Mid-2009 MacBook pro.

dunham• 13 years ago

I occasionally get into a state in ML where the mouse click events stop working (and the Cmd-Tab UI doesn't show up). This persists until I kill "Dock". Then the mouse starts working again (and the desktop resets itself), but the dock and Cmd-Tab UI don't come back. (Cmd-Tab works, but doesn't display the UI.) I never figured out the magic thing to kill to fix this, and end up rebooting.

(This hasn't recurred since the latest point release, so it may be fixed now.)

UnoriginalGuy• 13 years ago

This whole thread is making me very pleased I didn't buy a Macbook Pro.

It isn't the fact that stuff goes wrong that bugs me, it is the fact that seemingly both the problems and solutions are via "magic." Even people who claim to be very UNIX knowledgable have no idea what is going wrong...

When Apple's stuff works it "just works." When Apple's stuff stops working then you're SOL.

lucian1900• 13 years ago

Their sandboxing method is deeply flawed and it locks up core services.

saidajigumi• 13 years ago

In my experience, this kind of thing is no different than any other system I've used over the years. Windows, Linux, OS X -- all of them end up with odd problems that require a bit of digging around the web to sort out. Singling out OS X as "then you're SOL" seems like FUD to me.

obviouslygreen• 13 years ago

When you have a problem in Linux, it may require some searching, but the solution usually makes sense at some level. Unless you're doing something very strange or bleeding edge, it's more likely that what you find won't be totally incomprehensible or inexplicable.

As for Windows... just restart it, you'll be fine. ;)

super_mario• 13 years ago

Safe boot clears caches (all kinds of user/system caches) and among them sandbox config files. Mystery solved.

wisty• 13 years ago

Having them switch the location of /usr/lib (breaking numerous compiler tools) wasn't enough?

coldtea11• 13 years ago

>This whole thread is making me very pleased I didn't buy a Macbook Pro. It isn't the fact that stuff goes wrong that bugs me, it is the fact that seemingly both the problems and solutions are via "magic." Even people who claim to be very UNIX knowledgable have no idea what is going wrong...

Sounds like rationalizing the non-purchase to me.

Nothing voodoo about how OS X works. Just that nobody bothered to investigate this problem further (and that OS X sandboxing a custom component, and a recent one at that, not some standard UNIX/POSIX functionality, so not everybody is familiar with it). My guess is that the safe-boot thing lets some maintenance scripts run uninhibited by restrictions set in other run levels, which fixes the md issue.

That said, md is just a normal unix process. If you cared enough to find this out, you can see what's going one with fs_usage, you have Dtrace available and other niceties etc.

In any case, nothing unlike the numerous problems people have with the intricacies of selinux.

Wilya• 13 years ago

To be fair, if you have a linux problem and Google leads you to Ubuntu forums, the solutions you will find there will likely be ugly strings of misunderstood magic too.

It's just a general fact that, given enough time and some trial and error, one can make problems go away even without understanding the root cause. I don't think it varies so much from one OS to another.

clobber• 13 years ago

I've tried this and so far, so good!

I'm rather annoyed as it seems like a simple "housekeeping" task that OS X should have already handled. When upgrading the OS, Apple always re-hides my user Library folder and wipes out my TRIM support kext for my "3rd party" SSD, but they cannot perform clean up like this? Very disappointing.

ahknight2• 13 years ago

Can't safe boot with a Filevault 2 boot disk. Thanks, Apple!

You get to decrypt the disk, safe boot, verify fix, then re-encrypt the disk. Apparently the boot loader can't pass a boot variable down after the transfer or something? Anyone have insight here?

coldtea11• 13 years ago

>Can't safe boot with a Filevault 2 boot disk. Thanks, Apple!

I'm sure they did it out of incompetence and/or spite, and not due to some security concern or technical issue.

ahknight2• 13 years ago

When designing a new system-wide architecture like a new storage subsystem, edge cases matter. A lot. I'd call it, at best, an oversight in the design phase of CS-WDE and, at worst, incompetence.

grayprog• 13 years ago

If you can't boot into Safe mode (I couldn't on a rMBP with 10.8.3), you can perform the following sequence to make it boot to Safe mode (source https://discussions.apple.com/message/21366643#21366643):

  cd /sbin
  sudo mv fsck_hfs fsck_hfs_orig
  sudo cp -p /usr/bin/true fsck_hfs
  nvram boot-args="-x -v"
  
  reboot, log in
  
  sudo nvram boot-args=""
   
  reboot
   
  cd /sbin
  sudo mv fsck_hfs_orig fsck_hfs

mitchty• 13 years ago

Why are you moving fsck_hfs around? I do notice if i'm booting into safe mode that fsck_hfs is taking FOREVER. (running 12 hours so far on my retina mbp 15, which is ludicrous)

But just switching to single user (aka boot-args="-s -v") and manually running fsck_hfs -c 4096m -f -d /dev/disk1 (or equivalent) I managed to clean up / of a few problems in under 4 minutes. fsck_hfs looks like it could use some fixing to dynamically cache things better, that or they could give it default arguments based on the systems memory size to speed things along.

Either way I'm done with trying to fix this, just going to reinstall 10.8.3 from scratch and rsync over my home directory and reinstall vmware. I've tried about every fix for the sandbox nonsense, and since this system had 10.7 originally maybe it upgraded badly, whatever.

nixy4• 13 years ago

I know this might not be the best forum for this question, but since this thread currently has a lot of eyes on it I wanted to reach out and see if any one has experienced the same issue as me.

I am on a mid-2011 Mac Mini and I upgraded to Mountain Lion when it was released. Ever since I have been plagued with a freezing issue which is way worse than described by the OP.

What happens, 10-20 times per workday is the following:

  I am in my workflow coding, sending e-mail, using Photoshop etc
  At any seemingly random time, the app(s) I am using will become unresponsive
  Soon after the Beachball appears and I cannot interact with most apps
  After a period of time, usually between 10 seconds and 15 minutes (yes, minutes), everything un-freezes and goes back to normal

When the freezing happens, Chrome will not load webpages (stuck on "Waiting for cache" message). The Terminal will take forever to perform simple commands, such as "ls". TextMate will freeze when trying to save a file, or sometimes even when trying to input data. Finder will lock up totally.

At times during longer periods of freezing, there is a small burst of CPU cycles going through, so if I type "ls" in the Terminal, the command might execute after 40 seconds and then freeze again.

I have searched the web high and low for a solution, but haven't even found anyone with the same issue.

I have tried booting into safe mode, re-installing ML, uninstalling software, tampering with settings, isolating the behaviour to a certain app etc. I have found that the freezing occurs even after a clean reboot without starting any apps. There is nothing in the system logs. There is no extra network, cpu, memory or disk activity at the time. I have not found a single thing to pin this on.

Using Photoshop, Parallels and Skype seem to make the freezing more frequent, but they are not solely responsible for it.

Has anyone even seen this issue? At this point I have mostly given up on a solution, I am just looking for that "Who are you DenverCoder9? What did you see?" moment[1]

Anyone?

[1] http://xkcd.com/979/

Cybernetic• 13 years ago

I feel your pain, this happens to me too. I thought extra RAM would help, but it didn't. I thought a clean install would help, but it didn't. I hope "DenverCoder9" is out there. :)

nixy4• 13 years ago

Cybernetic, you are my DenverCoder9. Thank you.

kalleboo3• 13 years ago

Is your disk healthy? That sounds like the behaviour of a dying harddisk (system locks up waiting for disk I/O as the harddisk retries, retries, retries until it finally gives up). Is there nothing in Console.app when this happens?

nixy4• 13 years ago

No, nothing in Console.app. I have run various disk diagnostics tools and they come up with nothing. My best guess is that it is the gfx drivers, but I have not found a way to manually re-install those on OS X.

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