Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

https://vinyl-cache.org/organization/on_vinyl_cache_and_varnish_cache.html#org-vinyl-varnish

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stephenr4• 1 month ago

The comparison with MySQL/MariaDB is unfortunate, given that since the "split" MariaDB has shown itself to be every bit the corporate owned "FOSS" project while its supporters still harp on about how terrible oracle is for OSS, without actually acknowledging the real history of each respective project and accompanying company.

Given that MariaDB the company is now owned by a private equity firm, I doubt it's going to get better.

Intermernet• 1 month ago

Still got Percona, but I'm not sure what their status is at the moment.

stephenr4• 1 month ago

To me the biggest "unknown" with Percona is that MariaDB (the company) bought out Codership (the creators of Galera Cluster, which XtraDB Cluster is based on) and it doesn't seem to be OSS any more.

I'm sure for some shops this will drive them to pay for the same feature in MariaDB cluster, but I'm more likely to just transition to MySQL Group Replication.

This is my whole point about MariaDB - they are steadily making their OSS software completely dependent on the company (paid) versions for anything beyond toy scale.

haeseong• 1 month ago

The operational wrinkle nobody mentions in the rename is that the same vulnerability now ships under two version trains. VSV00019 was just patched as Vinyl 9.0.1 and as Varnish 8.0.2 and 6.0.18, so anyone pinning a version in their package manager has to figure out which lineage their distro actually tracks before the next CVE lands.

mijoharas• 1 month ago

This article links to a previous one[0] (by Poul) which states:

I will also state for the record, that there are no hard feelings between Varnish Software and the FOSS project.

I wonder if that is still the case now. (this article is fairly diplomatically written, but I'd imagine it must be pretty frustrating)

[0] https://vinyl-cache.org/organization/20-years.html#years

Yokohiii4• 1 month ago

Well I guess the enterprise side of varnish was quite beneficial to him (and the core devs) over that time. If something gives you financial freedom over 10+ years to work on a thing you love, you can't be mad at all of it.

But if FOSS is deeply encoded into your DNA, you become pretty protective once you realize your project may become extinct sometimes in the future.

ksimukka• 1 month ago

"Vinyl cache" is an interesting name. I wonder what other candidates the maintainers considered? I was secretly hoping they would name it "Veneer Cache" or something similar to "varnish".

manarth• 1 month ago

And the bike shed absolutely MUST be painted blue

flurdy• 1 month ago

Vinyl flooring etc is at least related to varnishing floors?

JamesSwift• 1 month ago

How about Shellac Cache

ape4• 1 month ago

So its not a cache for my record collection ;(

anotherhue• 1 month ago

It definitely sounds more musical to my ears.

wofo• 1 month ago

What a mess... It's sad that the community has to suffer the consequences of a company holding the trademark hostage.

throawayonthe• 1 month ago

does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood the situation as presented until that paragraph

Yokohiii4• 1 month ago

mysql was pretty much the downstream thing that everybody used back then.

Sesse__4• 1 month ago

MySQL has never been downstream of MariaDB.

embedding-shape• 1 month ago

The way I remember it, was that MySQL was sold, then some time after, MariaDB was created as a fork, and you could switch between them. Then at one point MariaDB diverged sufficiently that you could no longer "effortlessly" (kinda) switch between them, by now they're separate but MariaDB's origin is still MySQL obviously.

nijave• 1 month ago

Yes Monty started MySQL then forked when either Sun or Oracle acquired it.

My, Maria, and Max are his kids. There is MaxScale which is a L7 SQL proxy/loadbalancer

evanelias5• 1 month ago

I had the same immediate reaction. It's a completely nonsensical comparison which just demonstrates the author is extremely confused about the relationship between MySQL and MariaDB, in terms of their corporate entities and project structures.

That said, it seems to be a common point of confusion among FOSS die-hards, but still super unfortunate to see it repeated in this context!

pbowyer• 1 month ago

The one positive of this is it seems to have livened up the open source project (Vinyl Cache). Features that haven't been added for years are now being worked on, whether they step on the toes of the commercial offering or not.

ksec• 1 month ago

Does Fastly still uses Vinyl Cache? Wondering who else is using it as well in production.

youngtaff• 1 month ago

Last I heard they were migrating to WASM based edge compute that could read Varnish configs but not sure how far they got

Sesse__4• 1 month ago

They are using a fork, although nobody _really_ knows how up-to-date it is.

taskforcegemini• 1 month ago

maybe I missunderstand the question, but it is widely used on all kinds of websites. To speed up sites using wordpress, magento, shopware etc

sgarrity• 1 month ago

In Canada, we pronounce it Vinyl CachÉE.

IndySun• 1 month ago

Can you write that phonetically?

dxdm• 1 month ago

Gesundheit.

ibejoeb2• 1 month ago

It sounds like Varnish Cache is kind of a distribution of Vinyl Cache. It's based on the FOSS project with its own downstream patches.

On another topic:

The Varnish Cache FOSS software was initiated and sponsored by the Norvegian newspaper Verdens Gang. They hired a company called “Linpro” to handle the logistics and me to write the code.
From Linpro grew the company Varnish Software
IP-Lawyers still insist that Varnish Software owns the Varnish Cache name

Consultants came in a just assumed the IP? It sounds like a pretty complicated cross-border ordeal, but that is still quite a leap.

jaapz• 1 month ago

What is Varnish Cache?
Varnish Cache is a distribution of the open-source Vinyl Cache project, made for the modern cloud: ready for Kubernetes, with built-in TLS support, and a long-term-support release cadence with extra modules and tooling layered on top.

(https://www.varnish.org/index.html)

ibejoeb2• 1 month ago

Well there you go...

captn3m0• 1 month ago

This was published in April, and we are far from consensus on what is “varnish”. Lots of distributions are now packaging vinyl and calling it varnish, some are pointing to the varnish repo instead (Fedora, Homebrew).

I’d left a comment last time, but haven’t tracked it since: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47728216

geronimoisdead• 1 month ago

I bet they're sorry now for sticking to principles, no one forced them to change the name. As it looks now, they'll be developing upstream but "everyone" will be using fork. Explain to me how to use vmod-tcp pacing with haproxy handling tls? Not to mention mess this caused with vmods.

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