The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

https://respublica.media/en/en-sudan-abandoned-war-genocide-no-one-stopping/

by ResPublica • 3 months ago

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Synaesthesia• 3 months ago

Africa sadly just gets ignored. But one day it will unite and develop itself, so I hope anyway.

y0eswddl• 3 months ago

Many countries have already begun to claw back their part of the continent from the hands of colonizers.

I hope this continues.

dwa3592• 3 months ago

This is heartbreaking. Is there a place where I can donate? Will it help in anyway?

Edit: Thank you for your responses. Ended up donating to Doctors without borders. Hope it reaches someone. I was going to say humans are really just wild animals but then i thought that would be a disrespect to wild animals.

voodooEntity3• 3 months ago

Dont wanne be the devils advocate here, but reality is that even if you find something "looking legit" in terms of donation, especially in such regions the most money will be "lost" halfway, and even if some will reach the destination it is more than rare that it will even help to benefit those suffering, and not land in the pockets of a few "in power" or just used to buy more weapons to kill more people.....

Yes helping is a good thing, tho reality is its not as "easy" as transfer some money. Tho respecting your good intentions

jvanderbot4• 3 months ago

That's overly cynical. Donating to local warlords / psuedogovernment actors can be sketchy. Donating to e.g., UNICEF is much more likely to produce good results for refugees, especially children and mothers.

I'm not aware of where to send money to stop wars - it's likely to have the opposite effect, sadly.

throwaway1737382• 3 months ago

What do you have against Doctors Without Borders?

nhatcher• 3 months ago

Try Share The Meal[1]. It's quite easy to use and I think it has an impact. Sadly also a way to keep in touch with devastating news like this one

[1] https://sharethemeal.org/en-us

lostlogin• 3 months ago

My neighbour who is a nurse did stints there while working for the International Red Cross, it was either 3 or 6 months.

https://www.icrc.org/en/where-we-work/sudan

jahnu• 3 months ago

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) are also there

https://www.msf.org/conflict-sudan?page=0

Rekindle8090• 3 months ago

It would probably be better to donate to the people in your immediate circle of family and friends

goodcanadian2• 3 months ago

I feel like I have seen better analysis of this elsewhere. In a nutshell, it is not simply a civil war. Regional actors are involved as a proxy war: Saudi Arabia against the UAE, for example (who are also having a proxy war in Yemen). And Egypt against Ethiopia. The wikipedia article covers some of the complexity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80...

EDIT: This is what I am thinking of: https://youtu.be/bpH37vGoRJc

b450• 3 months ago

There is a section of the article covering precisely this, headed "The external actors: arms to both sides"

goodcanadian2• 3 months ago

It is not covered in anywhere the same level of detail, in my opinion.

throwaway1737382• 3 months ago

It’s not getting much attention because the UAE is allied with the US against Iran. If you listen to their mouthpieces on the news you’re going to hear nothing but glowing praise for the US attacks on Iran and statements about the Iranian campaign against civilian targets in the UAE. I don’t think the US government has much stomach to go against the UAE. And it’s a sad commentary on what the people who control the executive and the legislative are about that they speak about Sudan not at all.

yostrovs3• 3 months ago

This war is not even known about by the general public. The question is why not? I believe the actors of the war nobody hates or loves outside of Africa. Nobody knows them. If it would be Americans, Chinese, Israelis, or Russians involved, the war would be in the news.

newspaper1• 3 months ago

“The world” is very complicit in supporting Israel’s genocide. It also has effects like stripping the rights of citizens in countries whose governments support Israel. That’s why people care.

culi2• 3 months ago

FWIW I haven't seen a better more thorough analysis of the history and current state than Cogito

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqIMES53rsY

csense• 3 months ago

Let's be honest. If someone did send in the troops to restore order, people would be screaming "How dare you invade a sovereign country" or "You're only doing this because you want oil" or "The President wants to make Sudan the 51st state" or "You're wasting money and soldiers' lives messing around in a place most of us can't even put on a map" or "You're just doing whatever the Jews tell you to do."

RIMR• 3 months ago

That's probably because:

A. Our tactics would constitute an invasion B. We would try to seize oil or other natural resources while we were there. C. The president would literally say something like this on national television.

papa0101• 3 months ago

then bloody stop sending troops to all other countries under whatever pretexts.

Calavar• 3 months ago

It's really hard to cry victim about others misrepresenting Trump's motives for the Iran war as oil, oil, oil when the US did in fact launch a military attack on a country - within the last six months - where the subsequent negotiated agreement on oil rights was quite literally described by the White House press secretary as "the president’s control of Venezuela’s oil" [1] and just a few weeks later the president held a public, televised conference with Chevron and ExxonMobil executives in the White House where he pitched them on investing in the Venezuelan oil industry [2]

[1] https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/trump-venezuela-oil-...

[2] https://youtu.be/sD4x6T-u4XY

fwipsy• 3 months ago

If the article called for direct military intervention, I missed it.

SadTrombone• 3 months ago

There are other countries and coalitions in the world that aren't the United States. Humanity fought and ended wars for thousands of years before the United States ever existed.

yostrovs3• 3 months ago

Most of the countries and coalitions you're alluding to have no functional militaries or actual interest in doing something about the war. They do strongly condemn.

insane_dreamer• 3 months ago

No one is saying the US should send troops to Sudan. But it has made the situation for civilians much much worse by gutting USAID, and it could flex its might to force diplomatic solutions to end the fighting, but it's not.

If Sudan had oil though, we'd probably have already see the US militarily involved.

dist-epoch• 3 months ago

Exactly this, the same "The Guardian" that routinely complains that any western/US military intervention in Africa is "western colonialism" is now begging for western/US military intervention.

Typical example:

Colonialism in Africa is still alive and well
Today’s waves of migration are a direct result of Britain’s disastrous intervention in the ousting and killing of the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The current situation is down to the failure of western powers, particularly the US and British governments, who feel they’re the custodians of almighty power and believed could do as they wished in Africa without any blowback.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/01/colonialism-in...

cess112• 3 months ago

One factor this article skips over is that UAE and the Abraham Accords makes the US reluctant to rein in their buddies.

This might change due to the UAE not being very happy about the US dragging them into a regional war.

ResPublica2• 3 months ago

You're right, I underweighted that. The Abraham Accords logic sits underneath the whole US posture toward the UAE and I should have named it directly. The piece treats it as part of the "economic interests" frame but that's too abstract.

Concretely: the US has tied its Gulf diplomacy, arms sales, and regional security architecture to the normalization framework, and the UAE is the pivot. Calling out UAE arms transfers to the RSF would mean fracturing that, which nobody in Washington wants to do, Biden administration included.

On the second point I'd be more cautious. There were signals after the Iran escalation that Abu Dhabi was getting nervous about regional entanglement, and some reporting suggested a partial cooling on RSF support. But I haven't seen hard evidence that the arms pipeline has actually slowed, and the ICC evidence-gathering announcements haven't produced any UAE course correction yet. The incentive structure to keep hedging via Hemedti is still intact as long as the RSF controls Darfur and the gold flows.

Fair catch on the Accords piece though, that's a gap.

culi2• 3 months ago

Your comment is heavily downvoted because, especially the first sentence, seems AI generated. Was this comment AI generated? HN is for human discussions

cess112• 3 months ago

"But I haven't seen hard evidence that the arms pipeline has actually slowed"

Sure, as I understand it, it is mainly structured around flights and spread out over several logistics lines and already partly shadowed by turned-off transponders and so on. Disturbances at sea are unlikely to affect this.

However, there has already been squawks from the UAE about having to turn to the renminbi to clear oil sales and the like. China is not particularly fond of the RSF and has had good relations with the sudanese state since the fifties. Choking the Hormuz is likely to make this relation and stability in Sudan even more important to China.

More medium term the UAE now has incentive to go look for partners besides the US and Israel. At the moment they try not to, but this is highly likely to change, especially since money is pouring out eastwards from the emirates and to win it back they would need friends that seem stable in the long term, like they did until their remote and nearby allies started beating on one of their largest neighbours.

"the ICC evidence-gathering announcements haven't produced any UAE course correction yet"

That "yet" does a rather hefty deadlift. The UAE has begged the US to shield them from the ICC but as I understand it, it did not result in a clear and reliable response. Perhaps they count on the US to do for them what they've done for Israel, but since the US put all their efforts into protecting Israel during this latest iranian response and left their other allies in the region to help themselves, I kind of doubt that this can last.

Russia has an interest in the gold, but I don't think they care whether it comes to them from the RSF or the state, and they are more dependent on China than the UAE. In a pinch I'd wager they would support stability as long as the gold keeps flowing and China is happy.

Edit: Personally I believe the US to be so deficient in short-term memory that they can't manage the relations to other West Asia states than Israel with any form for strategic reliability. They might promise the UAE a dollar swap line, do a press conference about it, and then forget to actually open one, or give it to them and then a few weeks later pull the plug on it because budget reasons or whatever.

dmix• 3 months ago

For context: SAF is backed by Saudis/Qatar/Egypt/Iran/Russia and RSF is backed by UAE/Libya/Ethiopia/Chad/previously Wagner but Russia switched sides.

The US and others have pushed for negotiations but the competing interests by the gulf states, russia, and other african countries have complicated things.

ahhhhnoooo2• 3 months ago

Is anyone stopping any of the genocides around the world? Governments and citizenry are engaged in many attempts to wholly eradicate cultures and minorities. Sometimes fast, like Israel attempting to eradicate Palestinians. Sometimes they are slow, like the barriers put into place against indigenous communities after generations of genocide against them.

It's not new either. Sudan, Uyghers, Rohingya, Yazidi, Armenians, Hutus, Tutsi, Bengalis, Cambodians. The world has stood by and not intervened in many of these. Heck, Palantir just posted that they believe some cultures should be eliminated in the United States.

It's grim out there.

yostrovs3• 3 months ago

"The world" cares about some more than others. That's why the plight of the Palestinians is daily on the news, while that of the Yazidis or Druze is not.

_DeadFred_• 3 months ago

I had compassion for Ukrainians weaponized against me here on this site (you are racist, you only care about white people, etc). Many now days use/express compassion as a weapon/political tool.

ahhhhnoooo2• 3 months ago

Maybe read better news? I've been hearing about the Yazidi through reporting on the YPJ/YPG since circa 2015.

But I think theres multiple factors happening. One is scale. Millions of Palestinians are currently experiencing displacement, bombings, and settler colonialism.

Thats a large group of people. Multiple times the size of the Yazidi or Druze populations.

There's also the scale of the conflict and the weapons deployed. Israel deployed somewhere around 80,000 tonnes of explosives on Gaza. Thats more explosives than were deployed in World War 2. Add in evidence of white phosphorus being deployed, and the scale of the devastation is newsworthy.

And I think access to communication is different, people care about what they can see. Footage of Gaza is readily available and terrible to behold.

Finally, and I'm not pleased about this one, I think many in the west excuse behavior of some countries because they have racist ideas about those countries. Like, many Americans probably expect developing nations to have atrocities, but then look at Israel and go, "I thought this was supposed to be a model democracy! We aren't supposed to do genocide!" (Of course this idea is nonsense, developed countries have done genocide many many times, but I think it does drive news cycles.)

enrightened• 3 months ago

It’s abandoned because the killings are being done by Arab supremacists.

azinman2• 3 months ago

It’s been perplexing to me to see the entire US left and college kids protesting against Gaza, yet no one says a word about Sudan.

cooloo• 3 months ago

If you think hard anyone can find the answer. No one call it genocide, no one call the ongoing war in Syria a genocide.

I guess no one care to be blant.

The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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