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Yeah if anything Kimi's ability to distill that quickly is a major technological breakthrough

Also Japan has a monopoly on essential EUV materials like photoresists and mask blanks and pellicles. Japan is also the only country in the world that can produce a number of highly specialized ancillary machinery like the actinic light systems used to inspect EUV photomasks. ASML also acquired its e-beam inspection tech from a Taiwanese company. There's also no way ASML could run anything at production if it wasn't for TSMC and Samsung.

Not to mention the critical role of the US in its development. The core EUV light source was invented in San Diego!

it's been flagged to death

This was actually made before the LLM boom

https://www.shlinkedin.com/

The United Nations officially declared it a genocide. The fact that the investigation is ongoing doesn't mean you can't have conclusions along the way.

It makes no good sense to evaluate models we don't have access to. For all we know K3 was competitive back then too. Or maybe there's a K4 in the works that blows everything out of the water. Who knows and who cares. There's no way for us to compare

Well the same is true for Kimi. Before it, Fable was at the lead. Kimi is at the same level as Fable generally. Sometimes better, sometimes worse.

There are very few companies that would ever be able to afford to run it themselves. But it does give you the security that it's technically possible. Puts some limits on stuff like Moonshot changing their terms/conditions/policies

The US wasn't building new electrical generation capacity because it didn't need it

You need to understand that the US added 40.3 GW of energy capacity in 2023. 70 to 80 represents a dramatic growth (nearly doubling) in new capacity.

Also China is just getting started. 8 out of the 12 nuclear power stations opening worldwide in 2027 are Chinese https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...

If AI is "all about electricity" as you say then the US was barely ever in the running in the first place. There's no possible way the US could compete any time in the next 2 decades (putting aside a dramatic shakeup like war)

Also why our friends in UK/Europe/China are so busy pushing anti-AI propaganda to try to undermine this.

Lol people make up the funniest theories when a political idea they don't like is gaining popularity. At least you didn't blame Russian bots

Are you even responding to my comment?? I did not say ICJ concluded. The investigation is ongoing. They said Israel's actions are consistent with genocide. I did not say the ICC is concluded either. I just said they issued arrest warrants for war criminals Netanyahu and Gallant. That's a fact that you're avoiding. Also yeah ofc the ICC isn't the one who charges genocide. They charge for individual war crimes. That's the whole purpose of it. Anyone can become a paying supporter of the IAGS, that doesn't mean you can vote. Proposals go through an expert committee and are checked for factual accuracies the same way anything published in the IAGS journal is academically reviewd.

It’s trivial to see that the UN is strongly biased by just taking one look at the data here https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

How can anyone read this and come away with that conclusion. 164 countries including Canada and every country in the EU voted to stop the illegal settlements in the West Bank and 7 countries (including Fiji, Palau, and Micronesia) voted against it. Yet the US is allowed to veto it. This whole page shows an incredible bias AGAINST holding Israel accountable for its crimes against humanity going back almost a century!

Yeah and I've used this site for years when trying to recall a lecture I watched but only remember bits of

https://filmot.com/

(it lets you search youtube by transcripts)

No "19 vs 20" is not true for "Kimi vs Fable". It might be true for "Kimi vs Opus" or whatever. Anyways looking at pricing plans is not a good way of comparing the price of LLMs. It makes more sense to look at cost per token:

  Kimi K3: $3/$15 (input/output)
  Fable:  $10/$50

2/3rds of all languages use rolled r's

Kimi publishes their code and a technical report on their methodology. But I think the weights are still important. It means anyone with the resources could run the same model on their own hardware.

So far all the Kimi models have open sourced their code, their weights, and published technical reports explaining their training methodology. I expect the Kimi K3 Technical Report will come out July 27 and they usually publish the code and the weights alongside that.

A third the cost, open source, and won't refuse every other request because of some vague possible connection to cybersecurity concerns.

No I got this list by paying attention. It would do you well to stop assuming everyone is as handicapped by LLM-dependency as you are. Every single one of these reports was a major news story. It boggles my mind how uninformed people can be and still readily jump into a debate online

Okay please. Tell me how I misrepresented the links. I would love for you to actually do the work of reading them. Something you should've done for the past few years as they were coming out. Better late than never

Google's Knowledge Graph is a massive advantage no other competitor has. I don't think they've fully utilized its full potential but I don't know if any other company could've built something like Scholar Labs

https://archive.ph/O4pKL

The United Nations is biased when it found it was a genocide in August 2025: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-coi-14aug25/

The ICJ was biased in January 2024 when it said Israel's actions are consistent with genocide: https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447

The ICC was biased when it issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant, charging them as war criminals in November 2024: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286

The United Nations remained biased June of 2026 when it said Israel was continuing to commit genocide by targeting children: https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790

The world's leading organization of genocide scholars, the IAGS, was biased in August 2025 when it also resolved that Israel is committing genocide: https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS...

Amnesty International's investigation that concluded genocide in December of 2024 was also full of bias: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter...

The UNHR and its collaborators (human rights law clinics at Yale Law School, Cornell Law School, Boston University, and the University of Pretoria) must've been biased in May 2024 when they released a rigorous legal analysis and concluded that Israel's actions violate the 1948 Genocide Convention https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza

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Every single one of those were biased except for you and your LLM :)

Here: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-coi-14aug25/

It goes into depth about the purposeful destruction of civilian infrastructure including hospitals and educational facilities, force displacements, funding for new settlements in the land of displaced people, judaization and segregation, and more.

The Commission analysed the military operations of the Israeli security forces in Gaza from October 2023 pursuant to the obligations of Israel under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Genocide Convention)

Since October 2023, Israeli officials have demonstrated a clear and consistent intent to establish permanent military control over Gaza and to change its demographic composition while systematically destroying Palestinian life in Gaza. This is evident in the extensive destruction and fragmentation of the territory, the establishment of military structures, the destruction of natural resources and infrastructure essential to the survival of the civilian population, forcible transfer and statements indicating the existence of plans for the deportation of the population.

Also here is where the ICJ said Israel's actions are consistent with genocide: https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447

And in November of 2024 is when we got the ICC issuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his minister of defense (this is why Mamdani is threatening to arrest him and send him to The Hague): https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286

And here is from June of this year when the UN stated Israel is continuing to commit genocide by targeting children: https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790

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Additionally, here is the International Association of Genocide Scholars resolution: https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS...

Amnesty International also concluded it in 2024: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter...

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I should add that ALL of this is well known amongst international legal scholars and well documented. This isn't just a matter of data missing from training.

So all the models you tried disagreed with the United Nations ruling?

In international law, that is the ultimate authority of what is/isn't a genocide. It's objectively, legally speaking, a genocide.

And here I was believing the Red Scare was for the history books

Private companies will figure it out.

Across sectors, China added 543 GW of energy in 2025. Next year, USA is expected to add between 70 and 80 GW of energy

What the models will and won't discuss has nothing to do with the data its trained on. The locally hosted models don't have any censorship anyways. There's no way to get rid of the censorship in the American models

:rock: + :slingshot:

I hesitate to even engage in a conversation about organizing our entire infrastructure/society over such a rare incident, but I'll bite.

Powerful lights are known to actually increase safety risks. Our nightvision is reduced and the shadows of the lights are the most dangerous parts. Perhaps more dangerous than no light at all.

Once city (I can't recall which) had a really cool solution to this where they installed string lights. Lots of small, dim lights don't negatively impact your nightvision, keep the path pretty visible, and don't cause too much light pollution

It's an exponentially growing issue. Starlink's current fleet of ~10k is expected to grow to at least 42k. And since its been used for military uses, China and Russia have realized they also need their own competition. China's SpaceSail plans on launching 15k satellites by 2030. The EU's ambitions are much smaller than both of them, but if every developing nation continues to build their own platform, where does it end?

Starlink has over 10k currently but has applied for at least 42k. And because it's now a US military technology, every other country is building its own. China is planning on launching over 12k satellites and Russia is working on their own.

It's too much

Did you even read my comment? They explicitly DO share their training methodology in depth in Technical Reports on arXiv.

DeepSeek completely revolutionized LLMs and every western LLM today uses or is inspired by the their innovations including Group Relative Policy Optimization and Multi-head Latent Attention.