Woman who had sex with identical twins told it is 'not possible' to identify dad

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-who-had-sex-with-identical-twins-told-it-is-not-possible-to-identify-father-of-baby-13526141

by qingcharles • 4 months ago

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pseudocoup• 4 months ago

From reading it appears all parties are invested in the outcome of children. So this becomes interesting for other reasons.

What is the current state of the art in this type of testing? Why is a definitive result too far off but also too expensive?

muskstinks11• 4 months ago

You need to find a genome change if it exists which requires whole genome sequencing. so its a money question and doesn't guarantee a result

giantg210• 4 months ago

And even if a genome change exists, it may not show up in the offspring depending on which version of gamete they're derived from.

GeekyBear• 4 months ago

With identical twins, the genome is identical since both twins derive from the same fertilized egg.

I'm not sure how future advancements can overcome that issue.

PaulKeeble• 4 months ago

Epigenetic changes might be one possibility, they are sometimes passed down to children and are responses to environmental adjustments. We don't know most of the rules around them however nor what can be passed down and to what extent but potentially in the future we should know more.

gadders2• 4 months ago

>A woman who had sex with identical twins separately "within four days of each other"

Amazing.

muskstinks11• 4 months ago

Why?

And why do we evaluate this on something like hn?

Are you shaming a person for having sex or?

ahhhhnoooo7• 4 months ago

Right? Good for her/them, assuming everyone was consenting.

ap997• 4 months ago

The sex part is a bit shame worthy I'd say.

But the part where this woman cannot identify the father is definitely worth shaming.

asah• 4 months ago

"Amazing" is not necessarily a judgment, could in fact be congratulations or even judgment-free entirely just amazing story.

nodesocket• 4 months ago

I mean, 4 days and then she hooks up with your twin brother. Yes, I am shaming her.

mionhe• 4 months ago

A person expressing wonder at a surprising situation does not require shaming.

And yes, I think when a person finds themselves in a situation like this they should be examining their life choices.

I don't know why it's on hn though.

ap997• 4 months ago

Exactly. This whole "no shame" society has gone a bit too far.

rich_sasha• 4 months ago

When I first read the headline, I thought it's about a woman who had sex with her own identical twin (and somehow that means their father cannot be identified).

So I was almost disappointed when I read it properly.

readthenotes1• 4 months ago

It'd be about the same Jerry Springer style

snvzz• 4 months ago

Considering outcomes of children that grow up in a single parent scenario are well-known to be much better when it is the father rather than the mother, in the interest of the child, I would propose splitting custody between the two fathers, leaving the mother out.

muskstinks11• 4 months ago

Yeah probably because our patrichary is shit and woman earn a lot less money than man do which makes it easier for the man to pay for baby sitter, nanny, education etc.

Perhaps we fixup our society instead of blaming it to a woman?

ahhhhnoooo7• 4 months ago

No clue why you are getting downvoted. It's well documented that women earn less. It's well documented that children are expensive. It's well documented that social safety nets are inadequate to assist in raising a child.

You've literally just stated some objective facts and suggested we fix some of those challenges.

cjs_ac• 4 months ago

Considering outcomes of children that grow up in a single parent scenario are well-known to be much better when it is the father rather than the mother

I've never heard this and would be very interested in a source.

ap997• 4 months ago

Just google it.

Better outcomes all around when the father is the only parent as opposed to when the mother is the only parent.

giantg210• 4 months ago

Not the same person, but here's something. Just to note, the income portion mention might be lacking additional investigation as child support is typically not accounted for in income numbers.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-single-father-households-...

spzb5• 4 months ago

[citation needed]

yummybrainz• 4 months ago

April Fool's?

ap997• 4 months ago

This is actually well known.

ahhhhnoooo7• 4 months ago

What the fuck? Leave the mother out of her own child's life? Because statistically there is a marginal difference, which may not even apply here, because population wide numbers aren't a good indicator for specific cases?

Your approach is inhumane.

nyeah• 4 months ago

Rage farming with no scientific interest. Sad to see this upvoted to front page.

giantg210• 4 months ago

There is an interesting question - how can we prove paternity or other DNA based questions with identical twins (full sequencing looking for mutations?) and if we can't, how do we handle legal responsibilities in this sort of case?

There's a lot of good material to discuss here.

mieses2• 4 months ago

no there isn't but i appreciate your amusing stupidity. this is a good example of the state of exception that most people with common sense intuitively understand.

leni536• 4 months ago

This feels like purely a legal question. The child is equally related the twins both genetically and seemingly in other relationships.

hnbad• 4 months ago

If I understand correctly, the current outcome is that the twin remains on the birth certificate but his legal rights granted by paternity have been suspended?

I understand the reasoning that the inability to prove a positive does not suffice to prove a negative but clearly his presence on the birth certificate is a positive claim that has been ruled invalid - shouldn't it then be removed, at least temporarily?

Fire-Dragon-DoL• 4 months ago

Oh wow, if they break up, who has to pay for the kid then?

bit1993• 4 months ago

Hash collision

josefritzishere• 4 months ago

Flagged? The chat looks pretty innoccuous.

qingcharles• 4 months ago

Yeah, no idea why this was flagged.

Woman who had sex with identical twins told it is 'not possible' to identify dad

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