Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-toddler-torture-idf-israel-detention-b2947167.html

by ghd_ • 4 months ago

144 50 4 months ago

independent.co.uk

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-toddler-released-isr...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-denies-repo...

austin-cheney• 4 months ago

It’s pretty safe at this point to directly associate any support for Israel as a form of violent racism.

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

Someone had submitted the same article and I was reading that article and I was in complete and utter shock and then I reloaded the hackernews page and I saw the post flagged.

I really don't know/wish to know what your ideology is, but why this struck my mind was the imagination that this could've been my kid or this can be your kid, to whoever is reading this within wars and the brutality of this.

I just can't out of good faith, let that discussion be ended, it is worth talking and worth submitting again. I have also archived the web page on archive.org

"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind"

I just can't help but think, have we already lost mankind/(humanity?) in cases like these.

I wish for everyone to stay safe and hopefully, this time around, this post doesn't get flagged.

Have a nice day.

burnt-resistor4• 4 months ago

Ignoring the possibilities bots and engagement for disingenuous purposes, there are many people who benefit from the status quo, still other horrible people who support it, and still others who patronizingly declare certain topics must be censored for some fanciful, tone-deaf ideals that fail to meet the moment. All will be remembered how they failed to stop suffering, destruction, and calamity or possibly cheered it on. There is no right or left, only right and wrong and ultra-rich vs. everyone.

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

Well said, I agree with you. Some things go beyond politics and this is one of them and you're either on the right side of the history or wrong.

mhb2• 4 months ago

Thanks for your service in alerting us to this unsubstantiated and terrible incident. Are you going to make a new submission for each of the tens of thousands of Iranians killed or tortured by their own government? Where are your posts for the undisputed Hamas atrocities which instigated all of this? Are these not sufficiently traumatizing to insist that they be brought to the attention of the readers in this inappropriate forum? But now we should all just get along?

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

Are you going to make a new submission for each of the tens of thousands of Iranians killed or tortured by their own government

Please go read my comments on Iranian regime. I have Iranian friends online and they all have spoken highly badly of Iranian regime.

You know that the people of Iran are the most haters of their own regime, because its their freedom which gets infringed upon, when you and I talk on a forum of freedom. They were literally protesting.

but the same innocent people are also being bombed by USA and Israel (Please refer to the post about Iranian Schools with girls getting bombed) and no, that isn't disputed by anybody.

So, to me, who has both Israeli and Iranian Friends. Do you really want to know what I believe?

I believe that this is an extreme blunder from the USA/Israeli Side to wage this war. They could've done this a month ago when protests were happening and the people of Iran would be on their side but they have essentially just made the nation get a common-enemy as innocents die as well.

And even my Israeli/Jewish and US friends are agreeing on me that this war has been a massive blunder. The straight of hormuz which was previously opened has now effectively given Iranian regime a tax on 20% of oil supply with a toll booth effectively.

If you want boots on the ground, its gonna be a forever war & innocents will die as well, just as they did in the last middle-east wars. Nearly nobody I know wants yet another Middle east war.

Iran was weakening by itself with protests from the people actually living inside. Either US/Israel had the tiny window during that to attack but as soon as the protests were brutally crushed, then launching a month after protests ended has led to this Iran war disaster.

Either way, Innocent lives of Iran are dying. I have met friends in my life of Iranian descent online who are now taken offline because of the war, I sometimes wonder if they are even alive or not, the same way during protests, I hate both their regime and Israel/US for this war and the way they are handling this war with innocents being killed, and no, once again, it has been confirmed in nearly all media reports that one finds where the natural conclusion is that, yes Innocent people are dying because of this war and this is what I am against.

I am against wars, period. I am not biased towards any one side because I somehow like the islamist theocratic regime, Again read my comments on hackernews or even on this thread. I and my nation have been on the opposing side of an Islamist extremism attack (India) and I was shook to my core.

But that doesn't mean that all muslims are bad or would not make me sad if a muslim boy is hurt, it hurts me equally as much as if it might hurt a boy of my own community.

Once again, there are good muslims and bad muslims, good jews and bad jews, good hindus and bad hindus.

At some point, there are good people and bad people and religion doesn't become a point of bias in my line of thinking.

Once again, please read my messages/learn a bit about me, if you wish to respond to me, I would really appreciate it.

Have a nice day.

adnanc• 4 months ago

Nothing shocks anymore

With all this brutality and dehumanisation, no wonder the IDF are seeing the highest rates of PTSD and suicide.

yostrovs• 4 months ago

What are you comparing to? The Irish military?

netsharc• 4 months ago

It's sort of mind-blowing to see 1940s being repeated. Of course both times the victim group were viewed as sub-human/barbaric "other"... Before someone yells "Godwin!", read the Wikipedia page about that law, Godwin himself said it's fine to mention Nazis when it's actually a comparable thing.

If you have 3 hours, there's a documentary you can watch, about a man who was part of a government-sanctioned killsquad to kill a lot of "communists" in 1960's Indonesia: The Act of Killing (available at e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q ).

It's sort of understandable why the defenders of the genocide have to keep defending it. Stopping doing so today would mean admitting that until yesterday you've been defending utter inhumanity.

A review:

Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing is a challenging documentary. It is not only difficult to watch, but it also probes into one of the most grotesque aspects of human nature: the capacity for self-delusion in the face of horrific atrocities. This isn’t a film about history, facts, or statistics; it’s about the memories of the men who killed, the stories they tell themselves, and how they continue to live with the horrors they’ve inflicted on others. The film’s power lies in its ability to take the viewer beyond a surface-level understanding of evil and into the psychological abyss of those who have committed atrocities—and seemingly moved on with their lives.

From: https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/

iJohnDoe• 4 months ago

Genuine question. Are you indicating the IDF are not supporters or don’t believe in what they are doing? Their actions are forced because of duty?

I guess if a massacre is a massacre then it would have a high chance of affecting those involved regardless of belief.

amunozo• 4 months ago

I think even if they agree at first, this can be traumatic anyway. If I remember correctly, I read about Vietnam veterans that killed civilians including children out of anger and then were horribly traumatized. So both things can be true.

Hikikomori4• 4 months ago

"The claims that the IDF abused a toddler are completely unfounded and serve Hamas propaganda." The spokesperson said.
"On the contrary: The toddler was brought by a Hamas operative into a dangerous area to be used as a human shield.

Same old denials as usual, aren't they getting tired? These spokespersons don't know anything, their only job is to deny that anything happened. Which does work a lot if there are no witnesses or video. Same deal with the ambulances or journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh.

Deny. Deflect. Gaslight. Obfuscate. And if irrefutable evidence emerges, they deserved it. Weaponised narcissism by a country.

burnt-resistor4• 4 months ago

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender (DARVO).

Apropos: 'Iran and Gaza Are ONLY THE BEGINNING' (Chris Hedges at Princeton) March 2026

https://youtu.be/TV9dkU2E8j0

Hikikomori4• 4 months ago

Well that was depressing. While I already held these opinions I had some hope that what I believed wasn't true, because I didn't like what that would say about the us. A lot of people are going to have their 'are we the baddies?' moment in the near future.

amazingman• 4 months ago

Are you claiming the Hamas does not use the entire civilian population under their rule as human shields? I hope not, because that reality is obvious. It's not merely individuals, either: it's policy.

(Before responding with rhetoric in the other direction, please note that I have not taken a position on Israel here.)

Hikikomori4• 4 months ago

Where would they go where there isn't civilians that isn't just target practice for Israel?

But let's flip it, Israel does it, like outting a military HQ in a mall.

It's just an excuse used by Israel to obliterate any building they want. Hamas shot some missile from there 10 minute's ago (why would they stay around?), so they send a bomb that takes out the block. Any civilians were just human shields anyway.

donkeybeer• 4 months ago

I think I should find some datsset about Israeli citizens and with a configurable radius determine how many civilians live within radius of an IDF or Mossad member. Then compare the numbers against Palestine.

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

This has been flagged twice by people of Hackernews.

I genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith but I will still try to do my best.

Previous discussion (at edit 27 points): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47553964

Unless someone gives me a genuine reason as to why people are flagging it and the people who are flagging it can come state the reason publicly, just as how I am able to defend that this should be talked about and discussed publicly. I will continue to re-post this.

I just want to raise awareness and not let censorship win.

This post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post. I hope I can convey that and I hope that the streisand effect plays a part here and people become well aware of this post.

@dang, can you please prevent such posts from getting flagged? Unless there is a reason as to why these might get flagged from a hackernews moderation standpoint, it feel as if a blatant misuse of the abuse feature.

Have a nice day.

JumpCrisscross4• 4 months ago

genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith

Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link. Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing.

post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post

If it’s not political, it’s irrelevant. Gawking at humanitarian disaster isn’t a popular pass-time outside narrow bands of the internet.

If you’re posting it to effect change, it is political. That’s fine. But I’m also sceptical why this would be expected to change the balance of views on the wars in the region. IDF and Hamas—the former, probably due to resources, at larger scale than the latter—being horrible to captives is well established.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link

This wasn't the case with the previous post that I mentioned yet it got flagged

? . Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing.

When the post had gotten flagged/ I had thought of giving another link like msn (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-toddler-released-f...) and this is a bit more in-depth (https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/palesti...)

But I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong

Also oops, yea I had just the link of archive.org and not the proper link (https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...)

I am editing this for that, thank you for suggesting this!

Edit: I can't edit the hackernews post, I am a bit sorry then to hackernews community for just sharing the archive.org link but I had accidentally pasted just the archive link instead, a bit sorry about that, perhaps moderators (if they wish) can change to this particular link or if someone wants to read it: https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...

dang2• 4 months ago

This subthread was originally in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 before we merged the threads. (I mention this because otherwise the bit about archive links doesn't make sense.)

ThrowawayR2• 4 months ago

The site moderators have said that they do not see @ mentions. If you want to reach them, use the email address on the contact page linked at the bottom of the page.

Re-submitting links to try to force attention to it is also not the correct approach. If you believe a story has been wrongly flagged, directly email the HN administrators with a link to the original submission.

f33d5173• 4 months ago

This is not the right forum for this discussion. Flagging is exactly the correct response.

anukin2• 4 months ago

I generally don’t like something not related to tech in hacker news. Humanitarian crisis is happening across the world. There were no posts here for Sudanese people. None for Nigerian Christians or Bangladeshi Hindus. Or is humanitarian crisis only happen when certain people are involved in them? I have noticed this all across the wider web. Only when Muslims suffer from hands of non Muslims, there are protests and posts in support of them. Pakistan is openly committing human rights violations against baluchis and have done it against Bangladeshi Hindus. Sudan and Somalia have both been supported by the gulf countries. Maybe start protesting and have same amount of human feelings for non Muslims as well.

defrost2• 4 months ago

There were no posts here for Sudanese people.

You've made two submissions, neither were about Sudan.

None for Nigerian Christians

Here's one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45789043

Only when Muslims suffer from hands of non Muslims, there are protests and posts in support of them.

There are vast numbers of posts about Ukraine and its attack by Russia. Daily I see many comments expressing human feelings for people across the spectrum, muslim, non muslim, male, female, et al.

Perhaps your impressions are a little blinkered.

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

Pakistan is openly committing human rights violations against baluchis and have done it against Bangladeshi Hindus

Hello, I am an Indian (Hindu) person, I have made my stance extremely clear when the recent attack on India was done by terrorists in which there was a religious angle as well where Islamist extremist terrorists asked to recite an Islamic prayer otherwise they were shot.

That event has traumatized me as well, I may not have submitted it but there has always been a conflict between Hindus and Muslims after the British divided us.

I also support the baloch movement, in the sense that, Pakistani corruption/militarial aggression has severely underfunded the region while its get its resources extracted from.

So, if anything, according to your comment, you should feel like I should be against all of muslims.

but that is not the case, there are good muslims and bad muslims, just as how there are good jews and bad jews and just as how there are good and bad hindus

Essentially, religion doesn't play a role in good or bad but religion certainly extremizes the elements

In this case it was religious extremist agression from Israel (Jewish faith) to Islam/Palestine.

In our case it was religious extremist aggression from Islamist Extremist terrorist to India in pahalgam attack which had shook the nation to its core.

My point is, I can't/won't see Innocent people/kids dying, and yes, this goes beyond religion, for the most part.

I have also been aware of the sudanese people, its a real tragedy where UAE/Dubai are funding opposite sides and rape/murder/slaughtering of Innocent people are also happening, its really scary as well.

Maybe start protesting and have same amount of human feelings for non Muslims as well.

I kind of do, It's just that Innocent Muslims are dying in higher proportions simply because they are in war-torn regions caused by Israel/US in this case of Iran/Palestine.

I genuinely want all wars to go over and have either an element of co-existence or mutual agreement for the most part.

TomeveilSeeker• 4 months ago

It just proves again how White people think suffering is only for "WHITE PEOPLE", for other barbarian people, it doesn't matter.

Hackernews is dominated by white people and Indians, it's not surprising they support rape and all other crimes of Israel. If it was not the case, then this should have been surprising.

Imustaskforhelp8• 4 months ago

I am an Indian (Hindu), Ironically, People have accused me of only caring about only Muslim feelings (:

I don't stand with rape and all other crimes of Israel because I don't judge these actions by the religion of the victims and yes, even if that might mean that, that religion might have done the same to us (Pahalgam attack which shook the nation)

I think my point is, just because muslim extremism has impacted our lives doesn't mean that Innocent muslims, especially kids should be tortured. I am more than happy if everyone removes extremist element, period.

I have said this consistently here, but this goes beyond any religion. People are treating it as a muslim kid being impacted but I am seeing it as my kid being impacted.

This war started recently, the people living their didn't know this could happen to them

We dont know the future, what if something like this might happen to one of us where the enemy might be someone else, maybe even Extremist Islam

I have raised my voice against opresssion, I don't discriminate against who I speak or not as I try to speak against the wrong, as long as someone innocent is getting opressed, My heart goes out to them and religion shouldn't have to do too much with it.

My idea maybe is that too, that, if we show support of normal people even if religious differences collide, we can show that we are beyond religion and actually help bring down Extremism/will help them bring internal resistance too if something bad is done from their extremist side.

At some point, I believe in Humanity and sharing that Humanity, So its quite shocking to say, but, its best that we start treating muslim people as humans too.

Atleast that's what my religion has taught me personally, I really don't discriminate based on religion for the most part but I do understand why people might do that but I feel like all it does is seperate us even further and I wouldn't be able to have a coherent moral framework if I become hypocritical in who I criticize/don't and become partial to it.

burnt-resistor4• 4 months ago

Yep, it's Global North, class, and privilege bias. Unconscious to conscious racism that pervades the Global North as superior and more meaningful than the suffering of others locally or in distant lands because they're not as rich or don't look like them. History and the modern day are replete examples: African slaves in the Americas, American Indians, (Monroe Doctrine), Armenia, Vietnam, Bosnia, Rwanda, East Timor, Sudan, Darfur, Afghanistan, Iraq, Uygurs, Rohingya, many more ... and then comes Ukraine and "Oh, no, not pale Europeans" solidarity lasted for a couple of years with not as much support as 2022.

OTOH, while the Shoah (Holocaust) is a crucial case study in history and human nature that hints at systematic repression and humiliation suffered by Jews and similar groups in various forms for 2300+ years, it was perverted by some into exceptionalism justification for neocolonial ethno-religio-nationalist supremacy in the realm of Kahanism and its allied supporters in government.

khaledh2• 4 months ago

The list keeps growing.

- Flour massacre

- World Central Kitchen drone strikes

- Gaza aid distribution massacres

- Rafah paramedics massacre

- Targeting of journalists

- Forced starvation

- Crop destruction

Israel will deny all of those. But the world have seen it with their own eyes.

snthpy• 4 months ago

There seem to be two fundamentally incompatible interpretations of "Never again" [1]. I thought it was a no brainer for universal adoption, but TIL that for some it means more of the same.

1: Never again - Wikipedia https://share.google/LGCVvfaJFeJOizox9

johnbarron• 4 months ago

"Israeli politician Yitzik Kroizer endorses targeting children": https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1s42uo8/isr...

"IDF assault and arrest CNN journalists covering the settlements": https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1s5zzey/isr...

"Israel responsible for two-thirds of record 129 press killings in 2025" - https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/feb/25/record-number-...

Glant• 4 months ago

Let's not forget all the raping of prisoners

khaledh2• 4 months ago

And the killing of Hind Rajab, her family, and the paramedics that went to help her.

burnt-resistor4• 4 months ago

Raping with the sharp end of knives requiring surgical intervention.

cat-turner• 4 months ago

they are also coming in and taking lands from the Palestinians by being annoying. like tearing down the homes they try to fix.

Gaza toddler returned with alleged torture wounds after Israeli detention

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