Grok Exposed a Porn Performer's Legal Name and Birthdate–Without Being Asked

https://www.404media.co/grok-doxing-real-names-birthdates-siri-dahl/

by latexr • 5 months ago

65 33 5 months ago

ThrowawayTestr• 5 months ago

If grok knew that it must have been publically available information.

chrisjj4• 5 months ago

Indeed. <plays very small violin>.

well_ackshually2• 5 months ago

Are you so fundamentally limited that you can't see the difference between "it's somewhere on the internet if you look very hard" and "a chatbot ingested petabytes of data and you can't ever escape it anymore", or is it just misogyny and hating sex workers ?

collingreen• 5 months ago

Why is that true? Especially with such "must have been" certainty?

Or is "publicly available" used here to include data breaches and data sold by gray area data brokers? If this is your point then what would qualify as private information ? If this isn't your point

pavel_lishin2• 5 months ago

But should that information ever have been publicly available? Someone else here linked to another instagram account publishing the same data, but that sure sounds like she didn't put it out there.

It's like saying that someone publishing your bank account balance or nude photos is fine, because someone once stole that data and released it on the internet.

manbash• 5 months ago

No, it's not. You assume it was stolen, while it wasn't implied in that comment. They simply stated that the data have been put publicly at some point or another.

venusenvy47• 5 months ago

Is this true? I thought Musk and his DOGE team tapped into many government databases. There were many reports a year ago.

shaderguy1416• 5 months ago

idk who I can talk about a Facebook Meta Ai which added some sexual features to an influencer for an add for a company x. The company x doesn't wanna talk about and influencer y also doesn't wanna talk about it.

Which makes me think what other things like this has happened with Ai.

jlawer• 5 months ago

For Grok’s sake you hope this is data that was public, something that was buried deep that it has surfaced.

It’s a shame transparency is so poor here. A simple grep of the training data would likely give a clear explanation of where this has come from.

zamadatix• 5 months ago

Grokipedia (an online encyclopedia run by xAI and steered by Grok) lists a few sources for it directly, even in old copies of the entry https://web.archive.org/web/20251225113339/https://grokipedi...

Grok shouldn't be serving this kind of information IMO, and it's yet another serial example of xAI just not caring about real problems, but the even bigger crime is these services she is paying thousands to seem to have done jack other than give a false sense of security while happily taking their money. A time bound Google search and verification of pages from the Wayback Machine confirms this information has been all over social media and other sites constantly for the last decade.

If I were cynical I'd say this was just a publicity stunt, but the truth is probably really just sad all around: lack of ability to keep such things private, leechers making people think you can just pay and information disappears from the internet, Grok amplifying the problem by being run by people who don't really care about what it does...

lazide• 5 months ago

LLMs are fundamentally not deterministic or predictable the way people think they are, and it shows up pretty clearly in situations like this. It isn’t even as deterministic or predictable as a human. And humans aren’t particularly deterministic or predictable.

Grok, like Tesla FSD, is also kinda half assed, so it shows up even more prominently on that front.

harambae• 5 months ago

It's usually available through various indirect means. For example, the person who applies to trademark their stage name [0]. (People in the comments are comparing this to revenge porn, but legally it's completely different.)

[0] https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn88576104&docI...

CqtGLRGcukpy• 5 months ago

For when the article goes behind a paywall: https://archive.ph/EOL7V

hiccuphippo• 5 months ago

I've been paying for data removal services for like, at least six years now

Do such services actually work? The internet is forever.

dmix• 5 months ago

The tech industry was very much against the idea when it first came about. It was only really enforced by a few big companies because of some European law and this lady being from Europe likely excepts information on the internet to be controlled in a centralized way.

There's also been some revenge porn laws in the US that have some cross over. But it's definitely mostly hopes and dreams if you have the money to spend, not something strictly practical.

Legend2440• 5 months ago

Kind of? They can get you off the first page of Google, which is often enough to keep employers from seeing it.

c22• 5 months ago

Unless they ask grok!

walletdrainer• 5 months ago

Yes they work, no it isn’t.

The sketchier ones will get content taken down with fake court orders and similar.

randyrand3• 5 months ago

I feel like the bigger issue - from an anonymity perspective - is that she is publicly showing her real face while doing these things, no?

7bit• 5 months ago

You think the bigger issue is the thing she does voluntary, and that the lesser issue is that Grok leaked something without her consent, that she protected for over a decade?

Are you serious?

chrisjj4• 5 months ago

You have some reason to think she didn't reveal her legal name voluntarily?

And Grok didn't leak anything. Her legal name was already public for years.

ShowalkKama• 5 months ago

how did grok gain access to this supposedly private information? Did it pilfer her private emails? Did it hack the producer's website and gained access to confidential files? Did it look through her computer?

Look, I hate grok just as much as the next person but if it was just crawled then by definition it is not private.

You may very well argue that people are harassing her (and that it's not ok), you may even argue that AI should not facilitate such harassment but to call publicly available information private is mental gymnastic.

randyrand3• 5 months ago

From a privacy perspective, doing something voluntarily doesn't negate anything. It's still the bigger privacy issue.

selridge• 5 months ago

If the bigger issue to you is that people have a face attached to their bodies then you are off base.

1970-01-01• 5 months ago

Too bad it didn't happen to a politician's girlfriend.

phendrenad2• 5 months ago

This isn't specifically a Grok problem, this is an LLM training problem. Internet archive captures some personal info -> LLMs train on it -> you get your data scrubbed from IA, but forget to remove it from LLMs (will Google or OpenAI even respond to your email without legal letterhead..?)