Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files

by dvrp • 5 months ago

488 103 5 months ago

Related: Show HN: JeffTube - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47030797

lukeigel6• 5 months ago

Jmail maintainer and co-creator here. Very excited to see that someone finally made Jemini good!

Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.

embedding-shape4• 5 months ago

Jmail maintainer and co-creator here.

Great, I've been looking to be able to contact you somewhere, hardly a better place :) Thanks for sharing the project btw, and for keeping jmail alive, been useful to dig into some stuff.

However, there seems to be some "injected" or "fake" emails, that I cannot figure out why they're there in the first place. For example this one: https://jmail.world/thread/55b91b46ef1e4487bee131a8505e14a4?...

For that example, the first problem is that there is no link to the source file from the disclosed files, which is strange, because most other emails have that. Secondly, this almost seems to be a "sponsored" email or something, as it has an ad in the top right corner reading "Sponsored by Drop Site News", but clicking that just takes you to some general page, with no clear information how that's related to the fake/injected email. Also, what does "Verified by X" actually mean, did they verify the authenticity of that specific email?

There seems to be a bunch of people confused by those emails and wondering where they are coming from, because it's missing the source link like the others, so there doesn't seem to be a good way to verify those emails. Could you maybe share a bit about what's going on?

3rodents2• 5 months ago

That’s just a campaign email with “Pedophiles” as the recipient name, right? Anyone can sign an email address up to a mailing list. All of Trump’s campaign emails are these type of overly friendly weird junk.

lukeigel6• 5 months ago

Yeah, those are mailing lists that people signed him up for after he died, including with a joke name.

He was a very famous figure in August 2019, and normal people spammed his inbox with emails like the below

https://jmail.world/thread/4accfb5f3ed84656e9762740081a4579?...

These are all real emails! We can do a better job making this clear to the user.

aizk• 5 months ago

You guys are going to get a pultizer in journalism at this rate keep it up.

croisillon• 5 months ago

or a FIFA Prize in Journalism at the very least

wiseleo• 5 months ago

Monumental and amazing work. Thank you!

CollinEMac• 5 months ago

I'm curious what your operational costs are and how we can help. I don't see a donation link anywhere.

aiddun2• 5 months ago

https://jmail.world/donate

mminer237• 5 months ago

Recently he said he had a $50k hosting bill but that the CEO of Vercel offered to cover them and help them start some optimization.

llbbdd12• 5 months ago

I can think of some ways you could benefit the world without spending a cent

lenerdenator• 5 months ago

I just wanted to say that you're doing really important work.

ddtaylor• 5 months ago

You guys are doing awesome stuff. I was in the process of loading all of the documents into a vector database to query and then you dropped Jemini.

I wanted to reach out and avoid duplication of efforts, but I didn't know the best person to reach out to for this or if this is anything that can be collaborated on.

upmind3• 5 months ago

Is it possible to make jmail open source? Would love to contribute! e.g., the search functionality is quite poor with little filtering available. Jtube doesn't let you sort by views etc etc

rrr_oh_man• 5 months ago

Hey Luke, hijacking this:

Are you planning to add date-sorted messages and deduplication/thread view at any point?

I would love to help out, if needed.

krainboltgreene3• 5 months ago

This feels like an insanely bad idea.

sperr11• 5 months ago

Care to elaborate?

spankalee• 5 months ago

If it's using an LLM it'll make stuff up... about people and sex trafficking.

8note• 5 months ago

for another angle - depending on the provider, theyre going to train on these queries and responses, and i dont want folks training an Epstein LLM, or accidentally putting Epstein behaviour into LLMs

SlightlyLeftPad• 5 months ago

Interesting, I had the opposite feeling.

heisgone• 5 months ago

Great! This, along with Webb, the other Epstein AI tool, are amazing effort to find documents. The way you link to files instead of just outputing an answer is amazing. Great works!

venusenvy47• 5 months ago

The Jamazon interface is really nice. I like how clicking on the order number takes you to the email. But I'm not going spend much time on there, after seeing his order for Lolita next to orders for kid toys.

https://jmail.world/jamazon

baxtr• 5 months ago

Interesting. The majority of items seems to be books.

SauntSolaire• 5 months ago

Along with the orders for kids school uniform skirts a bit later.. tough viewing in context.

Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read. Hard to swallow having anything in common with such a person.

I would have also assumed he got his clothes from much fancier places than Amazon, considering his wealth. Can't beat two day shipping I guess.

Altogether his Amazon orders are disturbing in places, but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.

ZpJuUuNaQ5• 5 months ago

Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read.
but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.

I am obviously not defending him or anything, but it always puzzles me how any of this confuses people. Whoever we may be, we are also humans, sharing common human traits and habits, and other people are just as real as we are. Every living moment, you unavoidably share at least some of the common beliefs, ideas, preferences, biases, habits, norms, values, goals, desires, fears, tastes, jokes, expectations, opinions and more with people you'd otherwise absolutely abhor.

aiddun2• 5 months ago

Jamazon creator here - thank you!

If you like interesting ecom UIs, shamelessly plugging my Show HN from today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47041288

embedding-shape4• 5 months ago

Interesting stuff! I'm also slowly diving into the whole Epstein thing, mainly focused on a human-curated wiki (at https://corroborators.wiki, still WIP obviously) and I've had some contributors wanting to use AI for basically filling out details automatically. But I'm using LLMs daily for programming, so I know how much they get wrong.

So about that specific thing, how do you avoid this particular problems with LLMs getting basic things wrong and basically being a lottery if the answer is correct or not? It's the reason I've avoided (and encouraged others to avoid it to) using LLMs too heavily in the process of reading, understanding and summarizing documents, but clearly you've must have figured out some trick to this?

widdershins• 5 months ago

Ask it to cite the document and page, and verify it yourself.

SLWW• 5 months ago

It's passing the initial sniff test; this might be the first valuable use of AI I've seen in a good minute

dvrp4• 5 months ago

We're also skeptical of how AI is being used. Let us know if you have obvious horrible mistakes so we can fix them.

jeron• 5 months ago

i know it's hyperbole but come on

pembrook• 5 months ago

Yea every other use case beyond feeding the hysterical Epstein conspiracy machine has been totally worthless. All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid.

On the other hand, providing more fuel for sweaty basement dwellers to invent fake stories about elite lizard people while trashing the civil liberties of thousands of random innocents contacted by this dude? I can think of no better use case.

llbbdd12• 5 months ago

Upvoting for making me feel sane. I don't understand the level of attention paid to this shit, and it makes the people invested in it seem orders of magnitude more perverted than the financier himself is purported to be.

_345• 5 months ago

i can't wait for this epstein crap to end

monegator• 5 months ago

All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid

yes?

mentalgear2• 5 months ago

After 10 years in it, semantic search (where the human is knowledgable enough to verify) has been and still is the most useful field for LLMs.

hkt• 5 months ago

Why on earth does he have CPAP pipes, an oxygen concentrator, and a pulse oximeter? This is dated 2019 so I assume he was having sleep apnea, but in my nightmares I assume he's keeping someone in a coma.

Xss3• 5 months ago

Thats an incredibly unsettling thought.

Slothrop99• 5 months ago

His brother said he had a CPAP machine in his jail cell. (EFTA00113460)

llbbdd12• 5 months ago

What a crazy subthread. You identified an obvious normal reason for him to have those things and then invented another reason, and then people agreed with you.

hugh-avherald• 5 months ago

Epstein Scandal Update: Epstein sleeps nude in a oxygen tent which he believes gives him SEXUAL POWERS!

tehjoker• 5 months ago

When LLMs first came out, my initial impulse, though I didn't pursue it, was that the summarization function was ideal for sorting through FOIA requests. So glad to see stuff like this come to fruition.

varjag• 5 months ago

Fedorovism at home

hokkos• 5 months ago

this ai is too much "aligned" to return anything of value, considering the content it has to look into and the questions it needs to answer.

dvrp4• 5 months ago

What do you mean?

As in, OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google's models won't follow instructions regarding forensics for this?

NamlchakKhandro• 5 months ago

Who here is naive enough to think that this little loop hole hasn't been nicely tied off?

lukeigel6• 5 months ago

Bring your own key and use Claude. We found that it's most willing to run deep research queries here.

pillefitz• 5 months ago

Which model is being used? Is there an unrestricted open weight model that could be used?

upmind3• 5 months ago

They should use Grok, it feels the most open out of the big 4

zinodaur• 5 months ago

I wonder if we can trust Gemini to do its job well here? Whoever is being protected in those files obviously has the power to compel governments to do what they want - if Gemini started being a threat, I bet it would get some "alignment" help. Certainly its findings would be reported, as well as the identity of whoever was doing the prompting

alhadrad2• 5 months ago

It cannot be trusted.

stevage• 5 months ago

Getting 500s now:

The search failed because there was an internal server error (status 500) when trying to access the document search tool. The web search also did not return any usable results.

egonschiele• 5 months ago

Brilliant. This is like the internet at its peak (to me) where it was all about building neat things and helping people. Just a bunch of engineers saying they are not planning to look away from the Epstein files. More projects like this, please.

Surac• 5 months ago

I hope it is not after underaged girls

mentalgear2• 5 months ago

Finally, this is a great use-case of vibe-coding: making hard to parse data accessible and understandable for the public. Though it's unfortunate it appears not to be open-source.

alhadrad2• 5 months ago

It failed to find a reference: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA001747...

Question: Does Blues Traveler appear in the Epstein files? Blues Traveler

Answer: Yes, "Blues Traveler" appears in the files, but not in a way that directly connects the band to Jeffrey Epstein or his activities.

Key Findings:

XM Radio Mention: An email from "XM Signal" dated July 8, 2008, mentions a "Starbucks XM Café Live with Blues Traveler" event. [1] This appears to be a reference to a broadcast or performance by the band on XM Satellite Radio. Analysis:

The searches did not reveal any direct involvement of the band "Blues Traveler" with Jeffrey Epstein or his associates. The mention found is in the context of a radio event.

It's important to distinguish this from the multiple mentions of "Blue Water Café," which is a restaurant and appears in several travel itineraries. [2][3][4]

Further Investigation:

If you have a specific reason to believe "Blues Traveler" might be connected, please provide more details. For instance, was there a particular event, person, or date you had in mind? This could help refine the search.

hedora• 5 months ago

After playing around with vector db's for a bit, I got tired of this sort of thing.

There's a reason most of the industry has switched to letting agents grep + navigate within the results.

Come to think of it, it's probably the same reason "intelligent" search engines were so consistently hated by end users, and never really panned out during the early 2000's.

kgwxd• 5 months ago

I don't know how much more cynicism I can achieve, but now I can access the data I need to build it up at super human speed! I'm thinking I'll surpass last-days George Carlin by Midsummer Eve.

ideashower• 5 months ago

This is well made - is it open source?

upmind3• 5 months ago

+1. Would love to contribute!

SpaceManNabs• 5 months ago

A few people i looked up and found in the dataset don't pop up in this. Don't want to mention who here of course...

but the other people cc'ed in the particular emails i found do pop up though. weird.

rayruizhiliao• 5 months ago

nice! we scraped the epstein library: https://youtu.be/ahP7fJKEewE?si=82AEodI2bgbsmwR0

Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files

Related Stories