Heroku Support for .NET 10

https://www.heroku.com/blog/support-for-dotnet-10-lts-what-developers-need-know/

by runesoerensen • 8 months ago

117 43 8 months ago

I lament what could have been with heroku. I did some back of the envelope calculations for what it would have cost for my own startup to run on it and it came out to significantly more than what it costs us on aws INCLUDING our dedicated devops guy. They really killed its utility for anything bigger than a hobby project.

sleepy_keita• 8 months ago

Yeah. It used to be the go-to for starting simple projects. We have quite a bit of other options in this space now, though - GH Pages, Cloudflare workers, Vercel, Netlify, etc etc...

cpursley2• 8 months ago

Those are static site providers. For actual server paas that can run docker containers, render.com and fly.io are what heroku could have evolved to.

catlover76• 8 months ago

I lament what could have been with heroku. I did some back of the envelope calculations for what it would have cost for my own startup to run on it and it came out to significantly more than what it costs us on aws INCLUDING our dedicated devops guy.

That's...nuts. o_O

Are you doing something special, do you guys already have a lot of traffic?

dtech• 8 months ago

No, Heroku is just bonkers expensive

czhu12• 8 months ago

This is exactly why we built https://canine.sh, to try to rebuild Heroku in the open source

We begged heroku for years to lower their prices but they just kept increasing it.

I even showed a rep a side by side comparison of heroku vs raw AWS costs and it was 8x. Absolutely couldn’t justify

gosukiwi• 8 months ago

Isn't Dokku doing that already?

kirillkosolapov• 8 months ago

As the founder of a local cloud very similar to Heroku, I understand Heroku's limitations. It's a balance between control and convenience. The simpler everything is, the better it's suited for small projects, but the less control you have for complex projects. Unless you're just running a hobby project, you'll be using Kubernetes and similar services with full control and the complexity that comes with it. Heroku uses AWS, which means they can't make computations cheaper, otherwise the economics don't add up.

In my experience, we (I won't advertise) have prices several times lower, and we try very hard to accommodate more serious projects, but 99% of projects are small and consume less than 200 MB of RAM. This is simply the nature of this market and product.

cpursley2• 8 months ago

I’ll bite, what’s your product. I’m always interested in these types of platforms.

mycall• 8 months ago

Is there some layers that run over kubernetes that makes it work similar to heroku in ease? That would either be the best or the worst of both worlds, unsure.

netdevphoenix• 8 months ago

It's hard to compare, surely as heroku is basically aws + virtual 24/7 generic dev ops guy. Aws will always be cheaper because heroku itself runs on it. Afaik, the USP of heroku is deployment ease for small/medium projects. If you need complex setups, you need to roll your own in aws.

bastawhiz• 8 months ago

I suppose congrats to Salesforce for inventing the most expensive way to run .Net 10?

keyle• 8 months ago

$1 per function call is possible. /s

SeriousM• 8 months ago

Isn't that what make.com tries to achieve? Already at 1c per node invocation...

mythz• 8 months ago

How does running on expensive clouds become newsworthy?

christophilus• 8 months ago

I upvoted it before reading, thinking it was Haiku (OS) not Heroku (overpriced SaaS thing). Maybe others did the same?

weird-eye-issue2• 8 months ago

Just you

oofbey• 8 months ago

TIL: Heroku is still online. A shadow of its former self but still there.

kwanbix3• 8 months ago

.net is probably one of the top 10 worst names in history or is it only me?

runjake2• 8 months ago

Probably. But I got over it 25 years ago. I think of it as “dotnet” in my head which seems better.

locusofself• 8 months ago

this is the way .. I mostly just think of it as c# too (I know f# etc exists but nobody I know is using it)

jumpkick• 8 months ago

Do people say .net in some way other than "dotnet"? Or did I misunderstand?

rk062• 8 months ago

No, you are not alone.for non-tech population, it may make sense that .NET 5 is continuation of .NET 4. But the tech crowd knows .net 5 is to .net 4 is what angular 2 is to angular 1.

With .net 4 still in active use, the naming makes it harder

runesoerensen4• 8 months ago

Might be more confusing when you consider that ".NET 5" is actually the continuation of ".NET Core 3.1", not ".NET Framework 4.x"[0].

Microsoft has historically been pretty bad at naming stuff (sometimes hilariously so, see Microsoft PlaysForSure[1] for an example - spoiler: it surely didn't play for long).

The rebranding from .NET Core 3.1 to .NET 5, and from .NET 4.x to .NET Framework, did make sense to me though - and increasingly so as development continues on ".NET > 5" with yearly releases, while ".NET Framework 4.x" is in maintenance mode.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/whats-new/dotn...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PlaysForSure

pjc50• 8 months ago

No, that's Microsoft's other work in the XBox line. Try saying "Xbox Series X" and "Xbox Series S" and "XBox One S" to ten normal people and asking them to find the correct matching product in a store.

kwanbix3• 8 months ago

You are missing Xbox One X there!

andsoitis• 8 months ago

Some fun ones:

- Colgate Kitchen Entrees

- Ayds Diet Candy

- Gerber in Africa (in many regions, it is customary for labels to show what's inside. Having a baby on the bottle is just weird)

- Chevrolet Nova (no va means "don't go")

- Clairol Mist Stick (in Germany. In German, Mist means manure)

- Pee Cola (Ghana)

- Puffs Tissues (Germany) (in German slang, Puff means brothel)

- Nokia Lumia (prostitute in Spanish slang)

- ISIS Chocolates (Belgium)

- Hitachi's Woopie Washing Machine (cute to a Japanese ear, but not to that of an English speaker)

kwanbix3• 8 months ago

Well, Suzuki Pajero which in (some?) spanish (dialects) means Suzuki Wanker.

tlhunter• 8 months ago

Day 1 support for a new runtime is impressive.

How long does it take AWS Lambda to support the latest Node.js LTS release?

runesoerensen4• 8 months ago

I wrote this post - for anyone curious, Heroku's .NET support is built on our open source .NET Cloud Native Buildpack (CNB), which is written in Rust and produces standard OCI images.

You can use it anywhere, even locally, for free. The example in the post uses the .NET 10 file-based app feature we added support for today, so if you want to try the same functionality locally, you can do something like this:

  # Create a minimal .NET 10 file-based app
  echo 'Console.WriteLine("Hello HN");' > Hello.cs

  # Build an OCI image using the .NET CNB
  pack build hello-hn --builder heroku/builder:24

  # Run it with Docker
  docker run --rm -it --entrypoint hello hello-hn

  # Output:
  Hello HN

The "classic" Heroku buildpack shown in the demo video is just a thin wrapper around the CNB implementation: https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks-dotnet

jf• 8 months ago

I came here to see if AppHarbor was still running and was pleased to see this post :D

runesoerensen4• 8 months ago

Hi Joel! I guess you could say AppHarbor's spirit lives on - ".NET on Heroku" feels like a pretty fitting successor to "Heroku for .NET", right?

Also, the AppHarbor blog is technically still running, so there's that :)

Hope you're doing well!

tehmantra• 8 months ago

Paketo buildpacks have also been updated with .NET 10 support day one. https://blog.paketo.io/posts/paketo-dotnet-10-support/

jve• 8 months ago

There is also .NET 10 release post for more general discussion on .NET 10 that somehow fell off the ranking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45888620

Heroku Support for .NET 10

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