Canadians give Liberals 4th mandate as Carney leads party to minority win

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/canadians-give-liberals-4th-mandate-as-carney-leads-party-to-minority-win/

by pseudolus • 1 year ago

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2OEH8eoCRo0• 1 year ago

Congrats Canada!

ainiriand• 1 year ago

Hands down my favourite Beatle.

voidfunc• 1 year ago

If Canada is smart they'll figure out a way to incentivize businesses and workers from knowledge economies like the coastal blue states to move there. I'd love to live and work in Canada but I'm not taking a massive pay cut to do it.

david-gpu4• 1 year ago

I refused moving from Canada to the US multiple times because the extra pay wasn't worth the downsides. There is value in things that are hard to translate into simple numbers like money. And that's as an immigrant to Canada.

MrGinkgo• 1 year ago

Curious, since I know little about Canada. What were the downsides for you?

Etheryte2• 1 year ago

I suspect they'll have to fry the housing crisis fish first, it doesn't matter how favorable your business environment is if nearly no one can afford to move and live there.

jessekv2• 1 year ago

To paraphrase a quote ;)

This country is the second largest in the world and filled mainly of forests. Only an organizing genius could produce a shortage of land and construction materials at the same time.

AlexandrB2• 1 year ago

Housing is absolutely insane up here. At least Carney seems to want to tackle the supply side[1] instead of adding more tax breaks and savings schemes for buyers.

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-double-pace-home-bui...

diego_moita• 1 year ago

workers from knowledge economies like the coastal blue states to move there

In the 1980's a British researcher living in the U.S. became angry with the election of Ronald Reagan and his desire of using A.I. research for military purposes. He then moved to Toronto.[1] Last year that scientist, Dr. Geoffrey Hinton, received the Nobel Prize for his research in A.I. that helped turn Toronto into a world hub in technology.

In the early 2000's it was the turn of an American scientist, angry with the policies of George W. Bush, moving to Edmonton, Alberta. This year that scientist Dr. Richard S. Sutton won the Turing prize for his research on Reinforcement Learning.

I have hopes that Donald Trump might become the best president that Canada never had.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/world/canada/the-man-who-...

AlexandrB2• 1 year ago

Canada has good universities, but not many notable tech companies. The last big one was RIM and they collapsed under the iPhone. Shopify seems to be doing OK though.

rchaud4• 1 year ago

I'd love to live and work in Canada but I'm not taking a massive pay cut to do it.

Then you have your answer. Canada is not "US with free healthcare". It has a different history, economic and political setup. A quarter of the population are Francophone, and they govern very differently from the rest of Canada. Canada's wealth is also concentrated in the mining and natural resources industries, not in knowledge economy services. You cannot tweak policy here and there and turn it into a nation of SaaS billionnaires any more than you could in the UK or France.

For a real-world juxtaposition of the differences, think of Blackberry. In 2007, they saw the iPhone and told their partners at AT&T that the bandwidth load a portable Youtube/Internet device would put on AT&T's towers would cause call interruptions. Lo and behold, they did: AT&T was synonymous with dropped calls from 2007-2010 [0], when they finally spent billions into upgrading their towers to 4G. Blackberry ultimately lost the handset market, but for many other reasons besides their oft-mocked reaction to the iPhone.

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/08/cnet.iphone.att.dropped....

MiguelX413• 1 year ago

You cannot tweak policy here and there and turn it into a nation of SaaS billionnaires any more than you could in the UK or France.

Why would any country *want* to do that?

snapplebobapple4• 1 year ago

That's not going to happen because the labor markets are fundamentally different. USA has a drastically stronger capital market that invests dramatically more in startups. While this is true, the wages will always be dramatically higher and the growth in jobs will always be dramatically more in the usa. After those companies grow decently, Canada will be the first or second stop for those USA startups looking to save some dough on wages hiring cheaper labor and as a place that will be much easier to migrate even cheaper third world labor to for a similar, cheaper purpose as hiring Canadian. Americans moving to Canada for Programming jobs will be ideological, not sound financial decision based.

david-gpu4• 1 year ago

Popularity polls always showed Polievre as a deeply unliked candidate, even within Conservative voters. It seems like many Conservatives remained loyal to their party while pinching their noses at Polievre, who lost in his own riding. He has not announced his resignation as party leader yet, though.

The leader of the social democratic party NDP did announce his resignation last night as he also lost his seat in parliament.

Lots of change in the upcoming weeks and months.

rchaud4• 1 year ago

Polievre, who lost in his own riding. He has not announced his resignation as party leader yet, though

His campaign against Mark Carney came down to his argument that Carney was not a legitimate PM due to being appointed by his party following Trudeau's resignation, rather than by competing and winning a parliamentary seat in an election.

Now the tables have turned: Carney has won his seat in the election, Polievre has lost his. Will Polievre hold himself to the same standard he held Carney to?

david-gpu4• 1 year ago

That was always a dumb argument. First, because our laws do not require the prime minister to be a member of parliament. Second, because Carney called for an election right away after becoming PM, which is a sensible thing to do anyway.

canucker20163• 1 year ago

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election

Before Election:

Liberal: 152 Conservative: 120 Bloc Quebecois: 33 NDP: 24 Green: 2

Election Results:

Liberal: 155 (+13 leading) == 168 Conservative: 133 (+11 leading) == 144 Bloc Quebecois: 21 (+2 leading) == 23 NDP: 5 (+2 leading) == 7 Green: 1

bko• 1 year ago

US perspective.

This is a surprising win for an incumbent party. Whenever I look at basic life issues in Canada I'm blown away. Somehow salaries for engineers are about half what they are in the US, but real estate prices are comparable in large cities. And nation wide the national come price is 678k compared to around 420k in US. Who does this work for?

The liberals have moderated a bit. I remember seeing an ad saying that if elected they would remove trade barriers between Canadian provinces, which is pretty crazy that they exist in the first place. Free trade within your borders should be the starting ante for a country

Finally, there was the increase in immigration which no one really seemed to ask for, that they're also pulling back now due to backlash.

Anyway, I don't really see the tide stemming but who knows. I can't remember a time in the US where an incumbent party has won on so many negatives.

canucker20163• 1 year ago

When Carney became a candidate for the Liberal Party leader, he seemed to mimic most of the Conservative talking points, i.e. get rid of carbon tax, etc.

But the 51st state/tariff talk from the south overrode whatever problems Canadians seemed to bitch about daily in 2024.

The immigration increase was a surprise for most Canadians - increase immigration by 4x without corresponding increase in support costs???

incomingpain2• 1 year ago

This is a surprising win for an incumbent party.

Extremely rare and improbable. It took the left wing of Canada to intentionally sabotage themselves and shift politics to the right. A bizarre choice with no benefit to themselves. Canada is no longer left wing I guess?

Whenever I look at basic life issues in Canada I'm blown away. Somehow salaries for engineers are about half what they are in the US, but real estate prices are comparable in large cities. And nation wide the national come price is 678k compared to around 420k in US. Who does this work for?

Senior IT positions are more like 3x the salary in the USA.

Housing is much worse than that. Shack in Canada, Mansion in the USA for the same pricing. Housing supply is greatly reduced by governments, housing demand is greatly increased by the federal government.

The liberals have moderated a bit. I remember seeing an ad saying that if elected they would remove trade barriers between Canadian provinces, which is pretty crazy that they exist in the first place. Free trade within your borders should be the starting ante for a country

Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper had significant majority governments who attempted multiple times to remove those trade barriers. there's a 0% chance Carney will be able to remove these barriers. In fact I predict more trade barriers will be going up soon.

It's not typically a huge problem because Canada is ridiculously wide. We are 2 hours from the USA for trade; but multiple days away from trading interprovincially. So we traditionally just trade with the usa, but TRUMP.

Finally, there was the increase in immigration which no one really seemed to ask for, that they're also pulling back now due to backlash.

Basically didnt even come up in the election. It was one of the censored subjects.

Anyway, I don't really see the tide stemming but who knows. I can't remember a time in the US where an incumbent party has won on so many negatives.

Consider the media. The incumbents gives billions of $ to the media who write puff pieces.

China interfered in our election to benefit the liberals. The state media wrote "Carney being targeted by china" but that is to say Carney was being targeted with SUPPORT.

rchaud4• 1 year ago

China interfered in our election to benefit the liberals.

That was your takeaway: China did it? Liberals were projected to lose more than 100 seats nationally as late as February 2025.

You can't think of any other major foreign figure that tried to insert himself into the conversation and thereby swing the election?

snapplebobapple4• 1 year ago

You have to look at all the parties and how they traditionally align to understand what happened. We have two very far left parties (green and NDP),a fairly far left party (Liberals) that is historically closer to center left a center right party (conservatives) and in quebec a quebec nationalist party (bloc). What we had this election was a massive move to center right with a big upswing in conservative votes and at the same time we had an utter collapse of the far left NDP and green party vote which mostly went liberal and a softening of support for bloc in Quebec that mostly went liberal. So the conservatives captured a percent of the popular vote that would have been a staggering majority at any other time and still lost because the concentration of the very far left vote into the liberals overwhelmed it.

I would also say the liberals have not moderated a bit, they just said and did some disingenuous things to trick people into thinking this guy was more like Chretien, when his books read like the green party mixed with greed. Time will tell if this view proves correct or not.

incomingpain2• 1 year ago

Mark Carney is most popular Prime Minister in history of Canada. 1.5 million more votes than anyone ever before.

Liberals at 45 year high.

Pierre Poilievre(leader of conservatives) in a safe conservative riding lost. Bucking multiple political science theories.

Conservatives at 37 year high, gaining significantly in the election.

Jagmeet Singh(leader of NDP) resigns after losing the NDP party status and his own riding; at their debt level they likely stop existing as a party.

Green Party only earnt 1 seat; Elizabeth May's riding. Her co-leader came in 5th place in his riding.

Very significant national unity crisis is now happening. Left wing no longer exists in Canada.

Carney to immediately start negotiating new trade and security agreement with Trump. Which is significantly more than CUSMA ever was. Estimated to add ~150 billion additional to the deficit. Trudeau said Canada would stop existing as a country if this happened.

xemoka2• 1 year ago

Canada's population grew by over 3 million since the last election. So yes, the parties will get more votes. That combined with the utter collapse of the NDP and Green party votes, meant more vote share goes to the Liberals and Conservatives.

The left wing has been rotting out from under the NDP's guidance for years. They are no longer a grass roots party and are primarily controlled through their central offices (both federally and provincially). Provincially the NDPs have been moving towards the center to govern for years as well, just look at the Alberta and BC NDPs and their policies/actions.

mikerg87• 1 year ago

The challenge now is to do enough to prevent Alberta and Saskatchewan from separating from Canada.

woleium• 1 year ago

People always say this, but how would they replace the federal funds?

canucker20163• 1 year ago

Carney did grow up in Edmonton, AB. Maybe that has some pull back West.

rchaud4• 1 year ago

The land on which those provinces sit are based on treaties signed between the First Nations and the government of Canada, not with the provinces, so that settles that.

xemoka2• 1 year ago

This. Exactly. Alberta and Saskatchewan did not exist as independent colonies. Treaties were with the federal government. This is a non-starter and will never happen as WEXIT separatists dream it could.

bathtub365• 1 year ago

Danielle Smith’s hands will be full with a healthcare contracts scandal that looks like it may be really bad, and also the embarrassment of aligning herself with a foreign dictator who wants to take Canada over.

Canadians give Liberals 4th mandate as Carney leads party to minority win

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