Porkbun partners with Proton

https://porkbun.com/products/proton_mail

107 88 1 year ago

Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings, this feels like a major misstep for a company that should prioritize neutrality. It makes me seriously question where Porkbun stands.

It's also really bad timing, given that Porkbun's website at the time of writing appears to have been hacked, and is serving an invalid certificate.

its-summertime• 1 year ago

Do you have any more info on the invalid certificate?

fenkett• 1 year ago

All I could find was this reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/PorkBun/comments/1jash9f/porkbun_ha... Edit for clarification, Porkbun loads fine for me, saw nothing abnormal there.

onlygoose• 1 year ago

I got served with an invalid certificate too, just for one hit, then the site loaded normally. Haven’t made a screenshot, but the certificate was issued by crewai dot com.

xyst• 1 year ago

Haven’t heard of any controversial political leanings in Proton Mail.

Only controversy I remember was this incident where PM was compelled by govt to release IP address of one of its users — https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280689

gruez• 1 year ago

Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings

??? Explain?

It makes me seriously question where Porkbun stands.

It's a cross selling partnership. Porkbun is referring its customers to use proton for mail hosting instead of fastmail or whatever. I'm not sure how that implies alignment of politics.

yieldcrv• 1 year ago

I had to look it up,

the “controversy” is that the CEO of Proton used his official proton twitter account to be excited about the US government appointment of someone that is likely to pursue antitrust sanctions against Big Tech. Fast Forward to now, this is true against Microsoft. He was also amused at Big Tech CEOs kissing up to Trump due to this specific threat of their monopolistic nature.

The CEO removed their posts and the company reaffirmed that was not in line with the neutral stance.

Vicariously invested people act like anyone that finds something beneficial in this administration is supposed to be ostracized.

And that even if the CEO had posted this on a personal account, “accountability” is needed and should affect everything he is a part of and benefits from, in order to cause financial pain, I think forever? I’m not sure what people want or expect, it doesn't feel fleshed out

noirbot4• 1 year ago

The CEO posted something, and then the official Proton account also followed up with a multi-post writeup of how democrats were all captured by big tech as if the appointed person in question wasn't a former tech lobbyist.

I don't think it should follow them forever, but for a company a lot of people are looking to to protect them against US government intrusion, picking this time specifically to @ mention Donald Trump and praise him appointing a big tech lobbyist and then have official company account defend him is certainly a bad look even if it mostly got deleted.

Things like email security and VPNs are 99% a business of "do you trust this company to defend you against a nation-state as best they can" and injecting themselves into what, for them, is international politics at very least shows questionable judgement.

If it was a post now about the action against Microsoft, sure. But preemptively praising someone's appointment feels very "kissing the ring" in a way that I don't want my trusted security company to be doing.

rendaw• 1 year ago

People have been recommending porkbun here hard, but I tried them based on that and the site crashed (503!) when I had symbols in my password!

This wouldn't surprise me, given their engineering abilities, and I'd be terrified to leave anything critical in their hands.

toomuchtodo• 1 year ago

I use them for all my domains, albeit with a passkey for my account. My domains are bought 10 years into the future though, so I rarely login.

chneu4• 1 year ago

I tried finding a reason to use Porkbun over something like namecheap and I couldn't.

The porkbun UI is just barebones, it isn't better than anything else.

Porkbun's prices are equal to or higher than most registrars.

I don't see configuration options in porkbun that I can't utilize with other registrars/dns hosts.

It seems like maybe porkbun has good customer service? I've had that elsewhere though, so again not a huge benefit for me. Support for domains isn't something I've ever really needed though.

I don't really understand why people are recommending porkbun like they are.

johnisgood3• 1 year ago

I prefer Gandi.

Larrikin• 1 year ago

Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings

Define the controversy and their leanings

noirbot4• 1 year ago

The CEO praised one of Trump's picks for an attorney overseeing internet regulation and then when asked about it, the official Proton account replied with multiple posts about how Democrats were sold out to big business and Republicans were the party of small business. Also about how J.D. Vance was the only person to want to talk to Proton about internet regulation. It's worth noting they also left out that the attorney in question lobbied for multiple big tech companies before being appointed and Proton's whole argument was "democrats are captured by big tech".

Then when further asked about it, the CEO essentially said he didn't actually know much about the situation and hadn't meant it as an endorsement despite the original posts essentially being a one-sided attack on Democrats and all praise for the current administration, including @ mentioning Donald Trump. He also kept saying "my comments from last year" when they were from December and the controversy was in Jan.

At best it seems quite naive from Proton's side to think the administration where Musk, Zuckerberg, and Cook were front row at the inauguration, and was generally funded by Musk, Thiel, Bezos and a raft of other VC folks is going to be more aggressive at regulating big tech companies and for internet privacy in general. At worst, they're trying to curry favor with/actually in favor of the current administration and don't want to admit it because a lot of their value as a business is for people who don't want the government to see their data.

exac• 1 year ago

Here is a news article: https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...

thisislife22• 1 year ago

It's just American political posturing and cancel culture. It's really annoying how pervasive black-and-white thinking is now in American political discourse that you cannot even say one good or bad thing about some American politician or policy, without every American jumping on you like you have a chosen a side you should be ready to die for!

The spillover of American politics to the internet is the saddest thing I've encountered online as a non-American because they are trying to force us into right- and left- echo chambers they've created to make us think about politics like them.

Please don't fall for this trap of "us vs them".

varun_ch• 1 year ago

I’m not sure if Porkbun still do it, but for a while they were also pushing those decentralized blockchain TLDs alongside the real ones, which feels a bit disingenuous.

techright75• 1 year ago

only really 'controversial' if yiu are a far left zealot. Everyone else is totally fine with it.

IndoorPatio2• 1 year ago

Porkbun is owned by republicans, so this alliance makes sense. People who don't want their money going to republicans will look elsewhere.

i80and2• 1 year ago

Do you have a source for this? I've been thinking of moving my domain names from Porkbun to an EEA company, but this would cinch the need to do that

LinuxBender• 1 year ago

I've been using Porkbun for my meme domains ever since I left the train-wreck that NetSol had become. broken back-ends, inability to update root server glue records, nobody left that knows the back-end, nobody left that understands how to use dig, etc... I split up my domains into multiple registrars based on category to avoid all the eggs in one basket rotting via cancel culture.

Porkbun are one of the few registrars that support IP restrictions on accounts so I can avoid pseudo 2FA SMS or propriety 2FA apps and they have a simple UI. I have no use for Proton however. If I want to send secure email I use PGP in Thunderbird and if I want more security then I use PGP with my own self hosted email servers. I consider PGP real E2EE for the email body vs. servers that have pseudo E2EE by managing the certs using code they have control over. If I want true E2EE for the entire file or message contents then I use self hosted SFTP with encrypted headerless random ciper+hash loopback images.

    cryptsetup benchmark

Then I randomly pick one of the three slowest ciphers and hashes along with a 222 to 499 random character strings and use an obscure filesystem on top of it. Multiple of these can be nested each using a different cipher+hash+long pw. There are additional techniques that dork up commercial forensics tools.

I am not seeing the hacked page or bad certificate but your comment was from 18 hours ago as of the time of my comment so they must have resolved it. [1] I hope they release a detailed write-up on the incident.

[1] https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=porkbun.com&l...

tombert2• 1 year ago

I have to admit that I have never heard of Porkbun until right now, but I have been using Protonmail as my primary email since 2018 and I've been mostly happy with it. I think their Android app is terrible (or at least it was in 2023), but the iPhone app is fine and their web interface is fine too.

Regardless, I'm glad that they're getting enough recognition to be integrated with other services directly.

rafram• 1 year ago

Porkbun is a great registrar. Cheap, decent UI, no bullshit.

havaloc• 1 year ago

Agreed. They support ALIAS records in their DNS, which many registrars don't.

arcanemachiner• 1 year ago

Agreed. I'm switching all my domains over from NameSilo this year as they expire. Their shitty UI was one thing, but they jacked up their .com prices a lot, and I'm done with them.

sureIy2• 1 year ago

.com price looks decent too, only 62¢ higher than Cloudflare.

I've settled on Cloudflare + internetbs.net for the cheapest domains with no bs.

macrocosmos2• 1 year ago

I searched for an obscure domain on pork bun. It was open. The very next day it was bought and up for sale for a higher price on some marketplace they own. They’re the same as any other registrar.

krick2• 1 year ago

I am still kinda on the fence if I should move to Proton or not. I bought a subscription on a sale, but I basically don't use any paid features, because they all are sort of vendor lock-in, in a sense I cannot realistically stop paying if I use them, I can mostly do just fine without using them, and it doesn't sound like a real complaint except that "regular" price is just horribly expensive for what I get IMO. The main sales point, of course, is that unlike Google the don't (and allegedly can't) read your emails, but when a service this expensive cannot really compete with a free gmail account feature-wise, and you aren't involved in Al-Qaeda or anything, it makes you reconsider.

(And, BTW, if you are involved in Al-Qaeda, i.e. if you are really truly concerned about anyone reading your emails, it's not like you can just rely on Proton and relax. Both because your recipients likely don't use Proton, and also because the more serious you are about such concerns, the more emphasis is on that "allegedly" word. So I'm still not sure what I'm buying.)

tombert2• 1 year ago

I wanted to de-Google, and initially I was using Kolab Now for about two years, and that was terrible, so I was looking for something to replace it, and someone told me about Proton. I have custom domains mapped to it, so if they piss me off enough I could migrate to another service easily enough.

I like having slightly increased security, but I'm not delusional: if I were doing something that I was worried about the government seeing, I probably wouldn't trust any cloud service blindly.

I got in early enough to where they gave me a boatload of storage, a bit more than a terabyte, so that's kind of nice to have as a backup for my photos and the like.

BrouteMinou• 1 year ago

I've been using Proton for a long time and Porkbun for a year.

I am not sure what I can get from that. Do I have to cancel my proton to move everything to the PB plan? Can I link my accounts?

I guess I am bookmarking this post to remind me to look at this when I have time...

DaSHacka4• 1 year ago

Looks like it's just discounts on Proton's plans for Porkbun's customers.

Which is good enough for me, as a user of both I'll probably take this as an opportunity to finally upgrade my Proton plan.

If only the 'Lite' plan allowed infinite aliases on custom domains, I really wish it wasn't gated behind 'Pro'.

krick2• 1 year ago

What is the essence of this partnership? I never heard about porkbun, but I see it's a domain registrar, so I suppose the point is that now they offer a custom domain for your proton email... but it was always possible to attach a custom domain to proton email (if you pay for it, naturally). So, in what sense they are partnering? Like, it's now cheaper to do with porkbun + proton than porkbun + anything else, or proton + anything else? Basically, is it just some sort of meaningless marketing announcement, or is there more substance?

sureIy2• 1 year ago

It seems that it just allows easy addition of proton email to your domains, at a slightly better rate.

Looks just like an advertisement to me, I'd downvote it if I could.

rnewme2• 1 year ago

Looks like going for namecheap features but partnering with cool providers. Not sure why you would down vote, esp since 1/3 of frontpage here at any given moments is ads.

mattl• 1 year ago

I presume you can avoid having to use porkbun’s zone management stuff and they just make it work behind the scenes.

rnewme2• 1 year ago

Porkbun is a great domain register, and proton seems to be good in it's field. This is a cool and welcome colab for me

guyfromfargo• 1 year ago

I decided to try Porkbun last week, had a minor issue and opened up a support chat. Instantly I was connected with a guy named Richard who I could tell was a real person, who had deep knowledge of domains and DNS, and he was empowered to solve my issue. I was blown away. I haven’t had support like that in years.

richbell• 1 year ago

And will they ever support an easily-configured catch-all domain, like Namecheap?

ilrwbwrkhv• 1 year ago

I have used porkbun for all of my domains for a very very long time. They are absolutely top notch. just like bunny CDN.

curiousnerdyboy• 1 year ago

same here been using pork for almost 5 years now. Btw did you ever faced issue with redirection ?

wolfgangbabad• 1 year ago

They are Americans. No, thank you.

DaSHacka4• 1 year ago

I'm afraid I have some unfortunate news for you about this forum we're using.

IndoorPatio2• 1 year ago

Are you paying money for this forum?

dlenski2• 1 year ago

I used to work down the hall from Porkbun in a co-working space in Portland. They gave me a nice cozy hoodie for doing a bit of A/B testing for them.

Nice folks!

But how is this not just an ad?

whattidywhat• 1 year ago

Not trying to demean you or them but, most people get paid actual money for doing a day or more of work

dlenski2• 1 year ago

It was 15 minutes’ worth of work.

We were chatting about our different companies in the kitchenette, and I guess I mentioned some familiarity with DNS configuration.

A few days later, a guy from Porkbun knocked on our office door and asked if I had a few minutes. And I did!

crossroadsguy• 1 year ago

I have been quite happy with Porkbun. But I also was aware of Proton’s CEO and Proton the company’s vocal far right endorsements which didn’t matter much as I had written Proton off multiple times even before that for various reasons. Now, I am really not sure how to react to this Proton+Porkbun relationship thingie.

What are alternatives to Porkbun in cost and UX simplicity?

gausswho• 1 year ago

Don't let manufactured controversy give you analysis paralysis. These endorsements you speak of were a branding identity cock-up, nothing more. The leadership of most businesdes are covertly supportive of oligarchal stooges of any color. It just doesn't usually escape the filter.

mrbonner• 1 year ago

Speaking of email hosting option, I think I am paying too much ($8/month) for the Google business suite with a custom domain. Is there any alternative out there that is cheaper?

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