Elon Musk's terrifying vision for AI

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/elon-musks-terrifying-vision-for

by TheAlchemist • 1 year ago

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Grok promoting X as a space of unvarnished truth reminds one of the famous 2011 dril tweet.

fuck "jokes". everything i tweet is real. raw insight without the horse shit. no, i will NOT follow trolls. twitter dot com. i live for this

moralestapia2• 1 year ago

I mean you can build your own model or use any of the others out there ...

Steven420• 1 year ago

You cannot build your own model. AI models these days take Elon musk amounts of money which is why he has one and you and I don't

moralestapia2• 1 year ago

Sure, pal. Elon's model is the only one out there.

Weakest argument ever, lmao.

dgfitz• 1 year ago

In short LLMs can influence people’s attitudes; people may not even know they have been influenced; and if you warn them, they can still be affected.

Sounds like tiktok

giuseppe_petri• 1 year ago

Sounds like tiktok

And 24 hour news TV, and newspapers... magazines... Steve in accounts... Any person that is easily lead, will be influenced regardless of the source.

sva_• 1 year ago

Grok 3 is designed to be a nuclear propaganda weapon, and Musk is proud of it.

Any proof other than speculating based on that one screenshot?

How can Gary Marcus know what it is designed for, if it isn't even out yet?

rl3• 1 year ago

[original point drowned out by needless pedantry]

https://thehardtimes.net/blog/why-i-quit-my-job-and-left-my-...

sealeck2• 1 year ago

Machines are starting to "think" in the same way that ELIZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) is a good conversationalist; it's a mirage.

rvz• 1 year ago

This is actually an emerging scam. Those pushing the idea that these AI systems are "thinking" always have something to sell you to believe the lie.

The reality is, they generate as much plausible-looking responses to the untrained eye, only for any domain expert to verify that it produced nonsense (with the wrong citations).

Again, the ones spreading the AI hype are giving vacuous predictions of a utopian future with UBI, no more humans working which is being repeated by those fully invested in the AI race when the reality is the exact opposite and will try to use it as an excuse to displace your job.

It is a giant scam that is being allowed to happen, Why?

Because they are directly invested in it; including Elon, Sam and all the private investors you already know about who won't say the truth.

biophysboy3• 1 year ago

If A and B generate an essay, and A produces it through thinking, that does not mean that B did the same.

h0l0cube6• 1 year ago

What I don't hear in discussions about this, is in what manner human 'thinking' is distinguished from AI 'thinking'. A lot of people hold the prejudice that both 'thinking' and 'consciousness' are substrate dependent, without a lick of evidence. If the hard problem of consciousness is unsolvable, it would make sense to err towards, at least, 'We don't know if it is', but ethically it would be responsible to err towards 'It is', and in reality 'It could be'—assuming the AI is observably intelligent in the same manner as other life we deem intelligent.

WaltYoder• 1 year ago

Yeah, it's cringe, but if LLMs are as useless as Gary Marcus insists they are, why should we worry?

sealeck2• 1 year ago

Because spewing lots of propaganda at people very rapidly is unfortunately often quite effective.

layer8• 1 year ago

They are quite useful for “flooding the zone”.

adamredwoods• 1 year ago

History is written by the victors. Information will be controlled by the billionaires. What you need to know, or think you need to know, will be controlled. And why not? Google has been doing it for years. Hurst, Murdoch.

LLMs are biased. I would debate that it is difficult NOT to have an unbiased LLM, unless your LLM only gives answers to pure logic questions, and deliberately does not answer any questions that have a dependency on an individual's perspective (ie. Why are tariffs good? Why are tariffs bad?).

X is completely biased, no consensus-based fact checking. Of course the owner will sell it as "truth" when it is mostly the exact opposite. Truth can be forced out, by liars who talk louder, or by controlling the faucet from which information flows.

spiderfarmer2• 1 year ago

If you look at Yuri Bezmenov’s ideological subversion framework (demoralization, destabilization, crisis, normalization), Musk’s actions unintentionally fit the pattern. He constantly undermines trust in institutions (demoralization), creates chaos in media and finance (destabilization), fuels constant controversy (crisis), and normalizes the idea that disruption = leadership. Whether he’s doing this deliberately or just having fun trolling is debatable, but the effect is similar.

spiderfarmer2• 1 year ago

Does Elon even have a vision for the future, or is he just obsessed with the engagement metrics for his next tweet? His posts nowadays feel like a carefully balanced science experiment — one part rage bait for people who believe in decency, one part dopamine drip for his loyal fanbase who think being a contrarian will increase your chances of becoming a billionaire.

oskarkk• 1 year ago

While I agree that AI talking like that is totally unacceptable, isn't that example of Grok's stupidity at the end kinda useless as an example? Mixing text with images and logic is one thing that (all?) current image generation models are very bad at. I asked ChatGPT to generate the same thing ("create an image of five different basic geometric shapes and label each one"), and it made essentially the same errors as Grok.

https://chatgpt.com/share/67b2a77b-adf4-8009-8b91-99321c6dad...

waltercool2• 1 year ago

AI is not intended to be used unattended.

It will get better over time, but it will never be perfect using the current paradigm (RNG and tensors)

waltercool2• 1 year ago

This article was written by a technological conservative for sure.

Just like Ted Kaczynski mistake, technology is there and nothing you or me can do to prevent anything.

I feel this is a right move overall.

Companies who use AI for customer support are really idiots, anyone can jailbreak AI and force them to give you absurd deals. I'm more than happy to see those lazy business go broke

eesmith• 1 year ago

"nothing you or me can do to prevent anything"

I'm glad the negotiators for CFC reduction didn't listen to that advice.

I'm glad the activists who got us off leaded gas didn't listen to that advice.

hollerith• 1 year ago

"But tech-NOL-ogy!"

globalnode• 1 year ago

This is all easily solvable. Just stop talking about him and stop using X'odus. Power's in your hands.

tim3332• 1 year ago

As probably the 2nd most powerful guy in the US who's currently busy getting everyone's info and firing thousands, ignoring him may not work that well.

Even in the UK he's had a go at getting rid of our PM and putting Tommy Robinson of all people in charge. ('Tommy' is an anti Islam petty criminal).

rsynnott• 1 year ago

I mean, it's terrifying _if anyone actually uses this thing_. It's not particularly clear why anyone would, though.

tim3332• 1 year ago

"Smartest AI on Earth" according to the ever reliable top ranked Path of Exile 2 player.

spwa4• 1 year ago

Musk probably uses it to push his political propaganda.

sreid99• 1 year ago

If Musk buys OpenAI, one worrying use could also be for, likely effective, far-right AI propaganda bots on X / Twitter.

Elon Musk's terrifying vision for AI

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